What I want to know is if in [sp]the new future Rogue still has her powers.[/sp]
Since X3 didn't happen by the looks of it, I'm gonna guess yes. Please say yes.
well that was a pretty good movie, probably top 3 of the whole franchise.
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;44913310]What I want to know is if in [sp]the new future Rogue still has her powers.[/sp]
Since X3 didn't happen by the looks of it, I'm gonna guess yes. Please say yes.[/QUOTE]
[sp] Yes, again her part with Kitty was completely chopped out, and two, the cure is only temporary, and three the guy who invented the cure is literally in the same building with her at the end of the movie [/sp]
[QUOTE=27X;44914101][sp] Yes, again her part with Kitty was completely chopped out, and two, the cure is only temporary, and three the guy who invented the cure is literally in the same building with her at the end of the movie [/sp][/QUOTE]
You're gonna have to forgive me for not remembering every aspect of X3. You see, when I walked out of the theater that dreary day back in 2006, I turned around and procceeded to hit my head several times against a metal wall. That must be why the year of 2006 is a complete and total blank for me.
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;44914681]You're gonna have to forgive me for not remembering every aspect of X3. You see, when I walked out of the theater that dreary day back in 2006, I turned around and procceeded to hit my head several times against a metal wall. That must be why the year of 2006 is a complete and total blank for me.[/QUOTE]
just read the wiki page
i won't scorn my internet history with it so you'll have to look yourself
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;44913310]What I want to know is if in [sp]the new future Rogue still has her powers.[/sp]
Since X3 didn't happen by the looks of it, I'm gonna guess yes. Please say yes.[/QUOTE]
It did happen. The cure was not permanent.
[sp]I heard that one of the scrapped scenes involved Kitty getting injured or something and then Rogue would absorb her powers to send Logan to the past.[/sp]
I have one question, maybe I'm dumb for missing it...
How could Kitty send people's consciousness into the past?
I can't believe they chopped out 1 hour and 15 minutes out of this. I would have gladly watched all of it. I kinda felt it was too short?? Or just the details left out made it feel a bit rushed. But still a very good movie.
[QUOTE=GoldenBullet;44915585]I have one question, maybe I'm dumb for missing it...
How could Kitty send people's consciousness into the past?[/QUOTE]
Well, she was the one who got sent back in the original story, so i guess its just that they tried to still keep her relevant to the story.
[editline]26th May 2014[/editline]
In-Universe, probably related to her weird universe-breaking powers.
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;44911250]So wait if the next movie is set during the 80s
and Wolverine [sp] Went back to 2023? then that means we already know they beat apocalypse, but we didn't see Magneto in the new future so he could die. [/sp][/QUOTE]
That's an unfair statement, you could say that about any movie
Like in First Class, it's a prequel, so we already know that Erik and Charles make it out alive
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;44911250]So wait if the next movie is set during the 80s
and Wolverine [sp] Went back to 2023? then that means we already know they beat apocalypse, but we didn't see Magneto in the new future so he could die. [/sp][/QUOTE]
And no, not really. [sp]Apocalypse found a time travelling ship in the comics at some point. So he can change the future too.[/sp]
Reading the script now and it looks like their initial plan was to have Juggernaut help them [sp]break into Magneto's cell.[/sp]
all in all i have pretty mixed feelings. I think it definitely could have used a bit more action, especially when it came to the way they used the 1970's Sentinels. It was disappointing to wait this long to see some legit Sentinel action in an X-men movie and not really have it happen. The future Sentinel stuff was good, but by that point they're not really even Sentinels anymore, they're the evolved "Nimrod" variant. I'm talking about straight up classic Sentinels hunting mutants like we know from the comics and the 90's cartoon.
TBH i'm kinda pissed they basically tossed a lot of the foundation First Class had set up in the trash [sp](with most the First Class characters apparently killed, with Havok only having a brief cameo appearance)[/sp]and took that whole thing a different route. I mean i guess it's great that Singer was able to hijack it in order to bring us DOFP, but i liked First Class a great deal. I was seriously looking forward to a sequel that featured X-men vs Magneto's new crew. Oh well.
Also [sp]the ending didn't really make sense as far as the new future is concerned. Seems like everything in x1 and x2 still happens the same (rogue's hair was white), just not X3. Huh? Why? what's the explanation for that, other than Singer simply wanting to retcon the one he didn't do?[/sp]
as for quicksilver, it sure does seem like they included him specifically as a swipe at the MCU. Even [sp]easter egging in the fact that magneto is his father[/sp], which they will not be able to do in the MCU. It's like some kind of cinematic sabotage or something... with the intention of confusing people when they go to watch Avengers 2, maybe.
[QUOTE=psientist;44918189]all in all i have pretty mixed feelings. I think it definitely could have used a bit more action, especially when it came to the way they used the 1970's Sentinels. It was disappointing to wait this long to see some legit Sentinel action in an X-men movie and not really have it happen. The future Sentinel stuff was good, but by that point they're not really even Sentinels anymore, they're the evolved "Nimrod" variant. I'm talking about straight up classic Sentinels hunting mutants like we know from the comics and the 90's cartoon.[/quote]
if anything the movie should've focused on character development a bit more. not that it was bad on that department, but it definitely had more than enough action
[quote]Also [sp]the ending didn't really make sense as far as the new future is concerned. Seems like everything in x1 and x2 still happens the same (rogue's hair was white), just not X3. Huh? Why? what's the explanation for that, other than Singer simply wanting to retcon the one he didn't do?[/sp]
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but they explain that, though. they say something along the lines of [sp]"in the new future, anything could happen". and it's not just x3 that was changed, as we also see mystique disguising herself as stryker at the end[/sp]
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44918480]if anything the movie should've focused on character development a bit more. [/QUOTE]
Character development for who? Trask? This is the seventh x-men movie. By now we know all of the main characters that were used [I]extremely[/I] well. The amount of character development was fine. And like i said, i was specifically referring to Sentinel action. It was just disappointing to see the original Sentinels not really being Sentinels, but [sp]Magneto's puppets only[/sp]. But i guess this grievance would only really be a big deal to people that are huge X-Men fans (like myself), who have been waiting to see the Sentinels come to the big screen for over 15 years.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44918480]but they explain that, though. they say something along the lines of [sp]"in the new future, anything could happen". and it's not just x3 that was changed, as we also see mystique disguising herself as stryker at the end[/sp][/QUOTE]
I guess i wasn't really clear on my point. My point being that based on many of the clues we're given (i won't get into them all here) in the future scene of the [sp]school, that the events of X1 and X2 still had to have taken place exactly as before, but for whatever reason, X3 did not.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Carne;44917174]Reading the script now and it looks like their initial plan was to have Juggernaut help them [sp]break into Magneto's cell.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Where could one read said script?
[QUOTE=psientist;44918888]Character development for who? Trask? This is the seventh x-men movie. By now we know all of the main characters that were used [I]extremely[/I] well. The amount of character development was fine.
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What characters should be developed? I don't know, how about the ones who were on the future section of the movie? How about the ones who appeared in X3 for a small part and suddenly got a bigger role in this movie? And no matter how much you paint it, the young Xavier-Magneto-Mystique trio is much more different than the old Xavier-Magneto-Mystique trio and you could ostensibly make a point that they are different characters. The only one who doesn't need development is Wolverine, and he wasn't the focus of the movie, he was more of a plot device to get the gang back together and to lure in those people who only go for Wolverine.
I mean, it doesn't work when you expect us to [sp]care about the 'death' of the mutants protecting Logan in the future when some of them didn't even get a single line in the entire movie. What did Sunspot or Colossus say apart from 'grunt'?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;44919796]What characters should be developed? I don't know, how about the ones who were on the future section of the movie?[/QUOTE]
yeah that's a good point. The future peeps definitely could have used some more development(and more screen time in general, in my opinion). But still, they weren't the main focus of the story so you shouldn't have really expected much more from them. You're kind of asking for a lot when you want every single secondary character to have some type of amazing development. The main characters of the plot were taken care of rather well. As for the "trio" you refer to, their younger counterparts are developed rather ostensibly in First Class.
As for [sp]"caring" about the deaths, you probably didn't care because they weren't done particularly well, not because of a lack of character development. Take Storm, for example, we know her character real well from the previous trilogy, yet i didn't feel anything when she was gutted then thrown over the cliff. The deaths just weren't really done in a way that was meant to invoke anything from the viewer. Perhaps because Singer lacks the ability as a director to achieve this, or maybe we simply didn't care because we knew the death wasn't going to matter in the end anyway. Kinda like Fury's "death" in Winter Soldier. It was dumb, i didn't care about it, i didn't feel anything, all probably due to the fact that i knew it would turn out false in the end[/sp]
btw i just realized a plot hole.. [sp]in the movie the 1970's sentinels were developed without any metal, i assume because of Trask's knowledge of Magneto's power, yet during the Sentinels development, Magneto is locked away under the Pentagon for the last decade meaning he was of no threat. On a personal note, i think it would have made much more sense to have the Sentinels be made of titanium (or some other metal) rather than PLASTIC which would likely be MUCH MORE vulnerable to many other mutant powers (like laser beams, ice, fire, etc.) Seems weird to be worried about the one mutant's powers whom you already have locked up and have no reason to believe he'd ever get free.[/sp]
In the end, after being disappointed by the Sentinels, i personally would have really liked to see what Mathew Vaughn (the director of First Class) would have done with a sequel to First Class. Back when he was still going to be the one to do it, he was talking about starting it off with [sp]JFK's assassination[/sp]. That's the movie i would have liked to see. Then they could have actually shown all these characters being [sp]captured or killed by Stryker & Trask.[/sp] rather than throwing everything First Class set up in a trash can. Damn you, Singer.
9/10
I liked the future scenes. As terrifying as that reality was, it had a cool Terminator vibe.
I liked that the 70s era wasn't all fighting. There were some great action sequences, but it was more of a thriller with character development.
Quicksilver was cool, but felt a bit too comical for a film that was so poignant. I also don't get how he could exist yet considering that Quicksilver is Magneto's son. Magneto looks to be in his late 20s or 30s. Did he actually get around to bedding a women and enough years to pass for Quicksilver to become a teenager? And if Quicksilver is Magneto's son, then where is his daughter, Scarlett Witch?
I liked seeing Hank as the Beast. I'm reading silver age Xmen comics and they're really corny, but it's cool to see the Beast so fully realized in a big budget film.
One thing I don't get. In the Wolverine, the hidden credits scene shows Logan being approached by Magneto and Charles Xavier in an airport terminal. When does this take place in relationship to the main continuity and Sentinel continuity?
[sp]In the Wolverine, Logan has his adamantium claws removed, so he's left with only bone claws. In DoFP, in the future scenes, he is shown with adamantium claws. I guess when he and Magneto became allies, Magneto used his magnetism power to restore the adamantium to Wolverine's claws, but this was not explained.[/sp]
[QUOTE=cqbcat;44920740][sp]In the Wolverine, Logan has his adamantium claws removed, so he's left with only bone claws. In DoFP, in the future scenes, he is shown with adamantium claws. I guess when he and Magneto became allies, Magneto used his magnetism power to restore the adamantium to Wolverine's claws, but this was not explained.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Thankfully this film didn't let itself get bogged down in continuity. Because the majority of X-men continuity is fucking bollocks. In a weird way, this film is a reboot. Star Trek style.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;44920740]Magneto looks to be in his late 20s or 30s. [/QUOTE]
Michael Fassbender is 37, Magneto is probably around 40-45.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;44920740]One thing I don't get. In the Wolverine, the hidden credits scene shows Logan being approached by Magneto and Charles Xavier in an airport terminal. When does this take place in relationship to the main continuity and Sentinel continuity?[/QUOTE]
i think it takes place roughly 10 years before the DoFP future scenes. I don't remember whether it was said in the movie or if i read it elsewhere, but the "war" is said to have lasted a decade and the vibe from the scene is that they're approaching him just before it starts.
dofp is confirmed to take place in 2023, roughly ten years after the end of the wolverine.
[QUOTE=psientist;44927452]i think it takes place roughly 10 years before the DoFP future scenes. I don't remember whether it was said in the movie or if i read it elsewhere, but the "war" is said to have lasted a decade and the vibe from the scene is that they're approaching him just before it starts.[/QUOTE]
ok ya the fox x-men series has more time skips and inconsistencies than dr. who if thats true
Oh jeez, Beast without hair looks like something totally different
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/7AO1eNM.jpg[/thumb][thumb]http://i.imgur.com/QqW1rdt.jpg[/thumb]
more chin, a bit bigger mouth, pointy hat and nose, BAM, passable live action Goblin
[QUOTE=Rong;44931096]Oh jeez, Beast without hair looks like something totally different
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/7AO1eNM.jpg[/thumb][thumb]http://i.imgur.com/QqW1rdt.jpg[/thumb][/QUOTE]
No, you are mistaken. That computer generated model is Wolverine.
i thoroughly enjoyed this movie, even more so than first class. quicksilver was a particular treat
[editline]29th May 2014[/editline]
i cant really see how they'l top him in avengers 2
[QUOTE=cricket50;44936371]i thoroughly enjoyed this movie, even more so than first class. quicksilver was a particular treat
[editline]29th May 2014[/editline]
i cant really see how they'l top him in avengers 2[/QUOTE]
it's simple
[sp]he'll have more than five minutes of screen-time[/sp]
[QUOTE=Rong;44931096]Oh jeez, Beast without hair looks like something totally different
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/7AO1eNM.jpg[/thumb][thumb]http://i.imgur.com/QqW1rdt.jpg[/thumb][/QUOTE]
[t]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-19igOBfOM7I/T_DT9OT8RDI/AAAAAAAACHw/cihTRPgzk_Y/s1600/Nosferatu_pdp.jpg[/t]
ehh?
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