The Know - "Half Life 3 Will Never Release" - General

[QUOTE=Anti Christ;48288641]this isnt an attack on you, but rather just a personal anecdote. every time i do exactly that, i get called entitled, insulted, and generally mistreated. i wont be buying fallout 4 because i vehemently disagree with bethesdas involvement in paid mods, and do not want to support them. but apparently thats me being entitled. i dont buy valve games anymore (and rarely even games on steam, too) because i disagree with valves treatment of monetizing everything they touch. apparently im entitled for that too? i do my research and i dont buy games made by devs i dont like, or by publishers i disagree with. but yet thats apparently bad. it really fucking grates on my nerves doing my job as a consumer is looked down upon by at least a portion of the gaming community.[/QUOTE] Whoever's telling you that you [I]have[/I] to buy something to not be entitled is stupid and part of the problem. I practice and actively encourage people to not buy games that: - emphasize DLC to a ridiculous extent (I know people commonly complain or joke about this but it's genuinely bullshit when you have to buy the rest of the game) - are abusive with their microtransactions (i.e. Pay2Win) - are developed by companies who don't put the customer first (Too much DRM or too many hoops to jump through to play the game) - are developed by companies who provide abusive working conditions - are developed by awful people It's called boycotting games you disagree with. I've always felt that the type of person that buys a Call of Duty game just to complain about it is the worst.

[QUOTE=KKram16;48289044]:hypeisnotreal: I agree - this thread has derailed so hard it makes me cringe[/QUOTE] That's probably in part to do with how Half-Life is seen as one of the best games ever to a lot of people and anything even resembling slander to it will at-least get one person riled up.

It's really bizarre how we got so much stuff coming back from E3. Doom, Fallout, Last Guardian, Shenmue III. A Half-Life 3 announcement would've been so.. perfect

[QUOTE=Destroyox;48287422]Honestly L4D3 makes MUCH more sense of coming out anytime soon. A new L4D game could benefit greatly from Source 2 and it can even have microtransactions. Skins for players, guns, map packs, etc. I don't know how they would do any of that in a single-player only game.[/QUOTE] I've always hoped that Valve would release L4D3, HL3 and another game (like a Day of Defeat remake or a new IP) in a new pack similar to the orange box. Makes sense honestly. I want to see how they were able to verify this source, to me it feels like some 14yo emailed them with a bunch of random bullshit and they gobbled it up without asking for evidence to support this claim (employment ID, paycheck, rock solid evidence they're an employee). Hell even if they leaked a page of the script would be enough verification but they didn't, it also goes against Valve's corporate structure, people are never forced off projects, they just choose to leave. Sure valve focuses a lot on micro transactions but hell it's printing them money of course they're occupied in that. I'm sure there's all different people entering and leaving every day to add some contribution to the game. Not like I care tho, I've lost hype

My mentality is make a good game or don't bother. Both are respectable choices for me. I'd rather not ruin the franchise with a bad ending.

I feel like Facepunch has more "HL3 hopeful" threads/posts than any other forum. I have been reading these things for years... [sp]and will never get sick of it[/sp]

Maybe they're trying to pull a Square Enix and won't develop it until they really fuck up and need instant cash.

I just don't know why these types of thread bring out the Gabe-truthers. It's like they belong in /r/atheism except instead of knowing the truth about God they know the truth about Gabe Newell and his sheep. That's not to say that anyone talking negatively about Valve is a Gabe-truther, because I'm the type of fanboy that recognizes that everything that I know and love can improve regardless of anything. Steam can always be better, Valve can always be better, and everyone can always be better. To suggest otherwise is nonsense and non-constructive. The problem is when it goes in the complete opposite direction with lack of humility and an overdose of aggression. These people are the kinds of people that will never see a redeeming factor in Valve until they achieve perfection or they release a fucking game. "Steam doesn't give the ability to refund? What a bunch of losers!" *refunding added* "Steam just now added the ability to refund? Took long enough you bunch of losers!" And then feel free to append "And where's my Half-Life 3?" to those types of criticisms.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48289496]I just don't know why these types of thread bring out the Gabe-truthers. It's like they belong in /r/atheism except instead of knowing the truth about God they know the truth about Gabe Newell and his sheep. That's not to say that anyone talking negatively about Valve is a Gabe-truther, because I'm the type of fanboy that recognizes that everything that I know and love can improve regardless of anything. Steam can always be better, Valve can always be better, and everyone can always be better. To suggest otherwise is nonsense and non-constructive. The problem is when it goes in the complete opposite direction with lack of humility and an overdose of aggression. These people are the kinds of people that will never see a redeeming factor in Valve until they achieve perfection or they release a fucking game. "Steam doesn't give the ability to refund? What a bunch of losers!" *refunding added* "Steam just now added the ability to refund? Took long enough you bunch of losers!" And then feel free to append "And where's my Half-Life 3?" to those types of criticisms.[/QUOTE] I was laying on the floor when I read this. I literally ROFL'd. Gabe-truther, haha.

from reddit [QUOTE][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dTgJ1WZ.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=jazzpunk;48290143]from reddit[/QUOTE] As one guy in the [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/HalfLife/comments/3ejez9/i_sent_an_email_to_marc_laidlaw_regarding_recent/"]reddit thread[/URL] said, "thank goodness Marc laid down the law"

I'd love to dismiss the video right away but I think they may be on to something. I don't think they are even working on any new games at all at the moment. All they care about is how to milk the community to create more content for them. Fear may not be a factor as Marc says but HL3 won't happen anyway.

[QUOTE=jazzpunk;48290143]from reddit[/QUOTE] Rooster teeth shut the fuck down [editline]25th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Buck.;48290310]I'd love to dismiss the video right away but I think they may be on to something. I don't think they are even working on any new games at all at the moment. All they care about is how to milk the community to create more content for them. Fear may not be a factor as Marc says but HL3 won't happen anyway.[/QUOTE] Why work on any games when you know it's going to immediately be outdated/needs more work to rebuild in source 2 I'm sure they're working on something, but primarily their focus looks right now on VR and S2 development

[QUOTE=AaronM202;48288194]"Fact" *states opinion*[/QUOTE] Maybe try to refute it? Tell me how Valve is any different than EA and Ubisoft, I'd love to hear it. [quote]Not even going to touch the rest of that awful post.[/QUOTE] Triggered? [QUOTE=wauterboi;48288215]^ Don't worry, I will. Valve exists primarily because of mods. Many of their games started as mods. Garry's Mod started as a mod. I don't know how it is illogical and reprehensible to push for a paid mod system in a video game. I'm actually trying to make the case in the Garry's Mod 2 discussion that having a paid mod system would kickass. Have you seen some of the stuff in the Garry's Mod WAYWO? That stuff is great. And the idea that we gain the ability to make our own single-player/multiplayer games with the ease of Garry's Mod is awesome, and I would totally pay for campaigns made by those users. And so what if there's a lot of shit paid mods? Don't buy them. Also, when it comes to DRM, I haven't really had that big of an issue with Steam and in fact enjoy some features it provides, like being able to play games off of my brother's accounts. DRM isn't anything new, and in moderation it's fine. I view Steam's DRM as being moderate. I will agree with the need for quality control, but I personally have never had an issue on that front because I research games before I buy them.[/QUOTE] I believe most were in favor of rewarding modders for their work, but a pay wall would have fractured the gaming community. It really wasn't that hard to have an optional donation, but Valve kept deleted patreon's from the workshop.

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;48290673]I believe most were in favor of rewarding modders for their work, but a pay wall would have fractured the gaming community. It really wasn't that hard to have an optional donation, but Valve kept deleted patreon's from the workshop.[/QUOTE] I'm [I]sure[/I] a lot of people would have donated to Garry to put him exactly in the position he is today. Yeah man, down with Garry. Can't believe that guy wanted to be paid for a mod. Seriously, dude, do you actually think that donations are a reasonable amount of money? Do you think that people donate? No, I'm not suggesting that people should live off of their modifications, but if some guy wants to create a campaign for Bethesda, is he wrong for asking for $5 or $10 bucks for adding additional content?

HL3 will be so great it'll create world peace.

[QUOTE=booster;48290814]HL3 will be so great it'll create world peace.[/QUOTE] World peace will be one of the physics puzzles.

Honestly I don't get this whole ''HL 3/EP3 isn't getting made fuk valve'' shit. First off, even though they strayed A LOT from their standard game formula, there is no reason for them to cancel the finale to what basically made them what they are today. The amount of cash they'd get from this game would be so immense that it wouldn't even need micro transactions to be considered a successful game. I'm pretty convinced that they kept waiting this much time in order to get Source 2 out, since the Source Engine started being called outdated ever since 2011, it's obvious they want HL 3/EP 3 to look as great as ever on Source 2. Also, this wouldn't be the first time it took them ages to get a game out ( remember Team Fortress 2? Which took just as much if not more to get released ) I think this is just sensationalist shit meant to get people to bitch about valve about the wrong stuff.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48290788]I'm [I]sure[/I] a lot of people would have donated to Garry to put him exactly in the position he is today. Yeah man, down with Garry. Can't believe that guy wanted to be paid for a mod. Seriously, dude, do you actually think that donations are a reasonable amount of money? Do you think that people donate? No, I'm not suggesting that people should live off of their modifications, but if some guy wants to create a campaign for Bethesda, is he wrong for asking for $5 or $10 bucks for adding additional content?[/QUOTE] I think having a mandatory pay wall it stops being a mod and being third party DLC, a product and then there is certain demands for quality. There is really no argument for a paywall, a measly sword or an HD skin for a door is not the same as Garrys Mod.

[QUOTE=Scratch.;48290316]Rooster teeth shut the fuck down [/QUOTE] More like fun haus shot down, just because they're partnered with RT doesn't mean their opinions match.

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;48290925]More like fun haus shot down, just because they're partnered with RT doesn't mean their opinions match.[/QUOTE] It's the know Partners in crime

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;48290902]I think having a mandatory pay wall it stops being a mod and being third party DLC, a product and then there is certain demands for quality. There is really no argument for a paywall, a measly sword or an HD skin for a door is not the same as Garrys Mod.[/QUOTE] Mods change and overhaul aspects of the game as well as add content, so calling it third-party DLC wouldn't be correct by any means. [editline]25th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Scratch.;48290929]It's the know Partners in crime[/QUOTE] Ya I'm sure Geoff from achievement hunter has highly invested his opinions on the matter.

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;48290902]I think having a mandatory pay wall it stops being a mod and being third party DLC, a product and then there is certain demands for quality. There is really no argument for a paywall, a measly sword or an HD skin for a door is not the same as Garrys Mod.[/QUOTE] There's really no argument for selfie-sticks. Do you buy selfie-sticks? Or do you move on with life and put your money towards things you actually want? You're saying because someone can sell a shitty sword, someone else can't use the exact same service to sell something great. How about don't buy the sword, and give the money to someone who deserves it?

These kind of videos don't help at all. Valve didn't say anything at all about Half-Life 3 and that's the only thing we have to know about. Let Valve do what they want and announce things whenever they want, if they use silence, that's fine too. It just means calm down. Rephrasing things we already know just perpetuates this hope machine that has to be stopped before it burns out.

[QUOTE=jazzpunk;48290143]from reddit[/QUOTE] that's an incredible way of thinking that i've never really applied to any other game before, especially one so story driven like HL. makes me rethink how I design my games.

I'm mildly glad that I got into PC gaming as late as I did. HL2 had already been out for several years and I played and enjoyed it, but seeing the mountainous level of expectation for a third game over the last few years has been interesting, to say the least. Every year, fans get hyped and every year to date, they've been disappointed by no mention of the third installment. At this point it's hard to expect anything on my end, considering I have no real attachment to the series and can't muster up any excitement for HL3 in general. On the subject of paid mods: I liked the idea since I'm an artist who loves opportunities to get paid for my work and I imagine modders who put just as much work into their mods would love the same, but it's an unpopular opinion.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48287242]- Source 2 (as well as updating DOTA 2 to Source 2) (This includes their own physics engine, Rubikon) - HTC Vive - Steam controller/Steambox/Steam link - Metric ton of video game updates Whenever someone says "Valve isn't doing anything", what they really mean is "Valve isn't doing anything that I want". But if you ask the people who play CS:GO, Dota, or TF2, suddenly these updates and stuff matter. More importantly, I'm pretty hyped for the HTC Vive and if you're not into virtual reality, that's a personal problem. I understand if people aren't hyped for the Steam controller/Steambox or Steam link, but I may possibly get into if it means playing games on my living room TV with my mother and the rest of family will work better. But really, just because there isn't a game release doesn't mean nothing's happening. And it's interesting that you look to the [I]super unbiased[/I] views of someone who [I]left Valve[/I] as opposed to looking at the people who work at Valve, saying that it "just doesn't work" because so-and-so hit the chopping block or just left.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that Valve aren't do anything at all. I'm just saying that it is an objective fact that their workplace structure has recieved a lot of scrutiny from experienced developers who have worked under it, and that they've done a lot of underwhelming things in the past several years. Source 2 is great and all, not arguing that. Well, at least I can assume it is. I've not experienced a full original game on it yet so it is hard to judge so far how good it really is. The Vive seems nice but we'll see how it turns out. Keep in mind while it is backed by valve, HTC are the ones actually making it. Can't really judge how that is till it is out. I don't know anyone that actually thinks steambox and everything that goes along with it aren't huge failures and a missed potential. Steam link is cool, but not really a "feature" I'd argue makes me really love the work they are doing, or even notable enough to mention. Controller isn't out yet, can't make fair judgment on it (seeing a pattern here?). Video game updates... okay. Every game company does this. Especially when they only have a handful of games they are looking to keep updated long term. Not saying they are bad for updating, it is great they keep their several year old titles continuously updated. It is great they do, even though largely it is because they must in order to maintain playerbases. But it really doesn't come off as that big of "Yeah valve are doing it!!". It is underwhelming for me.

How can they know HL3 is never coming out? Maybe Gabe's grand child becomes a world renowned video games developer who, after two generations, brings HL3 to the future audiences, long-bored by the endless sequels to Assassin's Dudes, Call of Dudes and Battledudes.

The Know part of Rooster Teeth is the worst part of them, I really wish they never made it since most of the other shit they make is good.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;48290930] Ya I'm sure Geoff from achievement hunter has highly invested his opinions on the matter.[/QUOTE] You wouldn't publish a 15 minute video with sources like these without considerable internal discussion. The know is spread out across both rooster teeth offices. You can't really say that it's only Funhaus when 'The Know' is really a shared platform between several employees of rooster teeth, most of who have other roles within the company. But honestly, with shit like this, you blame the company/group for making the decision to trust what is a shady source.