[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;36070455]Please do not criticize this as the last time I checked it was years ago and it was mostly second hand knowledge.
The US never got out of the depression, Russia became a much larger super power and eventually the two came to blows since Russia never dropped out of power.
[editline]23rd May 2012[/editline]
You didn't catch the whole "what a beautiful world we destroyed" and other ninety thousand nuclear war references?[/QUOTE]
I've... not actually played through the entirety of the first game.
Every time it's gone on sale I've been completely broke :v:
[QUOTE=ewitwins;36070027]Wait, so [sp]the global conditions in Metro:2033 were created because of a nuclear war? I thought it involved some sort of extraterrestrial occurance or something along the lines of an asteroid.[/sp]
Can someone give me a quick rundown?[/QUOTE]
as far as most people know it involved nukes, but even the people who were around long before the war either don't know much more than everyone else or don't like to talk about it. the book implies (or at least I remember it implying) that the mutants aren't entirely to do with radiation, and it more or less outright says that the reason the cities are still intact is because Moscow was mostly hit with bio-weapons and other such nasty things rather than nukes, which would level the whole place. plus as far as I know the people inside the Kremlin were killed by gassing the place, [sp]resulting in the formation of a weird liquid fleshy thing that lures people in and digests them, which is defeated by singing the Russian national anthem somehow[/sp]
the book elaborates on it much more than the game, which as far as I know just has something to do with missiles and pissing off NATO, and that's about all we're told. it really isn't about the war, you can fill in the gaps if you really want to.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;36070485]I've... not actually played through the entirety of the first game.
Every time it's gone on sale I've been completely broke :v:[/QUOTE]
SOME ONE GIFT THIS MAN THE GAME IMMEDIATELY.
delicious
When I first played Metro 2033, I got the bad ending. Only because I didn't do small 'good' things. I hope they take that out. I hope they implement different takes on the character.
Like perhaps if he takes one route, the script changes to a different level and downfall, or uprising.
Or if he takes one route, he can lead the humans back to the surface and co-exist with the Dark Ones.
The ending kinda was a hanger for more opportunities. I wonder how Last Light will start off, with you either saving the Dark Ones or Destroying them from the first one.
I hope the former, because the Dark Ones seem really knowledge able, where as the mutants are well, just mutants that kill people.
[QUOTE=SatansSin;36070742]The ending kinda was a hanger for more opportunities. I wonder how Last Light will start off, with you either saving the Dark Ones or Destroying them from the first one.
I hope the former, because the Dark Ones seem really knowledge able, where as the mutants are well, just mutants that kill people.[/QUOTE]
they confirmed that the worse ending was the canon one
it wouldn't make for much of a game if you were effectively allied with 90% of the mutants and your allies could more or less completely control the will of men until they fixed all the radiation and shit
[QUOTE=SatansSin;36070742]When I first played Metro 2033, I got the bad ending. Only because I didn't do small 'good' things. I hope they take that out. I hope they implement different takes on the character.
Like perhaps if he takes one route, the script changes to a different level and downfall, or uprising.
Or if he takes one route, he can lead the humans back to the surface and co-exist with the Dark Ones.
The ending kinda was a hanger for more opportunities. I wonder how Last Light will start off, with you either saving the Dark Ones or Destroying them from the first one.
I hope the former, because the Dark Ones seem really knowledge able, where as the mutants are well, just mutants that kill people.[/QUOTE]
I liked the good/bad person system in Metro 2033, it would be really dumb if the whole tunnel system is gonna go to shit if you take a left turn instead of a right.
tbh i had no idea that good/bad thing existed until months after i finished it when i found out there were 2 endings
I love the apocalyptic setting and the tension in the game, I enjoyed it a lot, even though it runs like crap on the new PC for some strange reason. Still a game I will never forget, though I would like to read the book and I'm so hyped for Last Light.
In reply to the spoilers about the book in the first page, think Khan will be in this? I loved Khan.
Obviously he'd be younger then, but i want to see more and more about him. He was very dark and mystic, yet so peaceful that he'd be the kind of guy I'd want to tag along with in the apocalypse.
[QUOTE=Cone;36070544]as far as most people know it involved nukes, but even the people who were around long before the war either don't know much more than everyone else or don't like to talk about it. the book implies (or at least I remember it implying) that the mutants aren't entirely to do with radiation, and it more or less outright says that the reason the cities are still intact is because Moscow was mostly hit with bio-weapons and other such nasty things rather than nukes, which would level the whole place. plus as far as I know the people inside the Kremlin were killed by gassing the place, [sp]resulting in the formation of a weird liquid fleshy thing that lures people in and digests them, which is defeated by singing the Russian national anthem somehow[/sp]
the book elaborates on it much more than the game, which as far as I know just has something to do with missiles and pissing off NATO, and that's about all we're told. it really isn't about the war, you can fill in the gaps if you really want to.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, if I remember correctly, the Enemy attacked Moscow with biological weapons because they wanted to preserve the Kremlin, which was a "monument to the greatness of man" or something like that.
However, if I remember correctly, the Kremlin [sp]was also a place where an experimental defensive power or something was being engineered, and when it interacted with the biological weapons the Enemy used, it created the Red Star anomaly and manifested the liquid flesh inside the Kremlin.
The Red Star anomaly is the most prominent anomaly in the book, and Artyom is told repeatedly in the book that if he ever goes to the surface, to never give the Kremlin more than a glance - and to avoid even doing that much, if at all possible. Something about the defensive technology and the bio-weapons gave the Red Star the ability to mesmerize anyone who looked at it, brainwashing them into entering the Kremlin, to be devoured by the liquid flesh.
The reason Artyom and the others were able to repel the liquid flesh with the Russian national anthem is that the gasses in the Kremlin created a feeling of despair and hopelessness, which the liquid flesh feasted on - the more despaired and anguished people became, the more willing they were to be consumed by the flesh [they would simply give up the will to live and let the flesh eat them]. The whole scene with the national anthem is both an example of Russian patriotism, and of the "light shining in the darkest hour" - it gives the soldiers enough morale to throw off the chains of destitute the gasses create, and trek through the Kremlin.[/sp]
Honestly, the book has a [b]LOT[/b] more cool stuff in it than the game does, such as what we just discussed, the tribe that worships the World Worm, and a lot of philosophical questionings and socio-political questionings. It's just, the book is far more a thinker book than anything else, which drags the story's pacing to a crawl, with not much action or excitement in between.
The game definitely cut down on the philosophy and socio-politics for excitement and action, but I think they struck a strong balance with it.
When Artyom(? I've never played the game) opened up the metro doors there should have been the deteriorated skeletons of the people who didn't make it in the doors in time, that would've been so cool.
[QUOTE=Yogkog;36073660]When Artyom(? I've never played the game) opened up the metro doors there should have been the deteriorated skeletons of the people who didn't make it in the doors in time, that would've been so cool.[/QUOTE]
In the game, there was a nuclear winter before the summer, so chances are they would have been washed away by the 10 feet of snow melting.
But that would have been cool.
It couldn't be Artyom because he only gets separated from his mother when his home station gets overrun by rats and his mother hands him over to a soldier who retreats to exhibition.
I'd pay for a Metro film any day.
[QUOTE=desertdog11;36074403]It couldn't be Artyom because he only gets separated from his mother when his home station gets overrun by rats and his mother hands him over to a soldier who retreats to exhibition.[/QUOTE]
As already discussed, Dmitry and 4A have already been very liberal in changing fairly important events in the book when making the game.
It is entirely feasible that they decided that Artyom was a survivor baby, and his mother was left to die when the missiles rained down.
metro 2033 was the best 450 pages ive ever read, because it's so much more than just shooting creatures and surviving in post-apocalyptic Moscow
I woke up once while exactly this siren was active
I was like, if it's real, fuck everything and let me sleep
Turns out it was a test :v:
I like the good/bad system in metro2033.It doesn't go "DO THIS TO GET GOOD POINTS FOR GOOD ENDING" and more of "if you want to be,you can be a total bro and improve the lives of these virtual men(oh and it affects the endings if you didn't do your research)"
[editline]24th May 2012[/editline]
I'm doubtful of the story for Last Light.The last game got the dark ones which can do sick telepathy and [sp]are actually mutant humans[/b].What this game is about from what I've read up is about defending D-6 or preventing the Reds and The Nazis from getting their hands on some superweapon.
(Also saw the mutant at the end of the E3 Demo.It doesn't look very fitting in the universe IMO)
[editline]24th May 2012[/editline]
Also I didn't manage to get a glimpse of the video some of you guys have seen in this thread.I hope it will make me lose those doubts
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc9LNwddfLE[/media] Trailer is officially out
[QUOTE=Matrix374;36077769]When this game from what I've read up is about defending D-6 or preventing the Reds and The Nazis from getting their hands on some superweapon.[/QUOTE]
lolno, the game is about saving your station (and then whole subway) from attacking mutants
I find it strange that 2034 still hasn't been translated into English, but is in Spanish and Finnish etc.
Also a tip for first-time Metro readers: Listen to the Metro 2033 game OST and the STALKER ambient tracks while reading. Really improves the experience.
[QUOTE=qwerty000;36079240]lolno, the game is about saving your station (and then whole subway) from attacking mutants[/QUOTE]
That's the last game. He's talking Last Light.
[editline]24th May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;36079609]I find it strange that 2034 still hasn't been translated into English, but is in Spanish and Finnish etc.
Also a tip for first-time Metro readers: Listen to the Metro 2033 game OST and the STALKER ambient tracks while reading. Really improves the experience.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty certain that they're waiting for the release of Last Light so they can rake in as much cash as possible.
I can never find a place to order the book in English for a reasonable amount of money.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;36082792]I can never find a place to order the book in English for a reasonable amount of money.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Dmitri-Glukhovski/e/B003X0960E/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_2?qid=1337893968&sr=8-2[/url]
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];36080197']That's the last game. He's talking Last Light.
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There must be something wrong with my eyes, I read that as "the book was X, but the game was about preventing the Reds and The Nazis from getting their hands on some superweapon"
[QUOTE=qwerty000;36087755]There must be something wrong with my eyes, I read that as "the book was X, but the game was about preventing the Reds and The Nazis from getting their hands on some superweapon"[/QUOTE]
I think he's saying "What this game is about from what I've read is..."
[QUOTE=J!NX;36072621]In reply to the spoilers about the book in the first page, think Khan will be in this? I loved Khan.
Obviously he'd be younger then, but i want to see more and more about him. He was very dark and mystic, yet so peaceful that he'd be the kind of guy I'd want to tag along with in the apocalypse.[/QUOTE]
If i recall it correctly, in the book Khan [sp]is a rather scary and extremelly manipulative individual [/sp]
But then again, i don't remember much about him, i really should re-read this book.
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