• What is with FP and hating rap?
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[QUOTE=mynames2long;23106531]It seems to me that even though some hip-hop artist sample from a lot of different genres, they still make the same thing out of it. I meann, if you turn metal into hip-hop, it's still hip-hop. Doesn't really make it a lot more diverse in my opinion. But just because you actually took your time to read and understand my post, I will listen to that anyway[/QUOTE] I think diverse is not the word you're looking for. 'Cause diversity is aplenty if you listen. I get what you mean though.
[QUOTE=mynames2long;23106072]NO you aren't, that's my point. You're talking about generalising and racism and various other arguments to hide behind.[/QUOTE] Pretty much what has been said. I tend to think the greatest hiphop is sigificant for the industry. Diversity isnt the reason why it is great.. I am no expert but this isn't an open minded discussion so whatever i say will be disregarded unless you understand where im coming from, i understand all these comments why people find it unpleasant, i think the reasons for this can be contradicted
[QUOTE=Akayz;23106942]Pretty much what has been said. I tend to think the greatest hiphop is sigificant for the industry. Diversity isnt the reason why it is great.. I am no expert but this isn't an open minded discussion so whatever i say will be disregarded unless you understand where im coming from, i understand all these comments why people find it unpleasant, i think the reasons for this can be contradicted[/QUOTE] I understand just fine where you're coming from. You believe that I'm too close-minded to appreciate hip-hop, which isn't the case at all.
[QUOTE=mynames2long;23107010]I understand just fine where you're coming from. You believe that I'm too close-minded to appreciate hip-hop, which isn't the case at all.[/QUOTE] Some people in this thread who have made comments about culture in reference to the music have been close minded. If I am going to make an assumption about yourself, I would say you would prefer the more abstract and experimental style if you were to like it. Try this album, again one of my favourites, but it is a lot more appealing to people who find the aggressive style offensive and uninfluential, its a very unique style of hiphop. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/Madvillainy_cover.png[/img] Madvillain - Madvillainy
i love hiphop when done right, but i just never really got in the rap part, i love the old hip hop, where everything was about sampling and making a nice beat from that, instead of being gansta, and making the autotune as obvious as possible. the thing for me with rap is, that i don't care a lot for words thrown at me, i rather see vocals as an instrument, the lyrics in particular don't even have to have a a meaning. i know songs tha don't go about love, or killing hoes, that still give me the chills everytime i listen to it, simply because of the way the vocals are used as a instrument.
[QUOTE=BassB;23108174]i love hiphop when done right, but i just never really got in the rap part, i love the old hip hop, where everything was about sampling and making a nice beat from that, instead of being gansta, and making the autotune as obvious as possible. the thing for me with rap is, that i don't care a lot for words thrown at me, i rather see vocals as an instrument, the lyrics in particular don't even have to have a a meaning. i know songs tha don't go about love, or killing hoes, that still give me the chills everytime i listen to it, simply because of the way the vocals are used as a instrument.[/QUOTE] I feel the same way about vocals. Lyrics never appealed to me much as it seems to appeal to everybody else.
[QUOTE=mynames2long;23108336]I feel the same way about vocals. Lyrics never appealed to me much as it seems to appeal to everybody else.[/QUOTE] don't get me wrong i love good lyrics, but a song shouldn't rely on a story told, the lyrics should be used as much as an instrument as any other instrument, but the text itself should be good too
[QUOTE=lettuce_head;23105639]Wow, that's a bit close minded, don't you think? Stereotyping everyone who doesn't like rap and telling us why we don't like it, even insulting us a little in the process. In fact I don't even mind rap, good rap that is, but 99% of it nowadays is bullshit, I just don't really listen to it.[/QUOTE] No, it's just observing social forces at work. There are always exceptions, but when a huge majority of a given social group hold certain views, it's probably because of the social forces they experience, not because they're all precious snowflakes who inexplicably came to hold the same beliefs. That would be like saying that being born in a white conservative family in Kansas doesn't have anything to do with how someone became a Christian. Or being born in some culture where they eat bugs doesn't have anything to do with whether you like to eat bugs. The fact that most of you don't have real reasons for hating rap (rap is crap, it's not music, throw away the rappers, it's bullshit, etc) supports this--people with enough musical knowledge and depth of experience to ACTUALLY define their taste in music, instead of listening to what their friends like or some band they heard in a Need for Speed soundtrack or whatever, tend to be able to articulate rationally why they don't prefer a particular band or genre. [editline]09:04PM[/editline] [QUOTE=mynames2long;23103991]See, there it is again. You're assuming that I've only heard the mainstream RnB crap or something, and that I judge based on stereotypes. Believe me, I have heard "real" rap. See, I have a friend who listens to this stuff, and he has tried to convince me it is good many times - played songs from many different subgenres of Rap, both old and new, mainstream and underground. And guess what, I DIDN'T LIKE IT. This is the part that you seem to be unable to accept - everybody does not like the music you like. I'm sure it has a lot of work put intoit, and it is quality, and has meaning, and so on. But that doesn't really help when you don't like the general properties of rap music, like repeated beats and long rap sequences.[/QUOTE] This is what I mean when I say people who can articulate why they don't like something. I don't like much metal because I prefer stuff that's less loud and intense, with more focus on percussion. But neither of us is insecure enough to try to justify our preferences by claiming rap or metal 'is shit.' A little respect goes a long way.
[IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=2843&dateline=1277769609[/IMG]If there was a "shake hands" emote it would go here[IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=126265&dateline=1268775050[/IMG]
Also, people who say stuff like 'you've only heard mainstream rap, which sucks and isn't REAL rap' are doing the genre a disservice. Instead of defending it against attacks that are basically without merit, like 'it's shit,' they instead try to funnel that hate toward artists they personally don't like. It's like saying 'it's wrong to be racist against Arabs! It's just those Kuwaitis who are shitheads'
[QUOTE=TH89;23089093]It's simple--FP is comprised mostly of white nerds, and rap combines two things they're very uncomfortable with: popular music and black people. Most of them won't admit it, of course--the most you'll get is 'i only hate black people who go...' before launching into a half-remembered series of jive-talking racial stereotypes, like bud389 shows us up there. It has everything to do with socialization and very little to do with the actual characteristics of the music.[/QUOTE] This man speaks the truff.
I don't mind rap. A lot of it can be pretty good. Of course there are bad artists that get played a lot, but this is true of any genre. The main thing I dislike a lot about hip hop is that it is more vocal orientated from what I've heard. I like more a focus on the music with some instrumental solos, but that's just my preference.
I don't hate rap. I hate that mainstream shit that's being passed off as rap. I do enjoy REAL rap, but there's a lot of shit that's played all over the radio that all the 12 year olds listen to, which is just emotionless, talentless shit.
i heart rap
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;23125877]I don't hate rap. I hate that mainstream shit that's being passed off as rap. I do enjoy REAL rap, but there's a lot of shit that's played all over the radio that all the 12 year olds listen to, which is just emotionless, talentless shit.[/QUOTE] :trashbear:
[QUOTE=mynames2long;23109659][IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=2843&dateline=1277769609[/IMG]If there was a "shake hands" emote it would go here[IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=126265&dateline=1268775050[/IMG][/QUOTE] There is, it's respect or something.
Although I wouldn't call myself a fan of rap, there's some stuff from the 80s and 90s that I quite like. I certainly don't hate it.
[QUOTE=Errorproxy;23131028]There is, it's respect or something.[/QUOTE] :respek: that look like a handshake to you?
[QUOTE=TH89;23110057]Also, people who say stuff like 'you've only heard mainstream rap, which sucks and isn't REAL rap' are doing the genre a disservice. Instead of defending it against attacks that are basically without merit, like 'it's shit,' they instead try to funnel that hate toward artists they personally don't like. It's like saying 'it's wrong to be racist against Arabs! It's just those Kuwaitis who are shitheads'[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=mikeyt493;23125877]I don't hate rap. I hate that mainstream shit that's being passed off as rap. I do enjoy REAL rap, but there's a lot of shit that's played all over the radio that all the 12 year olds listen to, which is just emotionless, talentless shit.[/QUOTE] :derp:
[QUOTE=Akayz;23107224]Some people in this thread who have made comments about culture in reference to the music have been close minded. If I am going to make an assumption about yourself, I would say you would prefer the more abstract and experimental style if you were to like it. Try this album, again one of my favourites, but it is a lot more appealing to people who find the aggressive style offensive and uninfluential, its a very unique style of hiphop. Madvillain - Madvillainy[/QUOTE] Pretty rad album. I like the approach. Cover is pretty awesome as well (if that isn't blazingly obvious *looks left*).
Rap, it's serious fucking business
I don't particularly HATE rap as a genre, I just don't enjoy listening to it as much as I do to other genres. Therefore I just avoid listening to it because I have the choice of listening to something I enjoy or something I don't enjoy as much.
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;23148351]Rap, it's serious fucking business[/QUOTE] Only for backpackers.
FP doesn't hate rap? There is like just as many Rap threads as there is for Rock. But clearly metal is the favorite genre here.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDKwCvD56kw[/media] Closest thing to rap I like. Rap isn't my cup of tea, it's not like OH IT'S HORRIBLE I FUCKING HATE RAPPERS AND THEY'RE SHIT, but I don't really like listening to it if I have some kind of choice.
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;23125877]I don't hate rap. I hate that mainstream shit that's being passed off as rap. I do enjoy REAL rap, but there's a lot of shit that's played all over the radio that all the 12 year olds listen to, which is just emotionless, talentless shit.[/QUOTE] Mainstream rap is really hit-or-miss, with artists like Kid Cudi, Lupe Fiasco and Kanye West that, for the most part, embody good mainstream rap. For instance: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl83mI69nX4[/media] To be honest, there's just about as much crappy underground rap as there is crappy mainstream rap. For instance, I was at a show with a couple friends, and we were all there for the last two artists, but some of the rappers that came first were just god awful. One began with a technical "campfire song", frighteningly happy and, though this term may get me some flak, white. However, his next song immediately launched into him screaming about how 9/11 was a hoax, unleashing a whole pandora's box of conspiracy theories, it was just terrible. The rapper before him was dressed in the typical "wankster" garb, long white shirt and sweatpants. I can't really attest to his actual rapping skills though, because he cupped the mic so badly that nobody could tell what he was saying. Then this guy played and it was all better: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zo7U4Xhehk[/media]
I listen to Soulja Boy and all that shit, like when I'm in the car with people or at a party, but thats because that music is FUN. I'm not trying to find the deeper meaning in some poetic song when I'm driving around with my friends. It's funny and stupid and thats why I like it. Don't get me wrong, I listen to like Talib Kwali, Lupe Fiasco, Immortal Technique, JMT, Tupac, etc etc etc, but sometimes I just want to listen to something dumb that makes people dance.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkvWOAJeZmM[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5e5FUvRzNQ[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnGNOiFll4[/media] i think this is hip hop technically but i fucking suck at genres so whatever
Here is some of that old classic stuff. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ev_Ehzf5SE&feature=related[/media] [editline]10:19PM[/editline] None of that gangsta shit man.
Rap isn't my shit, my whole life my parents listened to rock and metal, my favorite childhood radio station, I still listen to it. It's not as good as before but whatever. 101.1 WRIF. Detroit's home of rock! [url]http://www.wrif.com/home.aspx[/url]
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