• Thunderf00t vs Anita Sarkeesian (women as background decoration)
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[QUOTE=Ownederd;45305425]like i just said, you're parroting the same thing over and over. i'll be surprised if anyone takes you seriously[/QUOTE] Why are you posting? [QUOTE=Fayez;45305445]Are you related to Shreddinger or something? Dear lord.[/QUOTE] Again, I don't know who that is, and I don't care, your attempts to dismiss me by claiming I'm some other guy you hate points again to the lack of substance behind your opposition. [QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45305448]I actually don't like SJW's at all, but I know the difference between someone who spends too much time infront of a PC and who actualy goes OUTSIDE and interacts with society. Thunderf00t reminds me of people I know, who never go outside and meet society which thinks anyone rationally. They think tumblr and twitter represents the world, which it doesn't. If people thought how thunderf00t projected no women would work in the world, everyone would be a zombie eating mcdonalds, and weigh 800 pounds.[/QUOTE] Again, is that really all you have? He looks like a basement dweller? Not handsome enough? Only losers go after feminism and irrationality? Sorry? Ask yourself why this attitude exists. Why this white knight attitude that these women and these topics are off limits. While other women like sarah palin...gone after rabidly by the left, just fine, you don't get the same accusations that anyone that goes after sarah palin needs to go "outside". The fact is this, stupid doesn't go away if you ignore it, he has said it himself. Sarkeesian continues to be recognized as credible in main stream, even accepts ambassador awards from the industry, so its a problem which has to be dealt with, and frankly I'm happy someone is publically calling her on her bullshit. Go outside? He has a phd, what do you have? He isn't attacking the world, or claiming tumblr is the world, sorry you have it entirely backwards. His opposition makes that argument. Sarkeesian claims that games are the world, aka you murder in games, you murder in real life, you mug a woman in a game, you are sexist in real life. Its exactly thunderf00ts argument that such reasoning is bullshit. You couldn't have it more backwards. Its always his enemies that take some isolated incident or some element of culture and claim that it changes or influences everyone in the real world, or everyone is guilty. Look at feminists and Elliot rogers, for a while there they were basically smearing all men as some how related or indirectly responsible for that guys actions, when he was just plain insane from all accounts. That was a guy who cried over the fact that his parents bought his sister a puppy, and would drive across state lines to play the lottery, which he thought he was entitled to win, but based on feminist accusations, it was all about women, and every man was in some way responsible for his behavior. Again, you have it entirely backwards.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45305448]I actually don't like SJW's at all, but I know the difference between someone who spends too much time infront of a PC and who actualy goes OUTSIDE and interacts with society. Thunderf00t reminds me of people I know, who never go outside and meet society which thinks anyone rationally. They think tumblr and twitter represents the world, which it doesn't.[/QUOTE] And they view themselves as enlightened intellectuals that know everything
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45305524]And they view themselves as enlightened intellectuals that know everything[/QUOTE] Sounds like many people I know.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45305515]stuff[/QUOTE] read v [QUOTE=Devodiere;45305483]You know how people complain about these SJWs for being dismissive, holier-than-thou and having a firm belief in intangible things like moral superiority? You're doing the same thing, except substituting in truth and logic as if such a thing as perfect truth exists. It makes you look like a massive tool and you're hurting the cause a lot more than helping.[/QUOTE] your armchair pseudo-intelluctalism is delicious because you're acting like a high and mighty authority on the subject
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[QUOTE=cumizon;45305515] Again, is that really all you have? He looks like a basement dweller? Not handsome enough? Only losers go after feminism and irrationality? Sorry? Ask yourself why this attitude exists. Why this white knight attitude that these women and these topics are off limits. While other women like sarah palin...gone after rabidly by the left, just fine, you don't get the same accusations that anyone that goes after sarah palin needs to go "outside". The fact is this, stupid doesn't go away if you ignore it, he has said it himself. Sarkeesian continues to be recognized as credible in main stream, even accepts ambassador awards from the industry, so its a problem which has to be dealt with, and frankly I'm happy someone is publically calling her on her bullshit. Go outside? He has a phd, what do you have? He isn't attacking the world, or claiming tumblr is the world, sorry you have it entirely backwards. His opposition makes that argument. Sarkeesian claims that games are the world, aka you murder in games, you murder in real life, you mug a woman in a game, you are sexist in real life. Its exactly thunderf00ts argument that such reasoning is bullshit.[/QUOTE] I never said anything about what he looks like... so no idea where you got that from, just saying the internet is not an accurate representation of what society is. Actually, stupid goes away if you ignore it because stupid stops getting attention and wisens up and goes away rather quickly. Again no one is publicaly doing anything this is someone talking in front of their computer about how they think things work, it's cool you have an opinion on how society works, and all but if you have a counterpoint please realize the difference from tumblrites/internet and real life are two completely different things.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45305555] Actually, stupid goes away if you ignore it because stupid stops getting attention and wisens up and goes away rather quickly.[/quote] Thunderf00t actually made a video about this stating that stupid doesn't stop and go away because the masses are ill-informed and are easily swayed, and it is the job of the informed to inform the uninformed.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;45305483]You know how people complain about these SJWs for being dismissive, holier-than-thou and having a firm belief in intangible things like moral superiority? You're doing the same thing, except substituting in truth and logic as if such a thing as perfect truth exists. It makes you look like a massive tool and you're hurting the cause a lot more than helping.[/QUOTE] Relativism in everything is a cowards position. Truth exists, and when thunderf00t points out the fact that people like sarkeesian lack all credibility, its truth based on their own actions. Thunderf00t didn't make that woman lie about her status as a gamer, he didn't tell her to mislead or omit or just get facts wrong in her videos. The fact that she has been dishonest is an objective truth. Theres no worming around it claiming that its "arrogant" to claim such things, sometimes people are wrong. This isn't a philosophical argument about what happens after death, but objective things which can be verified. You don't get to claim there is no truth.
[QUOTE=Fayez;45305445]Are you related to Shreddinger or something? Dear lord.[/QUOTE] they're multiplying
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1315533&highlight=[/url] oh snap this dude seriously made a davis mjwhatever thread, aka if you don't know who he is basically he's a massive red piller that identifies as a reactionary
[QUOTE=No_0ne;45305578]they're multiplying[/QUOTE] He started a revolution that will not end.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45305582][URL]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1315533&highlight=[/URL] oh snap this dude seriously made a davis mjwhatever thread, aka if you don't know who he is basically he's a massive red piller that identifies as a reactionary[/QUOTE] This guy is pretty cool when he is smoking a bowl.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45305574]hunderf00t didn't make that woman lie about her status as a gamer, he didn't tell her to mislead or omit or just get facts wrong in her videos. The fact that she has been dishonest is an objective truth. Theres no worming around it claiming that its "arrogant" to claim such things, sometimes people are wrong. [/QUOTE] Oh wow a stupid person is stupid, huh maybe stop giving them attention and they will go away. Besides, a gamer is such a lose term that anyone who plays angry birds is a gamer. Yes sometimes people are wrong, and sometimes people are so self righteous they forget that they are becoming as bad as the people they are objectifying to. [quote]This isn't a philosophical argument about what happens after death, but objective things which can be verified. You don't get to claim there is no truth.[/quote] [B][U]philosophy is relative[/U][/B]... Holy shit this is like highschool level understanding of how the world works. Are you really this dumb, philosophy is not based off truth, it's based off ideology of society and individuals.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45305555]I never said anything about what he looks like... so no idea where you got that from, just saying the internet is not an accurate representation of what society is. Actually, stupid goes away if you ignore it because stupid stops getting attention and wisens up and goes away rather quickly. Again no one is publicaly doing anything this is someone talking in front of their computer about how they think things work, it's cool you have an opinion on how society works, and all but if you have a counterpoint please realize the difference from tumblrites/internet and real life are two completely different things.[/QUOTE] If stupid went away by ignoring it, there would be no republican party, there would be no fox news, there would no putin in Russia, there would be no social justice warriors...etc Fact is we have people blowing themselves up somewhere in the world every other day, stupid doesn't go away if you ignore it, ignorance spreads like a cancer if not dealt with. If people had not started a campaign against jenny McCarthy's anti vaccination campaign, she would have caused far more damage than she did, she already has influenced countless parents whether you like it or not. And of course there is religion, it most certainly doesn't go away if you ignore it, if atheists in a country don't stand up, it takes over, it self reinforces, and it stifles opposition when it gets strong enough. You think scientists/teachers and all good thinking people in texas should have just ignored the fact that creationists were trying to change the school books? You think ignoring such things makes it better? If ignoring stupid worked, everyone should just stop voting;) "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" remember that quote? They don't need to publically do anything. This isn't occupy wallstreet, this is just a matter of chipping away at her credibility until at some point the main stream stops taking her seriously. That kind of thing can happen online, it just takes time.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45305612]If stupid went away by ignoring it, there would be no republican party, there would be no fox news, there would no putin in Russia, there would be no social justice warriors...etc Fact is we have people blowing themselves up somewhere in the world every other day, stupid doesn't go away if you ignore it, ignorance spreads like a cancer if not dealt with. If people had not started a campaign against jenny McCarthy's anti vaccination campaign, she would have caused far more damage than she did, she already has influenced countless parents whether you like it or not. And of course there is religion, it most certainly doesn't go away if you ignore it, if atheists in a country don't stand up, it takes over, it self reinforces, and it stifles opposition when it gets strong enough. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" remember that quote? They don't need to publically do anything. This isn't occupy wallstreet, this is just a matter of chipping away at her credibility until at some point the main stream stops taking her seriously. That kind of thing can happen online, it just takes time.[/QUOTE] lol did you just seriously compare 'sjws' to stuff like religion or far right people
[QUOTE=cumizon;45305612]If stupid went away by ignoring it, there would be no republican party, there would be no fox news, there would no putin in Russia, there would be no social justice warriors...etc [/QUOTE] I guess I should do what I suggested and "ignore the stupid". [QUOTE=Ownederd;45305624]lol did you just seriously compare 'sjws' to stuff like religion or far right people[/QUOTE] You don't understand I read on the internet how some idiot was being stupid! They were the republican party, so the democratic party is impervious to flaws! You think idiots exist on both sides? PFFFT the internet disagrees with you, and you should understand thinking my way is the right way.
[QUOTE=BlueAndGray;45305549]can we cut it out with the feminism bullcrap already and just say that everybody should be treated equally regardless of sex, sexual orientation, religion, or race?[/QUOTE] everyone wants that but it doesn't work that way, because some minorities need more help in comparison to others. like, go back in time to 1920 in the US and say that. "just treat the women and the not-white people the same as us!" would you really expect the general populace to just do that immediately with no retaliation? the world's gotten much better as of late, but it's still not that easy and it probably won't be until after we're long dead.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45305574]Relativism in everything is a cowards position. Truth exists, and when thunderf00t points out the fact that people like sarkeesian lack all credibility, its truth based on their own actions. Thunderf00t didn't make that woman lie about her status as a gamer, he didn't tell her to mislead or omit or just get facts wrong in her videos. The fact that she has been dishonest is an objective truth. Theres no worming around it claiming that its "arrogant" to claim such things, sometimes people are wrong. This isn't a philosophical argument about what happens after death, but objective things which can be verified. You don't get to claim there is no truth.[/QUOTE] This is closer to asking the meaning of life, because there is no objective truth, only differing opinions on ideals and claiming your own ideals as absolute truth is incredibly pretentious. But really, if you knew anything you'd see that attacking someone's credibility is the definition of an ad hominem and her status as a gamer is irrelevant to near everything. For someone who complains about Anita misleading, there's a lot of unnecessary attacks on her rather than picking apart her incredibly weak arguments. This is not the perfection of logic and any pretence to that is why people are criticising Thunderfoot and you rather than actually discussing any points made, you are actively hurting your own arguments.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45305582][url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1315533&highlight=[/url] oh snap this dude seriously made a davis mjwhatever thread, aka if you don't know who he is basically he's a massive red piller that identifies as a reactionary[/QUOTE] oh my god that video of reddit kane from c&c is hilarious, because his entire argument is "abloo bloo these women here got mad, they're all fat and ugly, videogames are for boys and NOT girls"
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45305624]lol did you just seriously compare 'sjws' to stuff like religion or far right people[/QUOTE] The dishonesty, the inability to reason or accept facts are shared traits between social justice warriors and religion and the far right. When a social justice warrior gets all hysterical about some personal pronouns and starts trying to shame everyone else or extract apologies, whats different about that from republicans who try to smack democrats over the head with something they don't really genuinely care about like Benghazi. Its all the same corrupt game. Both groups are just prone to citing information which is inaccurate no matter how many times its pointed out that its wrong as well. Its a total immunity to facts and reason. Why do you think fox and friends always portrays themselves as the victims fighting against the "left wing media" which is always supposedly attacking them. When you claim victimhood you are no longer accountable to facts or reason, no different than with feminists/sjw types who constantly claim victimhood for the same purpose.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45305574]... Thunderf00t didn't make that woman lie about her status as a gamer ...[/QUOTE] Please enlighten me as to what makes somebody a "girl gamer", and how it differs from a "male gamer".
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;45305664]Please enlighten me as to what makes somebody a "girl gamer", and how it differs from a "male gamer".[/QUOTE] Well for one, unless they've played +20hrs of games a week for the past 4 years then they aren't a gamer... Source: me
[QUOTE=cumizon;45305661]The dishonesty, the inability to reason or accept facts are shared traits between social justice warriors and religion and the far right. When a social justice warrior gets all hysterical about some personal pronounce and starts trying to shame everyone else or extract apologies, whats different about that from republicans who try to smack democrats over the head with something they don't really genuinely care about like Benghazi. Its all the same corrupt game. Both groups are just prone to citing information which is inaccurate no matter how many times its pointed out that its wrong as well. Its a total immunity to facts and reason. Why do you think fox and friends always portrays themselves as the victims fighting against the "left wing media" which is always supposedly attacking them. When you claim victimhood you are no longer accountable to facts or reason, no different than with feminists/sjw types who constantly claim victimhood for the same purpose.[/QUOTE] you're acting like your opinion is somehow automatically representative of everyone
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;45305664]Please enlighten me as to what makes somebody a "girl gamer", and how it differs from a "male gamer".[/QUOTE] I'm not sure exactly why you say that. No one is claiming a difference between the two. Only that she based her credibility on a lie. People use their status as part of a group to bolster their opinion. Like if someone said "as a long time starwars fan I found the prequels disappointing". Its not an argument in itself but it implies they have knowledge and experience with the subject to base their opinion on. And to like about something like that just undermines someones credibility by default, it shows them to be deceptive people who can't be trusted, this combined with the rest of her dishonesty is what destroys her credibility. Its a component, its not what everything rests on. She portrayed herself as a gamer to con people out of money. She was caught lying, and the proof in her own words [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqJCCnued6c[/media] a video confession, what more do you want. [editline]6th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Ownederd;45305692]you're acting like your opinion is somehow automatically representative of everyone[/QUOTE] My opinion has nothing to do with the fact that sjw, religion, and fox news all share the same traits of irrationality and intellectual dishonesty.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45305693]stuff[/QUOTE] internetaristocrat knows that his average audience is mostly composed of bitter 16 year old boys that takes in easily digestible and lazy information and how do those darn sjws share the same traits with those others? are they like robots with one central mind or something?
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45305582][url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1315533&highlight=[/url] oh snap this dude seriously made a davis mjwhatever thread, aka if you don't know who he is basically he's a massive red piller that identifies as a reactionary[/QUOTE] Again, what does he say that is objectionable in that video? He points out the basic problems which feminists who constantly scream about that issue can't deal with. I don't agree with many other things he says in other videos but again, you need to either point out where he is wrong, or simply acknowledge you are going after him based on ah hominem and nothing else. Why are there more male protagonists. Its a good question. Just as its a good question to ask even women why they would find it wrong if the film Titanic had the roles reversed, if Rose sacrifices for Jack at the end of titanic, do you think women would be alright with that? Would men? Ask yourself why, and if you can. Because the idea of feminists complaint about such things is that men and women are interchangeable, thus blind equality/50/50 must exist, otherwise its sexism.... Anyways his "why the modern alien movies suck" is basically part 2 of that video [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etZRsZP64Xg"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etZRsZP64Xg[/URL] [QUOTE=Devodiere;45305656]This is closer to asking the meaning of life, because there is no objective truth, only differing opinions on ideals and claiming your own ideals as absolute truth is incredibly pretentious. But really, if you knew anything you'd see that attacking someone's credibility is the definition of an ad hominem and her status as a gamer is irrelevant to near everything. For someone who complains about Anita misleading, there's a lot of unnecessary attacks on her rather than picking apart her incredibly weak arguments. This is not the perfection of logic and any pretence to that is why people are criticising Thunderfoot and you rather than actually discussing any points made, you are actively hurting your own arguments.[/QUOTE] Its not her status, its the fact that she lied about it, her deliberate attempt to mislead was intentional, and points to her lack of integrity. Sure, you can lie about being a Vietnam war vet to bolster you anti war views, it doesn't mean your views are invalid, but it points to your lack of integrity that you would stoop that low. And that is a misconception, there aren't a lot of unnecessary attacks on her. There are a lot of unnecessary claims of victimhood on her part, and on behalf on her which aren't genuine. Like when fox news claims its always under attack from the left wing media, its not genuine, its a tactic.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45305741]Again, what does he say that is objectionable in that video? He points out the basic problems which feminists who constantly scream about that issue can't deal with. I don't agree with many other things he says in other videos but again, you need to either point out where he is wrong, or simply acknowledge you are going after him based on ah hominem and nothing else. Why are there more male protagonists. Its a good question. Just as its a good question to ask even women why they would find it wrong if the film Titanic had the roles reversed, if Rose sacrifices for Jack at the end of titanic, do you think women would be alright with that? Would men? Ask yourself why, and if you can. Because the idea of feminists complaint about such things is that men and women are interchangeable, thus blind equality/50/50 must exist, otherwise its sexism....[/QUOTE] basically that dude has little to no cultural understanding outside of the western world and he's spouting the same old biotruth crap that's been stated and refuted a billion times.
Honestly I think thunderf00t should just stick to scientific videos; feminism, religion and politics are just too controversial and it always attracts a shitstorm.
[QUOTE=mecaguy03;45305762][B]Honestly I think thunderf00t should just stick to scientific videos[/B]; feminism, religion and politics are just too controversial and it always attracts a shitstorm.[/QUOTE] that's the only thing he's actually qualified to do. he can't do a video about social commentary for the life of him
[QUOTE=mecaguy03;45305762]Honestly I think thunderf00t should just stick to scientific videos; feminism, religion and politics are just too controversial and it always attracts a shitstorm.[/QUOTE] I'd love it if he did nothing but bash solar roadways and thorium vehicles all day.
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