Radical Feminists Trying to Attack and Desecrate a Cathedral, Peaceful Defenders Attacked.
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[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;43062038][img]http://i.imgur.com/ae5Hn2W.png[/img]
i don't understand feminists objectives, how is sucking another woman's tit. what.
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This was a anti-abortion group being counterprotested. Given the common homophobia of such groups, it was likely an attempt at psychological warfare.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;43062056]
We're not judging all feminists though, just radical/extremist/militant ones.
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"and they wonder why the public eye sees feminism in a bad light."
sorry what
[editline]4th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=soulharvester;43062056]How many men's issues can you name that feminism has helped to resolve?
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[URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/shenegotiates/2011/12/05/womens-economic-power-decreases-domestic-violence-against-both-genders/"]Being less likely to be murdered by your spouse[/URL]
I never said that?
Though it's true, if this is the kind of feminism that the public sees, and they don't see the other more civil sides of feminism, then they don't have a lot of perspective on which to differentiate between moderate feminists and radicals.
Though he was commenting on the public's view of feminism, where as I was talking more so about the commenters in this thread, who have been much more exposed and are knowledgable about moderate/regular feminism.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;43062179]I never said that?
Though it's true, if this is the kind of feminism that the public sees, and they don't see the other more civil sides of feminism, then they don't have a lot of perspective on which to differentiate between moderate feminists and radicals.
Though he was commenting on the public's view of feminism, where as I was talking more so about the commenters in this thread, who have been much more exposed and are knowledgable about moderate/regular feminism.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't talking to you I was talking to him.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43061948]would you use the same argument about Islam
if a lot of people take extremists and cast judgment based on that it's because they're idiots, it's no one else's fault.[/QUOTE]
You can't compare them, Islam and religion in general is represented by officials and writings with undeniably questionable stances, and people who willingly follow them should have their beliefs scrutinised
Feminism is just a simple idea, the equality and empowerment of women, decentralised and capable by anybody
[QUOTE=Mr Shadyface;43062011]Further proof to my theory: The worlds problems don't stem from Christians or Muslims or Jews or feminists or atheists. They stem from Radicals.[/QUOTE]
And where do these radicals get their ideas exactly
[QUOTE=Mr Shadyface;43062011]Further proof to my theory: The worlds problems don't stem from Christians or Muslims or Jews or feminists or atheists. They stem from Radicals. Radicals, from any background, are the worst kind of people. You get normal people who are content to be feminist/Christian/atheist/whatthefuckever, proud and still civil to everyone else, or you get...that.[/QUOTE]
the uncomfortable truth is, some beliefs are fundamentally bad. if you believe in them, whether or not you're an extremist, you're still wrong. and the thing about that is, you don't have to be an extremist to support bad ideas that, when given sufficient popularity or political weight, can do just as much damage over a given period of time as any bombing or massacre. for example, i don't actually have to be willing to shoot anyone to be a fascist - if things go my way, i can just let the government do that for me.
it's among the primary criticisms of the democratic process; you don't need any radicals to fuck up a country, you just need one really dumb ideology and a collective lack of foresight. so really it's less radicals messing up global politics, and more just that everyone believes in dumb stuff. and that's most definitely nothing new to the world.
[QUOTE=mchapra;43059810]
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these fucking comments man[/QUOTE]
I love comments like these because they're fucking hilarious. Slavery existed before Christianity, Hell, even before Judaism was a concept. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Mesopotamians come up with slavery. And didn't the Romans keep Christians as slaves?
[QUOTE=Cone;43062287]the uncomfortable truth is, some beliefs are fundamentally bad. if you believe in them, whether or not you're an extremist, you're still wrong. and the thing about that is, you don't have to be an extremist to support bad ideas that, when given sufficient popularity or political weight, can do just as much damage over a given period of time as any bombing or massacre. for example, i don't actually have to be willing to shoot anyone to be a fascist - if things go my way, i can just let the government do that for me.
it's among the primary criticisms of the democratic process; you don't need any radicals to fuck up a country, you just need one really dumb ideology and a collective lack of foresight. so really it's less radicals messing up global politics, and more just that everyone believes in dumb stuff. and that's most definitely nothing new to the world.[/QUOTE]
People just need to put in a tiny bit of effort and think critically for five minutes
[QUOTE=Laputa;43062239]You can't compare them, Islam and religion in general is represented by officials and writings with undeniably questionable stances, and people who willingly follow them should have their beliefs scrutinised
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I meant based on extremist movements, which explicitly go against major religious teachings anyway
[QUOTE=soulharvester;43062056]How many men's issues can you name that feminism has helped to resolve?[/QUOTE]
the civil rights movement is pretty fundamentally piggybacked off of the women's rights movement of the 20s. so yeah. same activists and everything.
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;43062402]I love comments like these because they're fucking hilarious. Slavery existed before Christianity, Hell, even before Judaism was a concept. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Mesopotamians come up with slavery. And didn't the Romans keep Christians as slaves?[/QUOTE]
he's being sarcastic
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43061878]i find it hypocritical that violence was used to establish most modern institutions, but then it's suddenly not even an option when it comes to dismantling them[/QUOTE]
People who view violence as acceptable to achieve ones goals end up emulating the regime they oppose.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43062447]I meant based on extremist movements, which explicitly go against major religious teachings anyway[/QUOTE]
OK if we're just talking "extremists", I'm pretty sure making a disturbing scene in protest is nothing compared to the implementing of islamic law and jihad, and don't just say it isn't taught, when it's a part of the religion
I think something feminism needs is a big unity of ideals, and the ability for the good party to actually get more attention and make their views known, as opposed to the radicals who do nothing but sort of ruin the image and gain them nothing but negative view from the majority of the public.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43059841]the public eye sees feminism in a bad light because people are lazy, don't want to think critically, and are manipulated by a media culture that resists gender equality.
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Uh, isn't that why feminism needs to sort of unify to a point? You can't expect people to do half your job for you. I doubt the original movement for women's rights they were like " nah don't say anything, they'll think critically about our rights for us "
[QUOTE=Manibogi;43061430]I understand that you think physically assaulting anyone for any reasons is wrong, but calling someone childish over a natural reaction to a lesser method of offense such as spitting or drawing shit on your face is dumb.
Maybe that's not how you roll and that's perfectly fine (although I doubt you've ever been spit in the face), but get off your goddamn high horse and stop telling people what they should and shouldn't be ashamed of, because THAT is childish.[/QUOTE]
lets be real mate it's really sad that "don't assault people" is considered standing on a soap box and is such a contentious point on this forum
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;43062402]I love comments like these because they're fucking hilarious. Slavery existed before Christianity, Hell, even before Judaism was a concept. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Mesopotamians come up with slavery. And didn't the Romans keep Christians as slaves?[/QUOTE]
I think it's funny that no one read his name and made a connection
[QUOTE=Mr.95;43062764]
Uh, isn't that why feminism needs to sort of unify to a point? You can't expect people to do half your job for you. I doubt the original movement for women's rights they were like " nah don't say anything, they'll think critically about our rights for us "[/QUOTE]
feminism can't "unite" because it's not an organization. it's a movement. it's a philosophy. people interpret the movement in unique ways and people start independent organizations with unique goals and methods to fight patriarchy in their own way.
to use a more familiar example to compare it, you can look at the gaming movement and sub-culture. how do you unite gamers? some people play consoles and some play pc. some hate call of duty and other people don't think mobile gamers are really gamers. there are organizations of people who participate in gaming, but they are unique and not really meant to get all gamers under the same banner.
and if someone says gamers are fucking stupid because call of duty gamers are annoying, you will be quick to point out that call of duty gamers do not represent every gamer out there.
it's a very crude comparison, but i think it's valid enough to get my point through.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;43058835]Besides the fact they pretty much ruined everyone's clothes and tried to provoke them, the moment the they spat in their faces is when I would respond and knock them out cold.
Maybe that will teach them what the extent of gender equality truly is.[/QUOTE]
why do people always ask/bring up punching women anytime gender equality is brought up.
also punching anybody is fucking stupid regardless of what their gender is. try to solve problems without "knocking them out cold."
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;43061554]
Feminism started with good intentions in the beginning, but it has warped their original ideology to the point where it has almost become blind anger.[/QUOTE]
Its always had its divisions.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;43062562]the civil rights movement is pretty fundamentally piggybacked off of the women's rights movement of the 20s. so yeah. same activists and everything.[/QUOTE]
The feminist movement in the 1920s was made up of alot of racists.
[QUOTE=Cone;43062287]the uncomfortable truth is, some beliefs are fundamentally bad. if you believe in them, whether or not you're an extremist, you're still wrong. and the thing about that is, you don't have to be an extremist to support bad ideas that, when given sufficient popularity or political weight, can do just as much damage over a given period of time as any bombing or massacre. for example, i don't actually have to be willing to shoot anyone to be a fascist - if things go my way, i can just let the government do that for me.
it's among the primary criticisms of the democratic process; you don't need any radicals to fuck up a country, you just need one really dumb ideology and a collective lack of foresight. so really it's less radicals messing up global politics, and more just that everyone believes in dumb stuff. and that's most definitely nothing new to the world.[/QUOTE]
No beliefs relating to human issues can be fundamentally bad. Saying that is wrong in and of itself considering all beliefs relating to human issues are one hundred percent subjective.
There's only what the majority decides is right or wrong and what their opposition decides is right or wrong and the means for both parties to get their ends.
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;43061554]
Feminism started with good intentions in the beginning, but it has warped their original ideology to the point where it has almost become blind anger.[/QUOTE]
wasn't aware that me believing that women should have the right to an equal footing in the world free from stupid gender roles is blind anger lmfao.
What's the point in arguing in these kind of threads when everybody is as dense as a brick wall?
[QUOTE=Laferio;43063198]What's the point in arguing in these kind of threads when everybody is as dense as a brick wall?[/QUOTE]
Psychological studies prove people [i]like[/i] to argue, so there's that.
And then there's the whole "I can't let my beliefs be belittled by the cuntfaces" thing.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43063175]wasn't aware that me believing that women should have the right to an equal footing in the world free from stupid gender roles is blind anger lmfao.[/QUOTE]
it's blind anger, and it's oppressive to men, and it's dangerous to society. as a man, i am used to the way society treats me. i am privileged enough to be ignorant of my privilege, and i am comfortable with that. feminism attacks men because it seeks to take away my privilege. it seeks to undermine the way society has valued me and that makes me scared about how society will treat me in the future. women are not oppressed. i know for a fact they aren't because i have never observed women being oppressed, nor have i felt that oppression firsthand.
that's why feminism is scary.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43063175]that women should have the right to an equal footing in the world free[/QUOTE]
There is a large population of feminists like Andrea Dworkin that wouldn't agree with this.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43063148]The feminist movement in the 1920s was made up of alot of racists.[/QUOTE]
the majority of the early feminist movement was made up of former abolitionists...
stanton, mott, susan b anthony, garrison, stone, blackwell
list goes on and on and on and on
the two movements have been linked since their creation and have politically built off of one another.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43063269]There is a large population of feminists like Andrea Dworkin that wouldn't agree with this.[/QUOTE]
those aren't feminists????
it was literally a strategic political move first the feminists fought for the black vote so then they could yell at their husbands and say "you're gonna let the NIGGER vote but not me?" and then they got the vote and then the people that made up the movement in the 20s and then later in the 30s 40s etc became the leads for grassroots organizations among vast portions of the south. helped to garner white support for the civil rights movement. ella baker basically built her shit with support from feminists
[QUOTE=Laputa;43062746]OK if we're just talking "extremists", I'm pretty sure making a disturbing scene in protest is nothing compared to the implementing of islamic law and jihad, and don't just say it isn't taught, when it's a part of the religion[/QUOTE]
yes yes blah blah analogies are bad, analogies are never ever perfect they're just to easily convey a simplified message.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43063394]those aren't feminists????[/QUOTE]
They're not feminists because you disagree with them?
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