• Thunderf00t vs Anita Sarkeesian (women as background decoration)
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[QUOTE=Ownederd;45305729]internetaristocrat knows that his average audience is mostly composed of bitter 16 year old boys that takes in easily digestible and lazy information and how do those darn sjws share the same traits with those others? are they like robots with one central mind or something?[/QUOTE] internetaristocrat doesn't objectify a whole movement and generalize a large portion of society. He goes after tumblr idiots and makes it clear in his video he is debunking the tumblr/internet crowd. His videos make it very clear his is targeting a small but very loud crowd. Thunderf00t however, just addresses everyone in a blanket selfrighteous statement on how his opinions are fact, and no improvements of fixes can be done to the cause.
[QUOTE=mecaguy03;45305762]Honestly I think thunderf00t should just stick to scientific videos; feminism, religion and politics are just too controversial and it always attracts a shitstorm.[/QUOTE] shitstorms are what gets him views
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45305750]basically that dude has little to no cultural understanding outside of the western world and he's spouting the same old biotruth crap that's been stated and refuted a billion times.[/QUOTE] Calling things "biotruth crap" isn't much of an argument. So you are telling me the only reason even women would find discomfort at the fact of Rose in Titanic drowning to let Jack live is because they are "tricked" by patriarchy right? You must think the only reason women like taller guys is because they've been brainwashed. So the only reason they don't want to marry the prince they have to rescue is because of that...patriarchal brainwashing... Just flip it around for a second. Why are people like you oblivious to the thousands of faceless men you shoot down in games, but you bend over backwards to defend people who get upset when a few women are abused in games. Why is a womans life worth that much more than a mans? Whether you know it or not your sides sjw campaigns against whatever are based on the same "biotruth crap" you can't acknowledge.
[QUOTE=seano12;45305768]I'd love it if he did nothing but bash solar roadways and thorium vehicles all day.[/QUOTE] Topics that are associated with engineering are generally much more concrete than politics and other societal issues, and if he can prove that something is making false claims or is a bad idea, I think it would make for a better channel.
[QUOTE=mecaguy03;45305762]Honestly I think thunderf00t should just stick to scientific videos; feminism, religion and politics are just too controversial and it always attracts a shitstorm.[/QUOTE] I like his religion videos when he's picking apart scientifically impossible things like a hovering ice shield over the earth. I don't think there is a single video on social justice by anyone that hasn't been completely controversial. Put anyone into the position of discussing their opinion on it in an open forum and they are going to look like an ass to someone. Also his science videos are rad. [video=youtube;IaQI21LwueM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaQI21LwueM[/video]
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45305769]internetaristocrat doesn't objectify a whole movement and generalize a large portion of society. He goes after tumblr idiots and makes it clear in his video he is debunking the tumblr/internet crowd. His videos make it very clear his is targeting a small but very loud crowd. Thunderf00t however, just addresses everyone in a blanket selfrighteous statement on how his opinions are fact, and no improvements of fixes can be done to the cause.[/QUOTE] The feminists and anita supports/sjw are not "everyone". No "fixes" are necessary, they just need to go away. Its like saying that someone arguing against creationism needs to help fix creationism, no to fix creationism it needs to cease to exist.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45305793]Calling things "biotruth crap" isn't much of an argument. So you are telling me the only reason even women would find discomfort at the fact of Rose in Titanic drowning to let Jack live is because they are "tricked" by patriarchy right? You must think the only reason women like taller guys is because they've been brainwashed. So the only reason they don't want to marry the prince they have to rescue is because of that...patriarchal brainwashing... Just flip it around for a second. Why are people like you oblivious to the thousands of faceless men you shoot down in games, but you bend over backwards to defend people who get upset when a few women are abused in games. Why is a womans life worth that much more than a mans? Whether you know it or not your sides sjw campaigns against whatever are based on the same "biotruth crap" you can't acknowledge.[/QUOTE] oh dear here we go with the "what about me?!" stuff. no one in this thread has suggested, even for a second, that men should be treated like second class citizens
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45305807]oh dear here we go with the "what about me?!" stuff. no one in this thread has suggested, even for a second, that men should be treated like second class citizens[/QUOTE] Oh dear what? You don't want to actually deal with what was brought up so you divert on a tangent? Men ARE second class citizens in games if you go by their logic and just look at who we are willing to shoot and kill without any concern, and numbering in the thousands. Fact is these people aren't asking for the number of mooks in games to be gender equalized. I mean wouldn't it be fair to shoot more women? Throw in a few gay people, transgenders too? You know, just to be "fair". Why this discomforts people who claim to be all about fairness, just not going to think about it....
[QUOTE=cumizon;45305820]Oh dear what? You don't want to actually deal with what was brought up so you divert on a tangent? Men ARE second class citizens in games if you go by their logic and just look at who we are willing to shoot and kill without any concern, and numbering in the thousands. Fact is these people aren't asking for the number of mooks in games to be gender equalized. I mean wouldn't it be fair to shoot more women? Throw in a few gay people, transgenders too? You know, just to be "fair". Why this discomforts people who claim to be all about fairness, just not going to think about it....[/QUOTE] I'm not gonna get involved in this beyond saying that "transgender" can't be used as a noun, buddy.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45305820]Oh dear what? You don't want to actually deal with what was brought up so you divert on a tangent? Men ARE second class citizens in games if you go by their logic and just look at who we are willing to shoot and kill without any concern, and numbering in the thousands. Fact is these people aren't asking for the number of mooks in games to be gender equalized. I mean wouldn't it be fair to shoot more women? Throw in a few gay people, transgenders too? You know, just to be "fair". Why this discomforts people who claim to be all about fairness, just not going to think about it....[/QUOTE] i don't care about men being killed in computer games because i don't have an existential crisis when i shoot someone in the face with an shotgun in game with white male protagonist with stubble 2 [B]edit:[/B] oh shit someone made an gimmick account of me. i'm dying lmfao [URL]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1407050[/URL]
okay i have so many things to say about thunderf00t so i'll make one post right here instead of digging up all of my old ones. watch the first minute or so of this video [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWxAljFlb-c[/media] he starts off by going "how long does it take for FEMINISTS to poison everything? *freeze frame during mid-face contraction, making the lady in the video look ugly.* then she goes on to say something about male atheists balls shriveling up and turning into a mangina, then TF goes "WOW... LOOK AT HOW TOXIC SHE IS... [I]GENERALIZING ALL OF MALE ATHEISTS.[/I] brb having a tantrum for half an hour about how THEY do it too and how THEY should stop instead of me just ignoring terrible arguments like hers and making a video that isn't a sensationalist heap of shit" he's a fucking petulant child that learned how to edit in premiere and type a script on word. the only way he knows how to convey his opinion is by insulting people, responding to inevitable insults with MORE insults, to the point where he consistently and OBSESSIVELY uses the same screencap of the same ladies in all of his disgusting reactionary thumbnails, and runs all of his video titles through a machine that creates the most yellow journalist bullshit ever. if he was as half as smart as he thought he was he'd realize that nobody will give a shit about his arguments unless he drops this angry and toxic attitude.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45305741]Its not her status, its the fact that she lied about it, her deliberate attempt to mislead was intentional, and points to her lack of integrity. Sure, you can lie about being a Vietnam war vet to bolster you anti war views, it doesn't mean your views are invalid, but it points to your lack of integrity that you would stoop that low. And that is a misconception, there aren't a lot of unnecessary attacks on her. There are a lot of unnecessary claims of victimhood on her part, and on behalf on her which aren't genuine. Like when fox news claims its always under attack from the left wing media, its not genuine, its a tactic.[/QUOTE] Again, completely irrelevant because she isn't making arguments based on her credibility as a gamer or whatever, and her arguments are what you should be focussing on. I agree that she's done a lot of stupid shit and her views on it are generally misleading, but you do not argue personal attack bullshit with personal attack bullshit lest you become just as obnoxious. You aren't going to convince anyone by going down the same partisan path and this dismissive attitude towards everyone who disagrees is just going to result in your own arguments being dismissed back.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45305854]i don't care about men being killed in computer games because i don't have an existential crisis when i shoot someone in the face with an shotgun in game with white male protagonist with stubble 2 [B]edit:[/B] oh shit [B]someone[/B] made an gimmick account of me. i'm dying lmfao [URL]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1407050[/URL][/QUOTE] Yeah, [I]someone.[/I] You do realize that doing things like this only makes you look like an absolute tool and leads to you being banned? Oh shit, I didn't mean to imply that it was you that made the gimmick account, I was referring to Cumizon.
[QUOTE=Fayez;45306065]Yeah, [I]someone.[/I] You do realize that doing things like this only makes you look like an absolute tool and leads to you being banned? Oh shit, I didn't mean to imply that it was you that made the gimmick account, I was referring to Cumizon.[/QUOTE] it's chill. we make mistakes sometimes
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/wplShOh.png[/IMG] [QUOTE]Clip from creationist video: "You know there was a time in society when scientists actually concurred with Scripture..." Thunderf00t: [I](cuts to The Chart)[/I] "Yeah, that's right, fatsi. This time is known as the 'Dark Ages' when slave ownership and burning witches, as commanded by Scripture, was seen as a good thing. However, those of us who have stood in the light have little desire to let you lead us back into the darkness."[/QUOTE] Just here to remind you that Thunderf00t used The Chart in a serious, non mocking manner, and blames the "Dark Ages" (terrible term, don't ever use it) on Christianity.
Ahaha what a fucking idiot
[QUOTE=Devodiere;45305923]Again, completely irrelevant because she isn't making arguments based on her credibility as a gamer or whatever, and her arguments are what you should be focussing on. I agree that she's done a lot of stupid shit and her views on it are generally misleading, but you do not argue personal attack bullshit with personal attack bullshit lest you become just as obnoxious. You aren't going to convince anyone by going down the same partisan path and this dismissive attitude towards everyone who disagrees is just going to result in your own arguments being dismissed back.[/QUOTE] Again, why are your standards this low. Almost no where else in life do you see people defend this big a liar by claiming its not relevant. No one is claiming that is all the case against her hangs on, I already explained this. But like it or not credibility matters, or does it not apply because she's a woman? Its not a personal attack if its true, and if its exposing a lie she was exploiting for personal gain. Its entirely relevant because she deliberately did this to bolster her case, her credibility as a "gamer". What happened on here is not equivalent, the idiots who are slandering me by claiming I'm every sock puppet account that exists on face punch are just doing it to be vicious. I don't base my credibility or argument on being those other people or not being them, its entirely off topic and absurd. I get the feeling those people spend so much time on this forum they think they know everyone here personally, or they are just trolling, in any case it goes to show the claims of anita and her ilk that she's just being attacked because she is a woman on the internet is just wrong, you can be attacked by idiots over anything at all. Its not "partisan" when one side is wrong. Sorry but "intelligent design" isn't a rational compromise between science and creationism. She has been caught repeatedly being dishonest to a point where one must ask, why the special low standard for this person. [QUOTE=milkandcooki;45305894]okay i have so many things to say about thunderf00t so i'll make one post right here instead of digging up all of my old ones. watch the first minute or so of this video [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWxAljFlb-c[/media] he starts off by going "how long does it take for FEMINISTS to poison everything? *freeze frame during mid-face contraction, making the lady in the video look ugly.* then she goes on to say something about male atheists balls shriveling up and turning into a mangina, then TF goes "WOW... LOOK AT HOW TOXIC SHE IS... [I]GENERALIZING ALL OF MALE ATHEISTS.[/I] brb having a tantrum for half an hour about how THEY do it too and how THEY should stop instead of me just ignoring terrible arguments like hers and making a video that isn't a sensationalist heap of shit" he's a fucking petulant child that learned how to edit in premiere and type a script on word. the only way he knows how to convey his opinion is by insulting people, responding to inevitable insults with MORE insults, to the point where he consistently and OBSESSIVELY uses the same screencap of the same ladies in all of his disgusting reactionary thumbnails, and runs all of his video titles through a machine that creates the most yellow journalist bullshit ever. if he was as half as smart as he thought he was he'd realize that nobody will give a shit about his arguments unless he drops this angry and toxic attitude.[/QUOTE] If you had the maturity to actually watch the rest of the video before commenting on it, he has a point. When the women he goes after are throwing the first stone, you really don't have a right to claim he's being unfair, sure he's inflammatory, he doesn't pull his punches, but in the end he's right. Those women live on making accusations against people or groups which are unsupportable, they effectively slander innocent people, and if he uses one of their own tactics against them, well that's fine. He doesn't just insult people, he builds a legitimate case, and then he insults people, that's the difference. Its like pointing out how Sarah Palin's ""The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil." –-Sarah Palin" is misguided, and ending by just outright calling her stupid, because she is. Beyond that she's not just stupid, she's dangerous, because she was close to achieving power. So to call her stupid is frankly a very small thing indeed, and if you fixated on that to defend her, you'd be deliberately missing the point to make something of the inconsequential to ignore what is important. Anyways I notice that video actually dealt with sarkeesian, if you want to know the context of his slam against rebecca watson and co, she is covered in the other videos. Its been a while since I watched that one, but its clear you opened your mouth before getting past the first minute, he makes a level headed case against sarkeesian in that video, and no, he doesn't even call her stupid. So really, don't speak from ignorance when someone can just click the link you posted and watch for more than a minute and notice that you are wrong. I get the feeling you didn't watch the originally posted video either because there is no indication of a "toxic attitude". If you want to define "toxic" as "how dare you question anita" then yea sure, I guess thats like claiming the debunking what Sarah Palin says is "mean". Its what you resort to when you have no argument left. If you think this level of debates too low for you, well lets not go there because he didn't drag this down into the mud. Sarkeesian started this off at the lowest possible level by immediately just disregarding any notions of intellectual integrity, she misrepresents, omits and just straight out lies from her first video to the last. You might ask why don't people just call her on her nonsense and debate her face to face, point to point. Guess what, you can't, she makes sure you can't, and she's clever enough to know she shouldn't because she would be called for the clown she is. Suey Park...remember her? She made the mistake of getting interviewed by a guy who actually did his job and didn't let her off when she said something stupid, and thats when we got the "i won't enact the labor" answer, aka I don't need to defend myself answer, which just covers the fact that she' can't defend herself. Anita closes her comment section and stifles all debate for this very reason. By all academic and just rational standards she should have been disqualified from debate from the get go, but here she is, so don't pretend thunderf00t is the one dragging this through the mud. She put us there. Like it or not, the fact is by actually arguing from reason and fact he is the one raising the level of debate in this case, one which she doesn't answer because she has no answer. Instead she has damseled herself into not having to answer any of her critics, very convenient. Anyways more "level headed" type of criticisms of Sarkeesian and her methods and her lack of standards. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6gLmcS3-NI[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpFk5F-S_hI[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MQuEjiU2KQ[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwwFx-tz9TY[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlnr_B269VM[/media]
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45305648]everyone wants that but it doesn't work that way, because some minorities need more help in comparison to others. like, go back in time to 1920 in the US and say that. "just treat the women and the not-white people the same as us!" would you really expect the general populace to just do that immediately with no retaliation? the world's gotten much better as of late, but it's still not that easy and it probably won't be until after we're long dead.[/QUOTE] I agree with this, specific issues need to be targeted in order for progress to take place, although some people can complicate it by creating problems that aren't there.
ThundeF00t is a piece of shit, please stop posting him [video=youtube;voVpvKlntDM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voVpvKlntDM#t=1475[/video] (24:35)
angryjoe is kinda annoying sometimes but his response to the overblown and gross hate speech to anita is absolutely needed
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45307091]angryjoe is kinda annoying sometimes but his response to the overblown and gross hate speech to anita is absolutely needed[/QUOTE] Gotchya, disagreeing with feminists = hate speech. Going by that standard eating a hamburger is like the holocaust. Angry joe is just as dishonest at Anita Sarkeesian, which is a rather consistent attribute on your side. Its a long video but it contains the debunking of the lies of angry joe and his discussions and debate with the guy. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lzGQZBNd3Y[/media] You might consider why that is so. Your side of this argument has a blatant disregard for ethics, intellectual honesty is just not part of the picture. All you can do is whine that people are mean for pointing out your dishonesty. No argument, no standards for evidence then a play for victimhood so you don't have to acknowledge your empty hand. Yes, if you disagree with me...hate speech.....
[QUOTE=cumizon;45307125]Gotchya, disagreeing with feminists = hate speech. Going by that standard eating a hamburger is like the holocaust. Angry joe is just as dishonest at Anita Sarkeesian [/QUOTE] yeah sending death threats and wishing rape to anita is totally reasonable and nice also you cited a red pill video, now i can eat my shorts
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45307137]yeah sending death threats and wishing rape to anita is totally reasonable and nice[/QUOTE] Nice attempt to divert, I'm sure attempts to smear me as a sock puppet in this thread are totally reasonable and nice, therefore I win the argument by default, and your side are all trolls and should be banned regardless of whether you personally said it or not, you are the same as those people because I say so. If its good enough for anita, it should be good enough for anyone else. don't go there.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45307166]Nice attempt to divert, I'm sure attempts to smear me as a sock puppet in this thread are totally reasonable and nice, therefore I win the argument by default, and your side are all trolls and should be banned regardless of whether you personally said it or not, you are the same as those people because I say so. If its good enough for anita, it should be good enough for anyone else. don't go there.[/QUOTE] that's what impsnop literally cited at 24:35. i dunno what you think but it's never warranted to give someone abuse also there's no chance in hell i'm gonna waste my time w/ a red pill video considering that i'm not a male equivalent of a lesbian separatist nor am i a emotionally stunted weirdo who blames my problems with society on petty shit because that's what the red pill community is composed of
Remember this old girl poster from Shawshank Redemption? [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lA4pFWs.jpg[/IMG] (Raquel Welch, starring in "One Million Years, B.C.", a movie from 1965) That's the only poster I would hang on my walls.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45307125]Gotchya, disagreeing with feminists = hate speech. Going by that standard eating a hamburger is like the holocaust. [/QUOTE] Going by that standard, strawman comparisons make you look like a fucking idiot. Also hi shreddinger
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45307186]that's what impsnop literally cited at 24:35. i dunno what you think but it's never warranted to give someone abuse also there's no chance in hell i'm gonna waste my time w/ a red pill video considering that i'm not a male equivalent of a lesbian separatist nor am i a emotionally stunted weirdo who blames my problems with society on petty shit because that's what the red pill community is composed of[/QUOTE] It was an attempt to divert because its a stupid tactic and you know it is, trying to smear people by claiming they are related to or responsible some random internet commenter, and therefore argument invalid. Sorry no. Its no different than me pointing out the people who attacked me by claiming I was a sock puppet, and then just declaring that you and them are one and the same, therefore you are guilty, and you are wrong. Its a cheap tactic Anita Deliberately used to damsel herself for this very purpose, she deliberately timed, closed off comments and then opened comments just on that video for a short window just to gather the hate she needed. Its time to stop pretending these are genuine grievances. Its no different than when republicans and conservatives bring up their supposed grievance of Benghazi, and incident almost no one remembers the detail of, they bring it up not because of genuine grievance, but because like the comments you point at, its a tool that lets them become the bully. You don't have time to watch the red pill video because as always, the facts don't matter to you, and whether or not your side has any credibility doesn't matter to you. You just dig in your heels and fight regardless because you are right despite of the facts right? The fact that your side seems to be lead by people who have trouble telling the truth doesn't seem to be a problem...I wonder why that is huh? The lies angry joe told about that game, white knighting for anitas position are simply undeniable. That man has no credibility, so again, why is your side so dishonest if they have such a strong case?
Frankly, anytime Thunderfoot is brought up on Facepunch a certain group of people seem to go ballistic. I've never really seen any convincing arguments against him. Wait, perhaps I better re-phrase that. I never really see any convincing arguments against his arguments, I see plenty of arguments brought to bear on him personally e.g Go outside and look at the "real world". The irony of all this is that the people insisting that the posting of the Thunderfoot video is the source of the shitstorm, the only shitstorm I ever see in these threads is people who enter and immediately start bashing TF, completely ignoring the content of the video and any standard discussion that could be had about it.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45307253]It was an attempt to divert because its a stupid tactic and you know it is, trying to smear people by claiming they are related to or responsible some random internet commenter, and therefore argument invalid. Sorry no. Its no different than me pointing out the people who attacked me claiming I was a sock puppet and then just declaring that you and them are one and the same, therefore, you are guilty, and you are wrong. Its a cheap tactic Anita Deliberately used to damsel herself for this very purpose, she deliberately timed, closed off comments and then opened comments just on that video for a short window just to gather the hate she needed. Its time to stop pretending these are genuine grievances. Its no different than when republicans and conservatives bring up their supposed grievance of Benghazi, and incident almost no one remembers the detail of, they bring it up not because of genuine grievance, but because like the comments you point at, its a tool that lets them become the bully. You don't have time to watch the red pill video because as always, the facts don't matter to you, and whether or not your side has any credibility doesn't matter to you. You just dig in your heels and fight regardless because you are right despite of the facts right? The fact that your side seems to be lead by people who have trouble telling the truth doesn't seem to be a problem...I wonder why that is huh?[/QUOTE] fyi you removed a section of one of your replies that was about that gimmick account that you've (most likely) created, which is kinda suspicious. if this is the case then this is the most avant garde example of pot calling the kettle black i've seen
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45307272]fyi you removed a section of one of your replies that was about that gimmick account that you've (most likely) created. this is the case then this is the most avant garde example of pot calling the kettle black i've seen[/QUOTE] Again, you attempt to smear me, therefore you are wrong right? No, I don't need to create other accounts so just really stop it with that nonsense. I removed nothing. And again, thanks again for proving that nasty personal attacks don't happen just to women as claimed by feminists like anita. Again, since you white knighted to the rescue immediately the second the angry joe video came out, explain how redpillreview is wrong. Prove that he wasn't proven a liar.
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