Thunderf00t vs Anita Sarkeesian (women as background decoration)
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[QUOTE=Rika-chan;45310582]Jesus, how many alts does shredingger have[/QUOTE]
half of facepunch's population is shreddonger alts.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45310591]half of facepunch's population is shreddonger alts.[/QUOTE]
Spoiler: all the mods are shreddinger. Max got demodded because he wasn't
I'm Shreddinger IRL.
The guy with the massive fucking neck and shitty hair is my hero.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45310496]then why the fuck do people cite him on this forum for arguments if he's just doing it for hits[/QUOTE]
because they are not very smart
[QUOTE=ThatSprite;45310665]because they are not very smart[/QUOTE]
one thing i've noticed is that people are more likely to agree with your points, regardless of how toxic and terrible they are, as long as you're able to make a tightly edited video with lots of visual humor.
that's why people like TAA, TF, internetaristocrat, and like 30 others are even remotely popular even though all they're doing is crying about how much offended people offend them.
Shreddinger sux.
Also what's with the recent surge of hate alts?
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;45310582]Jesus, how many alts does shredingger have[/QUOTE]
Like 25. I'd say that 80% of the posts in this threads are coming from Shredingger. He really needs to stop arguing with himself.
[editline]6th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Limed00d;45310865]Shreddinger sux.[/QUOTE]
He's the hero Facepunch deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45310496]then why the fuck do people cite him on this forum for arguments if he's just doing it for hits[/QUOTE]
I think a point you're missing here is that, whether he makes money from the arguments or not, it doesn't have any bearing on the validity of the arguments he raises.
It seems quite a few people have grudges against TF for his extra-argument aspects. Okay, that's one thing. Extrapolating from these superficial (from an argumentative point of view) points to discount his actual arguments is another thing and that's what concerns me. I mean, at that point you're letting an abrasive personality get in the way of actual reasoned arguments - all seems rather by the wayside to me.
I mean, how much of this whole thread has been discussing the actual arguments made in the video and purely that? Almost - if not fully - non-existent. A fair majority spout presumptive tosh - only dumb people agree with him, referencing Reddit stereotypes etc.
Berate him for his personality features if you will, although it seems to mostly result in a shitstorm in every single thread.
I think it would be better if people just discussed the content of the video posted, rather than bringing up the creators attributes in every thread and that's not just for TF, I think that's a good rule of thumb in general.
The video is stupid and sexist
He is stupid and sexist
there I just discussed him and the video in one post.
[QUOTE=Inspector N;45310940]I think a point you're missing here is that, whether he makes money from the arguments or not, it doesn't have any bearing on the validity of the arguments he raises.
It seems quite a few people have grudges against TF for his extra-argument aspects. Okay, that's one thing. Extrapolating from these superficial (from an argumentative point of view) points to discount his actual arguments is another thing and that's what concerns me. I mean, at that point you're letting an abrasive personality get in the way of actual reasoned arguments - all seems rather by the wayside to me.
I mean, how much of this whole thread has been discussing the actual arguments made in the video and purely that? Almost - if not fully - non-existent. A fair majority spout presumptive tosh - only dumb people agree with him, referencing Reddit stereotypes etc.
Berate him for his personality features if you will, although it seems to mostly result in a shitstorm in every single thread.
I think it would be better if people just discussed the content of the video posted, rather than bringing up the creators attributes in every thread and that's not just for TF, I think that's a good rule of thumb in general.[/QUOTE]
thunderf00t is on par with tabloids newspapers that you find in convenience stores, that's about it. the fact that his content is just shallow yellow journalism has been stated over and over again. that shouldn't have to be restated so many times
[QUOTE=Inspector N;45310940]I think a point you're missing here is that, whether he makes money from the arguments or not, it doesn't have any bearing on the validity of the arguments he raises.
It seems quite a few people have grudges against TF for his extra-argument aspects. Okay, that's one thing. Extrapolating from these superficial (from an argumentative point of view) points to discount his actual arguments is another thing and that's what concerns me. I mean, at that point you're letting an abrasive personality get in the way of actual reasoned arguments - all seems rather by the wayside to me.
I mean, how much of this whole thread has been discussing the actual arguments made in the video and purely that? Almost - if not fully - non-existent. A fair majority spout presumptive tosh - only dumb people agree with him, referencing Reddit stereotypes etc.
Berate him for his personality features if you will, although it seems to mostly result in a shitstorm in every single thread.
I think it would be better if people just discussed the content of the video posted, rather than bringing up the creators attributes in every thread and that's not just for TF, I think that's a good rule of thumb in general.[/QUOTE]
People usually do discuss the videos, such as in the [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1406630]previous thread.[/url] We've got to the point that we've already refuted all we want to refute and established that the man is full of shit. It's always the same criticism because he continues to make the same flimsy and outright idiotic arguments (usually that involve quoting one extreme idiot to attack [I]all[/I] feminists) and nobody even wants these threads to exist except for Shreddinger.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45310401]you literally just posted an example of the yellow journalist shit he does, too. it's not thunderf00t's video, but why the fuck would you make your thumbnail an unflattering screencap of somebody's face unless you mean to imply that they're an UGLY idiot
if you do that people will just ignore your argument because you're just tryna slander somebody.
[editline]6th July 2014[/editline]
.... rrrreeeeaaaaad the thread?
we've discussed why thunderf00t is an idiot over and over again to the point where people are SICK of seeing him. general consensus from BOTH sides of the usual "is sexism in videogames" argument on this forum agree that he's a fucking slanderous idiot.
i shouldn't have to come up with a rebuttal to each and every one of his points in his feature length feminism-bashing videos, because he's already proven that he's unable to make an argument without acting like a fucking angry entitled baby with a persecution complex.[/QUOTE]
Is that really all you have? You are upset he didn't make her look pretty in the thumbnail?
So he makes her look bad in a thumbnail, lets pretend I give you that point.
But then he tears her apart point for point in the video based on rational argument, and you might ask what are you defending?
Anita basically smears every man of being sexist whether he knows it or not and basically condemns all men for their sexuality by default. You like looking at sexy women? You are a sexist. You think sex workers have the right of self determination? Sexist! If you include sexy material in your game as a developer you are a sexist pig!! She throws smears at huge groups of people based on the weakest evidence possible, slander on a massive scale, while you fixate on a thumbnail.
Beyond that she promotes plain dishonesty in thought and argument, which is far more toxic to society than anything else.
So really, give me a break.
[editline]7th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;45311142]People usually do discuss the videos, such as in the [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1406630]previous thread.[/url] We've got to the point that we've already refuted all we want to refute and established that the man is full of shit. It's always the same criticism because he continues to make the same flimsy and outright idiotic arguments (usually that involve quoting one extreme idiot to attack [I]all[/I] feminists) and nobody even wants these threads to exist except for Shreddinger.[/QUOTE]
Except you haven't refuted a damned thing, beyond playing a victim/outrage card, oh no! a thumbnail! There is no actual defense of her argument possible. Its just too clownish to even pretend is possible unless you take the position of being immune to fact and reason, no different than a creationist or some other fundamentalist who isn't concerned with honesty in argument.
Your sides criticisms are entirely superficial. Anita completely discredits her based on the lack of substance in her arguments. Never mind the lack of credibility due to her constant dishonesty in every aspect. She claims academic standards, that this material is fit for schools. But you defend her? I don't know how some of your standards got this low, are you that desperate to defend a woman and embody the trope of saving the damsel she talks about so much?
Imagine if some muppet started screaming about how rockstar games was racist since all the characters in grand theft auto were white, and cut footage to deliberately mislead people about this supposed fact. And then some people come to that persons defense by whining about some unflattering thumbnail because obviously that's the biggest wrong in all this..... either you have no perspective or you really have no regard for the facts.
sheesh you sure are adamant about this whole thing huh
did you post that video just so you can argue with people or something
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45310686]one thing i've noticed is that people are more likely to agree with your points, regardless of how toxic and terrible they are, as long as you're able to make a tightly edited video with lots of visual humor.
that's why people like TAA, TF, internetaristocrat, and like 30 others are even remotely popular even though all they're doing is crying about how much offended people offend them.[/QUOTE]
That's funny, so every comedian who pokes fun at politicians or society is just crying about offense right?
Sorry the reason why people like people like internet aristocrat is because he pokes fun at how irrational some people are.
One side you have rationalists like thunderf00t and internet aristocrat, people who understand freedom of speech and what constitutes a valid argument. The other side you have precious snow flakes who think the world should be censored to their tastes, so they play the professional victimhood card so they can flag, they ban, they block all comments they dislike, they attempt to block all criticism, and they use campaigns of shame and harassment to have everything not in their direct control censored to their liking. There is no equivalence. SJW and feminists like anita sarkeesian are just the new fundamentalist churchs, who spend their time trying to protect everyone from themselves, and trying to silence and smear heretics.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45312912]Except you haven't refuted a damned thing, beyond playing a victim/outrage card, oh no! a thumbnail! There is no actual defense of her argument possible. Its just too clownish to even pretend is possible unless you take the position of being immune to fact and reason, no different than a creationist or some other fundamentalist who isn't concerned with honesty in argument.
Your sides criticisms are entirely superficial. Anita completely discredits her based on the lack of substance in her arguments. Never mind the lack of credibility due to her constant dishonesty in every aspect. She claims academic standards, that this material is fit for schools. But you defend her? I don't know how some of your standards got this low, are you that desperate to defend a woman and embody the trope of saving the damsel she talks about so much?
Imagine if some muppet started screaming about how rockstar games was racist since all the characters in grand theft auto were white, and cut footage to deliberately mislead people about this supposed fact. And then some people come to that persons defense by whining about some unflattering thumbnail because obviously that's the biggest wrong in all this..... either you have no perspective or you really have no regard for the facts.[/QUOTE]
I came here to reply to you, I've already said all I wish to say about thunderf00t right now. You seem to have drawn an awful lot out of my post, such as that I support Anita Sarkeesian? I don't, she was the "one extreme idiot" I mentioned. Maybe if you paid the slightest bit of attention around here you'd realise the majority of us dislike both thunderf00t [B]and[/B] Sarkeesian, but you seem to be too engrossed in the argument you created for the sake of arguing to realise that.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45313077]That's funny, so every comedian who pokes fun at politicians or society is just crying about offense right?
Sorry the reason why people like people like internet aristocrat is because he pokes fun at how irrational some people are.
One side you have rationalists like thunderf00t and internet aristocrat, people who understand freedom of speech and what constitutes a valid argument.[/QUOTE]
The Chart is not a valid argument.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45313077]That's funny, so every comedian who pokes fun at politicians or society is just crying about offense right?
Sorry the reason why people like people like internet aristocrat is because he pokes fun at how irrational some people are.
One side you have rationalists like thunderf00t and internet aristocrat, people who understand freedom of speech and what constitutes a valid argument. The other side you have precious snow flakes who think the world should be censored to their tastes, so they play the professional victimhood card so they can flag, they ban, they block all comments they dislike, they attempt to block all criticism, and they use campaigns of shame and harassment to have everything not in their direct control censored to their liking. There is no equivalence. SJW and feminists like anita sarkeesian are just the new fundamentalist churchs, who spend their time trying to protect everyone from themselves, and trying to silence and smear heretics.[/QUOTE]
valid argument = "look at all these idiots cry. LOL!!! fuck feminism. i'm a white guy"
you heard it here first, folks.
Man with all the fucking shitspewing and cock in mouth circlejerks about Anita I expected to go on her channel and listen to a new age nazi soapboxing about mobilising castration units.
But no, I'm just watching a video of a women analysing and commenting on video games and I really feel like everyone missed that part at the start where she says it's possible to enjoy something and still be able to look at it's problematic aspects.
And then I go onto thunderf00ts video and it's a middle aged man acting very jocular and layered heavily with sarcasm and ad hominem, almost to say as if he does not take Anita seriously or even considers her arguments for more than a few moments before dismissing them. His tone is a lot more patronising and condescending tone compared to Anita. Contrasts!
How long until posting these for/vs. feminism videos is an actual ban?
Support feminism or not, [I]nobody[/I] likes these shit-mongering videos.
I hope Craptasket is on the ball again to close this shit down. It's sad that people can't handle a simple debate anymore.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45313077]That's funny, so every comedian who pokes fun at politicians or society is just crying about offense right?
Sorry the reason why people like people like internet aristocrat is because he pokes fun at how irrational some people are.
One side you have rationalists like thunderf00t and internet aristocrat, people who understand freedom of speech and what constitutes a valid argument. The other side you have precious snow flakes who think the world should be censored to their tastes, so they play the professional victimhood card so they can flag, they ban, they block all comments they dislike, they attempt to block all criticism, and they use campaigns of shame and harassment to have everything not in their direct control censored to their liking. There is no equivalence. SJW and feminists like anita sarkeesian are just the new fundamentalist churchs, who spend their time trying to protect everyone from themselves, and trying to silence and smear heretics.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know rationality was so exclusive to people who agree with you.
This thread is still gong on? Will you people just accept Thunderf00t as your lord and savior already?
Worship his large holy muscular neck please.
[QUOTE=cumizon;45313077]That's funny, so every comedian who pokes fun at politicians or society is just crying about offense right?
Sorry the reason why people like people like internet aristocrat is because he pokes fun at how irrational some people are.
One side you have rationalists like thunderf00t and internet aristocrat, people who understand freedom of speech and what constitutes a valid argument. The other side you have precious snow flakes who think the world should be censored to their tastes, so they play the professional victimhood card so they can flag, they ban, they block all comments they dislike, they attempt to block all criticism, and they use campaigns of shame and harassment to have everything not in their direct control censored to their liking. There is no equivalence. SJW and feminists like anita sarkeesian are just the new fundamentalist churchs, who spend their time trying to protect everyone from themselves, and trying to silence and smear heretics.[/QUOTE]
there's nothing to argue about if you're just gonna say "you don't accept the truth" over and over
[QUOTE=seano12;45314201]This thread is still gong on? Will you people just accept Thunderf00t as your lord and savior already?
Worship his large holy muscular neck please.[/QUOTE]
He's no Corpsegrinder [IMG]http://www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/George-Corpsegrinder-Fisher-NECK.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45305345][URL]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Thunderf00t#Ongoing_crusade_against_feminism[/URL]
all you need to know[/QUOTE]
Really, rationalwiki?
Yeah thunderf00t is full of [URL="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jesusland"]shit[/URL] [URL="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tea_Party"]but[/URL] [URL="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Republican"]come[/URL] [url=http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Barack_Obama]on[/url].
[t]http://i.imgur.com/UcTIcXk.png[/t]
It reads like a left-winged encyclopedia dramatica counterpart.
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;45313159]she was the "one extreme idiot" I mentioned.[/QUOTE]
What is so extreme about anita?
All she's ever said has been pretty tame and vanilla highschool level discourse
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