X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014) - General

[QUOTE=Lexinator;45022694]So [sp]Did the alternate timeline thing completely wipe what happened in the last wolverine movie apart from logan remembering it?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] Xavier and Logan are the only people who remember [/sp]

[QUOTE=27X;45022883][sp] Xavier and Logan are the only people who remember [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] wouldn't Magneto, beast, and the others that interacted with him in the past know as well? They just had to grow up with the Wolverine that didn't experience the initial future until he returned to his body [/sp]

[QUOTE=Lexinator;45022694]So [sp]Did the alternate timeline thing completely wipe what happened in the last wolverine movie apart from logan remembering it?[/sp][/QUOTE] I think Wolverine remembers events from X-Men, X2, The Last Stand, Origins, The Wolverine, the event in 1973 but knows nothing beyond that because he got sent back to the future (new time-line). That's why he'd asked Professor X to bring him up to speed on the stuff from the past decades

[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;45023002][sp] wouldn't Magneto, beast, and the others that interacted with him in the past know as well? They just had to grow up with the Wolverine that didn't experience the initial future until he returned to his body [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Everything after '73 until '23 would be different, so no. They'd know something bad was going to happen but Logan wasn't exactly specific other than everything went to shit and intead of one Nimrod all sentinels are nimrod and shit sucks yo, and Charles said pretty specifically that everything after the Hotel attack would be different, and Hank agreed once it was shown they ->could<- alter the events without a causality snapback or reversion at the White House. Look at the tech they have, stuff obviously changed a great deal after 73, maybe even will change again if Apocalypse has time travel utility by the time of AoA taking place. They'd have hints, but nothing specific.[/sp]

[QUOTE=27X;45022883][sp] Xavier and Logan are the only people who remember [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Xavier doesn't remember. He just remembers that at one point in '73, Logan started talking about how he's from the future and he's here to help. So when he appears on his office asking what happened in the last 50 years, he's like 'oh it's this Logan and he's back'.[/sp]

he also remembers as much of the future as he saw when he read wolverine's mind

Doug Walker did a review of the movie [url]http://blip.tv/nostalgiacritic/doug-reviews-x-men-days-of-future-past-6904115[/url] Not "Nostalgia Critic" character but Doug Walker himself.

To be honest, I'm kinda dissapointed that [sp]it wasn't actual Stryker who got ahold of Logan at the end, because well, all he did throughout the movie is get beaten up by mutants, plus it would explain how Logan got the adamantium skeleton, because there's no way in hell Logan or Stryker would even agree to be in one room, let alone work together after what happened during DOTFP. And well, to throw the guy a bone, he got the short end of the stick throughout the movie.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Zuimzado;45024799][sp]Xavier doesn't remember. He just remembers that at one point in '73, Logan started talking about how he's from the future and he's here to help. So when he appears on his office asking what happened in the last 50 years, he's like 'oh it's this Logan and he's back'.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] Nope, he remembers a great deal more than that. "I don't want your pain/Welcome back, old friend"[/sp] [editline]7th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Mashak;45025511]To be honest, I'm kinda dissapointed that [sp]it wasn't actual Stryker who got ahold of Logan at the end, because well, all he did throughout the movie is get beaten up by mutants, plus it would explain how Logan got the adamantium skeleton, because there's no way in hell Logan or Stryker would even agree to be in one room, let alone work together after what happened during DOTFP. And well, to throw the guy a bone, he got the short end of the stick throughout the movie.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] Cornelius and Hines could have simply given Logan the skeleton anyway when he was part of Alpha Flight, he gets the skeleton without all the attendant drama. [/sp]

[QUOTE=27X;45027767][sp] Nope, he remembers a great deal more than that. "I don't want your pain/Welcome back, old friend"[/sp] [/QUOTE] [sp]That first line is spoken by young Xavier to old Xavier about the problems of the future and how he doesn't want to deal with that, it's not explicitly stated that he went and found out everything about the future in that one mind read.[/sp]

Recently I've been rewatching all the X-Men movies and in hindsight I've been finding it really difficult to ignore the weird continuity errors. A fully human Beast cameo in X2, Black Trask in X3 along with both Xavier and Erik looking super old when they're first going out and recruiting students for the school. Then there's the whole bit with Mystique being an interesting character with close ties to Professor, yet over time she just devolves into a sexy henchwoman for Magneto with little to no real relationship with Xavier. Still enjoying it though. I just hope that in the future they at least address the very last complaint of mine.

[QUOTE=Zuimzado;45029757][sp]That first line is spoken by young Xavier to old Xavier about the problems of the future and how he doesn't want to deal with that, it's not explicitly stated that he went and found out everything about the future in that one mind read.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]the hell it is, you're confusing an ad edit with the actual movie, if you're going to try correct someone you should probably be paying attention[/sp]

[QUOTE=Rong;45023176]I think Wolverine remembers events from X-Men, X2, The Last Stand, Origins, The Wolverine, the event in 1973 but knows nothing beyond that because he got sent back to the future (new time-line). That's why he'd asked Professor X to bring him up to speed on the stuff from the past decades[/QUOTE] [sp]Nah, they only remember their lives, it's explicitly stated that only Wolverine will remember what has happened when he wakes up. The rest will have lived their lives out as they did in the new timeline that Wolverine created, so they'd have no idea about the war and stuff since it never happened in that timeline. But they will remember the entire final scene where Magneto goes to kill everyone and all that stuff and THEN everything that happened onwards since that's their timeline.[/sp]

But with [sp]Jean[/sp] and [sp]Cyclops[/sp] alive, there's a whole new timeline created so they can now tell new stories and such with a chance at a X-Men IV movie

[QUOTE=zeldar;45031489]Recently I've been rewatching all the X-Men movies and in hindsight I've been finding it really difficult to ignore the weird continuity errors. A fully human Beast cameo in X2, Black Trask in X3 along with both Xavier and Erik looking super old when they're first going out and recruiting students for the school. Then there's the whole bit with Mystique being an interesting character with close ties to Professor, yet over time she just devolves into a sexy henchwoman for Magneto with little to no real relationship with Xavier. Still enjoying it though. I just hope that in the future they at least address the very last complaint of mine.[/QUOTE] but for a franchise that was never fully planned where it was going to be headed from the start, the continuity errors are really not all that bad. I mean you have to hand it to Singer for the way he was able to adapt the 'Future Past' storyline to the film universe and make everything fit together as best they could. "First Class" could have EASILY been a straight up reboot origin story that re-introduced some of the same characters from the first trilogy (like Cyclops, Iceman etc)... and probably would have been more successful if it was, but then we wouldn't have gotten DoFP. A lot of people like to bring up continuity errors, but personally i think the single greatest mistake of the X-Men franchise was introducing Angel in The Last Stand. Had they not done that, they could have introduced him in "First Class" as one of the original X-Men (as he was in the comics). Then they could have done the whole Arch-Angel thing for the Age of Apocalypse movie which would have been really interesting. edited: btw the beast thing in X2 can now be explained as he simply uses his serum whenever he wants to look human

I don't think it was ever stated that Mystique [sp]died when she was captured. It's implied that she escaped and lived out the first three movies as normal. Also they hinted that the first movie actually did happen considering Rogue has the white streak in her hair. Jean's alive though, the second movie probably didn't.[/sp]

[QUOTE=darcy010;45033072]I don't think it was ever stated that Mystique [sp]died when she was captured. It's implied that she escaped and lived out the first three movies as normal. Also they hinted that the first movie actually did happen considering Rogue has the white streak in her hair. Jean's alive though, the second movie probably didn't.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Or maybe the dam didn't explode this time or somebody did something differently. Butterfly effect. History had changed.[/sp]

[QUOTE=t h e;45032424][sp]Nah, they only remember their lives, it's explicitly stated that only Wolverine will remember what has happened when he wakes up. The rest will have lived their lives out as they did in the new timeline that Wolverine created, so they'd have no idea about the war and stuff since it never happened in that timeline. But they will remember the entire final scene where Magneto goes to kill everyone and all that stuff and THEN everything that happened onwards since that's their timeline.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]That is what he said.. only Wolverine will know what happened in the original timeline, other then the few snippets young Xavier saw.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;45033898][sp]That is what he said.. only Wolverine will know what happened in the original timeline, other then the few snippets young Xavier saw.[/sp][/QUOTE] yeah, i realized that after I posted [editline]8th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rong;45032509]But with [sp]Jean[/sp] and [sp]Cyclops[/sp] alive, there's a whole new timeline created so they can now tell new stories and such with a chance at a X-Men IV movie[/QUOTE] [sp]I thought it was an interesting way to retcon basically the entire movie series. But I don't follow Xmen so I might be wrong[/sp]

[QUOTE=zeldar;45031489]Recently I've been rewatching all the X-Men movies and in hindsight I've been finding it really difficult to ignore the weird continuity errors. A fully human Beast cameo in X2, Black Trask in X3 along with both Xavier and Erik looking super old when they're first going out and recruiting students for the school. Then there's the whole bit with Mystique being an interesting character with close ties to Professor, yet over time she just devolves into a sexy henchwoman for Magneto with little to no real relationship with Xavier. Still enjoying it though. I just hope that in the future they at least address the very last complaint of mine.[/QUOTE] Trask is not refered as Bolivar Trask in X3. For me the biggest mistake in the continuity was Origins

[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;45036182]Trask is not refered as Bolivar Trask in X3. For me the biggest mistake in the continuity was Origins[/QUOTE] Synger has confirmed it was Trask.

[QUOTE=Zuimzado;45038247]Synger has confirmed it was Trask.[/QUOTE] He IS Trask, just not Bolivar.

[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;45039005]He IS Trask, just not Bolivar.[/QUOTE] [quote]Synger: "Some things you let go. [B]In X-Men 3 Bolivar Trask was an African-American guy[/B], in X-Men 1 I personally wrote the line that of course I now regret: ‘When I was 17, I met a young man named Erik Lensherr’ and then in X-Men: First Class I changed that! Some of these I hope the audience will forget about but for the bulk of it I pay attention to the universe."[/quote] [url=http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Edwardo2K14/news/?a=100118]Source.[/url]

I wonder if he'll pull a George Lucas and replace X3 Trask with Dinklage. And fix other continuity issues.

[QUOTE=darcy010;45033072][sp]Also they hinted that the first movie actually did happen considering Rogue has the white streak in her hair. Jean's alive though, the second movie probably didn't.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]but the fact that Jean's alive only means for certain that X3 didn't happen the same way. She could have been killed like she was in X2 then come back as phoenix except was able to control it this time. One thing i haven't seen anyone else mention: Pyro was no where to be seen in the school and he had joined Magneto at the end of X2.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Dan2593;45042413]I wonder if he'll pull a George Lucas and replace X3 Trask with Dinklage. And fix other continuity issues.[/QUOTE] [sp]Wait, wouldn't Trask already be dead in that timeline?[/sp] They could just rework the audio or something, like referring to the guy as Secretary Flask. Oh man, redoing X3's flashback intro with McAvoy and Fassbender. That would be glorious.

[QUOTE=Dan2593;45042413]I wonder if he'll pull a George Lucas and replace X3 Trask with Dinklage. And fix other continuity issues.[/QUOTE] why would he? they other films aren't canon now only First Class and DOFP are.

Well with that attitude nothing would ever get done. It would make the films more enjoyable. Just because they're not canon, doesn't mean they don't need to make sense to the timeline [I]before[/I] it was altered in DOFP.

a little sneak peak of the script for apocalypse [url]http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/bryan-singer-has-shared-a-sneak-peak-of-x-men-apocalypse[/url] looks like the movie starts out in egypt a bazillion years ago

I have a few questions about the plot Can someone please explain the concept of time travel to me? They're sending Wolverine back in time, but what happens to everyone else? Everything will still be fucked in the present time forever, regardless if he succeeds in the past or not. Also, they're not actually sending him back in time, not really, he's just travelling to a parallel timeline, so all of his actions are ultimately futile and meaningless to the people who sent him back. Just imagine it for a moment. Wolverine goes back, but for you, nothing changes, the Sentinels still kill everyone, so it's completely pointless. Why are they messing up with the timeline which doesn't ultimately affect them at all?