• Standard (Measurement) is fucking stupid.
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What is the trouble in learning both?
[QUOTE=johanz;21501122]Well ofc the change will take time, you can't just switch in a day. But if you don't do it at all, then you will never switch.[/QUOTE] Exactly! I don't see why people complain about the "cost" for re-education and stuff, when everything will be switched out anyway :I
Do you guys really have nothing better to do than cry about how America measures their milk. If you don't like it just learn Metric and shut up. Not everyone has to be like you jesus.
Just to let you guys know, it is "metre" as in the unit of length in measurement, a "meter" is something that measured. 'Oh yes, that's a centimetre' 'I measured it with my thermometer' [editline]11:08PM[/editline] And this might sound a bit extreme, but the time system we use is pretty hard to use as well, but it would be really hard to work out from days to a year, since there are 365.25 days in each year, so you would either need to change how long a day is, or change how long a year is to be able to make it based off 10, 100 or 1000
America, you guys like going fast right? Well if you switch your highways from 60mph to 100km/hr you'll be able to go a tad bit faster. And the trans-canada highway is 110km/hr in spots so that's like warp 7 right there [editline]06:36AM[/editline] [QUOTE=phill977;21501292] And this might sound a bit extreme, but the time system we use is pretty hard to use as well, but it would be really hard to work out from days to a year, since there are 365.25 days in each year, so you would either need to change how long a day is, or change how long a year is to be able to make it based off 10, 100 or 1000[/QUOTE] If we changed the length of a second we wouldn't be able to use quartz in clocks anymore
i'm a refrigeration mechanic and I like the imperial system better than the metric; at least when i'm working i do.
[QUOTE=scottybev;21501615]i'm a refrigeration mechanic and I like the imperial system better than the metric; at least when i'm working i do.[/QUOTE] My cousin is a refrigeration mechanic and he says you do sloppy work
all this talk about the roadsigns and stuff, it doesn't really matter because you can use metric spanners/sockets on imperial bolts and vice versa
Am I the only one not bothered by Fahrenheit? What does it matter if it's based around water's freezing/boiling points or not? Why does that automatically make Celsius better?
[QUOTE=Radiosquid;21501696]Am I the only one not bothered by Fahrenheit? What does it matter if it's based around water's freezing/boiling points or not? Why does that automatically make Celsius better?[/QUOTE] I didn't catch on, but did anyone say celsius was better?
[QUOTE=johanz;21501716]I didn't catch on, but did anyone say celsius was better?[/QUOTE] On the first page everyone was going on about how Fahrenheit was sooo dumb because it wasn't based around water.
they managed to get rid of pluto so i think they can convert to the metric system kelvin scale is the best for temperature but noone uses it, it is the only one that makes propper sense
Metric is decimal, therefor easy. And america uses random. Also, didn't ancient rome used this system ?
[QUOTE=Radiosquid;21501733]On the first page everyone was going on about how Fahrenheit was sooo dumb because it wasn't based around water.[/QUOTE] No, Fahrenheit is dumb because it's EXCESSIVELY arbitary. Sure, any system of measurement is pretty arbitrary, but some make more sense than others. Using the melting and boiling points of water, the MOST COMMON liquid on Earth and the solvent used by all life as the reference points for a temperature scale makes more sense than some random brine solution.
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;21490790]Because America is a backwards Orwellian hellhole full of right-wing bigoted Fundies who think the Metric system is the work of Communism and Satan. Seriously.[/QUOTE] I'm a right winger American, and I love the metric system. Standard is too confusing with, like, twelves and shit making pairs. [editline]08:20AM[/editline] I actually have a vivid memory from when I learned the Metric system sitting in a hallway in 3rd grade.
[QUOTE=pondefloor;21492798]the metric system is cool and all, but why the hell is the metre defined as some incredibly arbitrary fraction based on light? distance in 1/299,792,458 of a second? seriously?[/QUOTE] The metre was originally defined as one ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the north pole. They later decided this wasn't accurate enough, because the Earth is not a perfect sphere, so they defined it first as "1,650,763.73 wavelengths of the orange-red emission line in the electromagnetic spectrum of the krypton-86 atom in a vacuum." This was still inaccurate for some scientific calculations, so the metre was redefined as the distance light travels in 1/299,792,458 seconds EXACTLY. Apparently there are a group of scientists who want it redefined again to 1/300,000,000.
[QUOTE=SuPeR_MaN;21490950]The metric system is so much more simple and easy. Just go with it America then you'll see.[/QUOTE] Well of course you think that, you grew up with metric. :downs:
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;21491632]Dude, it would be freaking expensive to it. It requires reeducation, reestablishment of road signs, and all the books would have to be changed. It's not that simple to just out right change your country's measurement system.[/QUOTE] UK road signs are still imperial..
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;21501265]Do you guys really have nothing better to do than cry about how America measures their milk. If you don't like it just learn Metric and shut up. Not everyone has to be like you jesus.[/QUOTE] Yes. ITT: People start an Anti-American shitstorm because [b]OUR NATION[/b] uses Imperial. If you have a problem with it, then don't go to the US for fucks sake. All our shit that has a big influence on the rest of the world uses Metric (Military, NASA, etc.) so stop bitching. I've been to way more places than your average seventeen year old, and I've dealt with it. Christ, stop bitching. "Wahhhh, mommy, the americans on our guild's ventrilo keep using imperial, wahhhh"
The UK is a weird one. We use metric for measurements like centimetres and metres nowadays, but for speed and road distances it's all Miles and Miles per hour.
[QUOTE=johanz;21491224]While we're at measurements, how does Fahrenheit work? At 0 Celsius water freezes, but what happens at 0 Fahrenheit?[/QUOTE] You get frostbite. Water freezes ~33 Fahrenheit. People say 32 but it's usualy closer to 33.
[QUOTE=Bengley;21502134]The UK is a weird one. We use metric for measurements like centimetres and metres nowadays, but for speed and road distances it's all Miles and Miles per hour.[/QUOTE] I noticed that even though we do use some imperial measurements, i've basically never heard of or had to convert between them, so things like a mile, inch, yard or ounce are used more on their own as recognized measurements (and generally less precise) than as part of the whole imperial measurements. If that makes any sense at all.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;21502017]The metre was originally defined as one ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the north pole. They later decided this wasn't accurate enough, because the Earth is not a perfect sphere, so they defined it first as "1,650,763.73 wavelengths of the orange-red emission line in the electromagnetic spectrum of the krypton-86 atom in a vacuum." This was still inaccurate for some scientific calculations, so the metre was redefined as the distance light travels in 1/299,792,458 seconds EXACTLY. Apparently there are a group of scientists who want it redefined again to 1/300,000,000.[/QUOTE] As much as I love the metric system all of those changing of definitions are absolutely useless, because, if I'm not mistaken, none of them actually CHANGED the length of the metre. They just related the same length to some new quantity and tried to make it sound more scientific. In the end it made no difference.
[QUOTE=sltungle;21502423]As much as I love the metric system all of those changing of definitions are absolutely useless, because, if I'm not mistaken, none of them actually CHANGED the length of the metre. They just related the same length to some new quantity and tried to make it sound more scientific. In the end it made no difference.[/QUOTE] It did change the length. Soo minutely that it would only be noticeable over very very long distances, but it did change (though what it changed to was most probably still within the margin of error for the original definition of the distance). Its kinda like rounding up/down. For example, If the number was 3.123435 before and then became redefined to 3.12435[B]8976[/B] that would still be a slightly larger number. And changing the number would be necessary when changing the scale its defined against (ie lightspeed/time rather then a physical distance) as no two non-related scales would match perfectly at any interval. The main reason for the change was accuracy. With things like wavelengths and distances on the earth the +/- margin of error is bigger. But as far as we can tell the speed of light is always constant, even when factoring in time dilation, which means that the definition of a meter in relation to the speed of light should be extremely accurate. While the main reasons for doing this are for scientific purposes, its not like the rest of the world has to re-learn how far a meter is. For our day to day purposes the our standard is fine. The change in scale would be the equivalent of adding a microscopic bacterium onto the end of a meter rule.
SI for life. Apart for kelvin. Damn do I hate kelvin.
[QUOTE=johanz;21491224]While we're at measurements, how does Fahrenheit work? At 0 Celsius water freezes, but what happens at 0 Fahrenheit?[/QUOTE] This. America might be bigger and better than us, but their temperature and measurement systems suck dick! [editline]05:30PM[/editline] Also, Kelvin is Celsius minus 273.15 or something.
I live in Canada, and let me tell you, metric is not as amazing as you think. Most people still use standard for certain things (inches, pounds, acres, ounces), and metric for others. To give you an example, I know what temperature I need in Fahrenheit when I am baking, and do not know what it is in Celsius, but when I am checking the weather temperature I know it in Celsius, not Fahrenheit. I measure myself in pounds, sure as hell don't know how many kilograms I am. We measure property in acres, and drinks in both ounces and mL. When measuring anything in trades, we use inches (unless its a dumb Government watched program). Right now its confusing, I say, what works for you: stick with it. Oh, most importantly, no one knows how tall they are in cm, everyone measures themselves in ft and inches.
[QUOTE=Falcoknight;21503813]I live in Canada, and let me tell you, metric is not as amazing as you think. Most people still use standard for certain things (inches, pounds, acres, ounces), and metric for others. To give you an example, I know what temperature I need in Fahrenheit when I am baking, and do not know what it is in Celsius, but when I am checking the weather temperature I know it in Celsius, not Fahrenheit. I measure myself in pounds, sure as hell don't know how many kilograms I am. We measure property in acres, and drinks in both ounces and mL. When measuring anything in trades, we use inches (unless its a dumb Government watched program). Right now its confusing, I say, what works for you: stick with it. Oh, most importantly, no one knows how tall they are in cm, everyone measures themselves in ft and inches.[/QUOTE] I live in the UK, and you're wrong.
It pisses me off how in the UK people insist on measuring their weight in imperial, and distances in miles & yards & such.
our entire manufacturing industry is built on the imperial system, that's why it's still in place and it's not easy just to immediately switch over to something without actually building up a conceptualization of how far it is - so unless people are born into using metric system, it'd be completely irresponsible to change it so dramatically as it would leave the public up shit's creek I do agree that the metric system of weights & distances is far more efficient, but I do like the Fahrenheit scale far more than Celsius (being wider gives it the ability to be more specific), and find it to be better as far as environmental temperatures go.
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