• What is with FP and hating rap?
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[QUOTE=Kingy_who;23099776]It makes my ears hurt, I can tell why, but when I hear pop/hip hop/rap ext I have a very unpleasant feeling and need to stop hearing it as soon as possible, like some sort of phobia.[/QUOTE] confront your fears, tell yourself that its just damn music and that nobody is trying to kill you ...
For me, it's the lack of melody. If I listen to the lyrics of some rap songs, they're good - but that takes a lot of effort - I'd rather listen to, well, music, rather than rapping, no matter how deep the meaning. I think I'd tolerate rap if I tried it - I'll listen to a few eminem songs - but I'm just not bothered enough to try.
[QUOTE=mole3700;23100362]I'd rather listen to, well, music, rather than rapping, no matter how deep the meaning.[/QUOTE] Well now that is just ignorant. You don't even deserve to post in the music section, if you are going to disregard a genre that was respected like that.
Most modern "rap" that's in the charts nowadays is rubbish. There are still a few MCs around that give me hope for it though.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;23097641]Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't pop just short for popular and just really means music that is commonly played on radio. And there is SOME good music played on radio.[/QUOTE] You're right. But I still don't like pop.
[QUOTE=Akayz;23100396]Well now that is just ignorant. You don't even deserve to post in the music section, if you are going to disregard a genre that was respected like that.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that rap's bad music. I just don't want to listen to it myself, I'd rather have something with more melody that I can sit back and enjoy without having to figure out the meaning. Perhaps "music" was a bad choice of word. I didn't mean to imply that rap isn't music.
[QUOTE=mole3700;23100551]I'm not saying that rap's bad music. I just don't want to listen to it myself, I'd rather have something with more melody that I can sit back and enjoy without having to figure out the meaning. Perhaps "music" was a bad choice of word. I didn't mean to imply that rap isn't music.[/QUOTE] Fair enough :buddy: My advice would be, regardless of genre we should be able to listen to any genre with an open mind.. except for the noise genre :barf:
Oh, definitely. I may give rap another try sometime. It's a matter of knowing where to start, I guess.
[QUOTE=mole3700;23100635]Oh, definitely. I may give rap another try sometime. It's a matter of knowing where to start, I guess.[/QUOTE] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/NasIllmatic.jpg[/img] Nas - Illmatic - 1994 Give that a listen, one of my favourites. Some truly great imagery there, nobody should tell you HOW you should listen to music imo. If people want to actually analyse each lyric then thats their choice... don't be told to do otherwise as an excuse for making it sound better.
I stumbled across this forum, and registered just to say lol at this thread. I'm not sure if "Facepunch" hates hip-hop, I doubt that. But for those that do... Like En-Guage said, to hate an entire genre is ignorant. A genre is not just one "color", it's always made up of different styles / sub-genres (e.g. Electronic dance music, and Rock). If you love and appreciate music, there is no reason for you to dislike hip-hop. Of course there is nothing wrong with having musical preferences, but to disrespect something you don't know about is taking it too far. @W1z: Kid Cudi is a "commercial rap artist", he's definitely hip-pop, but there is nothing wrong that. @Reaver: Hip-hop is not just gangsters, guns, and bitches. The reason people might think this, is because that's all they will talk about in the media. "Yes, but all of those things that were about "drugs sex and killing" are... politically based." - bud Old hip-hop songs (Public Enemy, X Clan, NWA, early Ice Cube) were definitely politically motivated. Why else do you think the media slandered it so much and made it appear to be "negative"? "2Pac is a pretty good example of good rap. He talked about issues and what was wrong with the world. What you hear now is about pussy and how good it is to be a billionaire." Lol 2Pac did both, rap about real world issues and getting pussy. See, gangsta music was very popular and profitable. Record labels wanted to exploit this, but of course, commenting on society, politics, and government and wanting to bring about positive change attracts negative attention from the media. So they said, "Hey keep the bitches, guns, and drugs, but keep the politics out." It happened to punk rock also lol. [editline]11:52AM[/editline] Mole3700 If you want something melodic hip-hop wise, you're going to have to listen something newer than Illmatic, which is a classic BTW. Something melodic: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ_Y3GulpCw[/url] Older hip-hop generally wasn't technical musically because the producers were limited by their equipment.
[QUOTE=User-Maat-Re;23087231]People who hate rap have never listened to Triple 6 Mafia. [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/#"]View YouTUBE video[/URL] [URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=lZgJIz_x2oE[/URL] [/QUOTE] I've been hearing this argument so fucking much. I don't like rap, period. Not modern rap, and not old rap. I have already given it a multitude of chances, but it dissapoints me every time. It seems that rap listeners can't grasp the concept that everyone does not like the same music. It's always "pfft you haven't listened to REAL rap, if you had you would like it." Well guess what, rap isn't for everyoe. So stop being so arrogant and listen to what people say for a change.
[QUOTE=Pal13;23100709]I stumbled across this forum, and registered just to say lol at this thread. I'm not sure if "Facepunch" hates hip-hop, I doubt that. But for those that do... Like En-Guage said, to hate an entire genre is ignorant. A genre is not just one "color", it's always made up of different styles / sub-genres (e.g. Electronic dance music, and Rock). If you love and appreciate music, there is no reason for you to dislike hip-hop. Of course there is nothing wrong with having musical preferences, but to disrespect something you don't know about is taking it too far. @W1z: Kid Cudi is a "commercial rap artist", he's definitely hip-pop, but there is nothing wrong that. @Reaver: Hip-hop is not just gangsters, guns, and bitches. The reason people might think this, is because that's all they will talk about in the media. "Yes, but all of those things that were about "drugs sex and killing" are... politically based." - bud Old hip-hop songs (Public Enemy, X Clan, NWA, early Ice Cube) were definitely politically motivated. Why else do you think the media slandered it so much and made it appear to be "negative"? "2Pac is a pretty good example of good rap. He talked about issues and what was wrong with the world. What you hear now is about pussy and how good it is to be a billionaire." Lol 2Pac did both, rap about real world issues and getting pussy. See, gangsta music was very popular and profitable. Record labels wanted to exploit this, but of course, commenting on society, politics, and government and wanting to bring about positive change attracts negative attention from the media. So they said, "Hey keep the bitches, guns, and drugs, but keep the politics out." It happened to punk rock also lol. [editline]11:52AM[/editline] Mole3700 If you want something melodic hip-hop wise, you're going to have to listen something newer than Illmatic, which is a classic BTW. Something melodic: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ_Y3GulpCw[/url] Older hip-hop generally wasn't technical musically because the producers were limited by their equipment.[/QUOTE] This ladies and gentlemen, is what we call an educated and intelligent person
[QUOTE=Akayz;23100346]confront your fears, tell yourself that its just damn music and that nobody is trying to kill you ...[/QUOTE] Why have a unpleasant experience just for so called 'music'. [editline]03:43PM[/editline] It's not a fear just unpleasant.
[QUOTE=Kingy_who;23102995]Why have a unpleasant experience just for so called 'music'. [editline]03:43PM[/editline] It's not a fear just unpleasant.[/QUOTE] So the ENTIRE genre is unpleasant for you. I think you need to get the bigger picture here, i find the noise genre unpleasant for the right reasons, you find hiphop unpleasant because you have issues with not being open minded. I'm not trying to be like 'give it a chance' but your reasons are empty opinions with no substance. Tells me you are stereotyped. Good luck with that The thread is quickly turning to generalisations so its going to lose interest. Racism and banter, thats all it is :v:
[QUOTE=Akayz;23103203]So the ENTIRE genre is unpleasant for you. I think you need to get the bigger picture here, i find the noise genre unpleasant for the right reasons, you find hiphop unpleasant because you have issues with not being open minded. I'm not trying to be like 'give it a chance' but your reasons are empty opinions with no substance. Tells me you are stereotyped. Good luck with that The thread is quickly turning to generalisations so its going to lose interest. Racism and banter, thats all it is :v:[/QUOTE] You're the one being ignorant here. Rap isn't such a diverse genre as you think. It all has something in common, and that's the part we don't like.
[QUOTE=Akayz;23103203]So the ENTIRE genre is unpleasant for you. I think you need to get the bigger picture here, i find the noise genre unpleasant for the right reasons, you find hiphop unpleasant because you have issues with not being open minded. I'm not trying to be like 'give it a chance' but your reasons are empty opinions with no substance. Tells me you are stereotyped. Good luck with that The thread is quickly turning to generalisations so its going to lose interest. Racism and banter, thats all it is :v:[/QUOTE] Just live with it, I don't like rap and probably never will.
[QUOTE=mynames2long;23103535]You're the one being ignorant here. Rap isn't such a diverse genre as you think. It all has something in common, and that's the part we don't like.[/QUOTE] Enlighten me how you know so much about the genre. Why is it that it is respected and that at its highest popularity has been influential for the industry. You can call me whatever you want but i'm not the one giving excuses by generalising it by the culture out there rather than the music itself You should have a rough idea about my take on music from other threads in this section, many others are here to build on there music knowledge. But if we are going to stereotype ourselves and section ourselves aside then there is no point in having it.
[QUOTE=bud389;23096508]They weren't singing about drugs, they were singing about shit they saw ON drugs.[/QUOTE] No they weren't. Glass Onion anyone? I mean that song is basically a recommendation of a drug in song form.
'34 rap motherfuckers, break it down! :pcgaming: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubSTSICa7y8[/media]
[QUOTE=Akayz;23103836]Enlighten me how you know so much about the genre. Why is it that it is respected and that at its highest popularity has been influential for the industry. You can call me whatever you want but i'm not the one giving excuses by generalising it by the culture out there rather than the music itself You should have a rough idea about my take on music from other threads in this section, many others are here to build on there music knowledge. But if we are going to stereotype ourselves and section ourselves aside then there is no point in having it.[/QUOTE] See, there it is again. You're assuming that I've only heard the mainstream RnB crap or something, and that I judge based on stereotypes. Believe me, I have heard "real" rap. See, I have a friend who listens to this stuff, and he has tried to convince me it is good many times - played songs from many different subgenres of Rap, both old and new, mainstream and underground. And guess what, I DIDN'T LIKE IT. This is the part that you seem to be unable to accept - everybody does not like the music you like. I'm sure it has a lot of work put intoit, and it is quality, and has meaning, and so on. But that doesn't really help when you don't like the general properties of rap music, like repeated beats and long rap sequences.
I like Busdriver it sounds funny.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;23103851]No they weren't. Glass Onion anyone? I mean that song is basically a recommendation of a drug in song form.[/QUOTE] I am the walrus?
[QUOTE=mynames2long;23103991]See, there it is again. You're assuming that I've only heard the mainstream RnB crap or something, and that I judge based on stereotypes. Believe me, I have heard "real" rap. See, I have a friend who listens to this stuff, and he has tried to convince me it is good many times - played songs from many different subgenres of Rap, both old and new, mainstream and underground. And guess what, I DIDN'T LIKE IT. This is the part that you seem to be unable to accept - everybody does not like the music you like. I'm sure it has a lot of work put intoit, and it is quality, and has meaning, and so on. But that doesn't really help when you don't like the general properties of rap music, like repeated beats and long rap sequences.[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about 'tastes' so you wasted a reply
[QUOTE=TH89;23089093]It's simple--FP is comprised mostly of white nerds, and rap combines two things they're very uncomfortable with: popular music and black people. Most of them won't admit it, of course--the most you'll get is 'i only hate black people who go...' before launching into a half-remembered series of jive-talking racial stereotypes, like bud389 shows us up there. It has everything to do with socialization and very little to do with the actual characteristics of the music.[/QUOTE] Wow, that's a bit close minded, don't you think? Stereotyping everyone who doesn't like rap and telling us why we don't like it, even insulting us a little in the process. In fact I don't even mind rap, good rap that is, but 99% of it nowadays is bullshit, I just don't really listen to it.
[QUOTE=Akayz;23105225]I'm not talking about 'tastes' so you wasted a reply[/QUOTE] NO you aren't, that's my point. You're talking about generalising and racism and various other arguments to hide behind.
[QUOTE=lettuce_head;23105639]Wow, that's a bit close minded, don't you think? Stereotyping everyone who doesn't like rap and telling us why we don't like it, even insulting us a little in the process. In fact I don't even mind rap, good rap that is, but 99% of it nowadays is bullshit, I just don't really listen to it.[/QUOTE] Agree but there is more good rap than you would think
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;23099656]you're full of bullshit, we hate [B]mainstream rap[/B] to label an entire genre "shit" is ignorant[/QUOTE] I'd figure you would have been on FP long enough to find out that there is a indeed a stigma towards the genre in general. There is a small community of us that actually likes rap. [editline]12:36PM[/editline] [QUOTE=mynames2long;23102065]I've been hearing this argument so fucking much. I don't like rap, period. Not modern rap, and not old rap. I have already given it a multitude of chances, but it dissapoints me every time. It seems that rap listeners can't grasp the concept that everyone does not like the same music. It's always "pfft you haven't listened to REAL rap, if you had you would like it." Well guess what, rap isn't for everyoe. So stop being so arrogant and listen to what people say for a change.[/QUOTE] I'm on your side on this one. If someone just doesn't like rap and has sincerely given it a chance, then so be it. I mean, I don't like country.. sure there are a [b]few[/b] country songs that I do enjoy, but I just don't like the genre as a whole. I'm sure some people feel the same way about rap, you can't blame them. It is just that a lot of people on FP probably haven't given rap that chance, but if someone has then leave them alone. :v:
[QUOTE=bud389;23105084]I am the walrus?[/QUOTE] that song has nothing to do with drugs at all. look up the history of why that song was written
For the record I'm not trying to convert anyone lol. Just putting out facts and my opinions. [QUOTE=mynames2long;23103535]Rap isn't such a diverse genre as you think.[/QUOTE] Hmmm, hip-hop is probably the most diverse genre. Instrumental wise - since it samples ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_%28music%29[/url]) from almost every genre, except from more modern stuff like screamo. And lyrically - the subject matter could be anything from satanic, swag, to satanic swag. [QUOTE=mynames2long;23103991]I'm sure it has a lot of work put intoit, and it is quality, and has meaning, and so on. But that doesn't really help when you don't like the general properties of rap music, like repeated beats and long rap sequences.[/QUOTE] This is understandable. I love hip-hop. If I listen to techno, I find it repetitive and annoying, but if I keep listening and exploring the genre, I start to understand and appreciate it. The same might be true going from metal to hip-hop. [QUOTE=mynames2long;23103991]repeated beats and long rap sequences.[/QUOTE] You should take a look at modern hip-hop (past 1-2 years) again because it incorporates more drum fills, different instruments on the chorus, more complex arrangements, etc. Generally way more musical than the 80-90's. The raps are still there though. >:D [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72AbbszifEk[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwGhowNnicg[/url]
[QUOTE=Pal13;23106377]For the record I'm not trying to convert anyone lol. Just putting out facts and my opinions. Hmmm, hip-hop is probably the most diverse genre. Instrumental wise - since it samples ([URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_%28music%29[/URL]) from almost every genre, except from more modern stuff like screamo. And lyrically - the subject matter could be anything from satanic, swag, to satanic swag. This is understandable. I love hip-hop. If I listen to techno, I find it repetitive and annoying, but if I keep listening and exploring the genre, I start to understand and appreciate it. The same might be true going from metal to hip-hop. You should take a look at modern hip-hop (past 1-2 years) again because it incorporates more drum fills, different instruments on the chorus, more complex arrangements, etc. Generally way more musical than the 80-90's. The raps are still there though. >:D [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72AbbszifEk[/URL] [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwGhowNnicg[/URL][/QUOTE] It seems to me that even though some hip-hop artist sample from a lot of different genres, they still make the same thing out of it. I meann, if you turn metal into hip-hop, it's still hip-hop. Doesn't really make it a lot more diverse in my opinion. But just because you actually took your time to read and understand my post, I will listen to that anyway
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