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[QUOTE=Turrngait;16708890][url]http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw_asia_pacific/media_center/press_releases/01_20_2009_51771.php[/url][/QUOTE] Yes, I know they violate laws, we have already established that they are in Australian territory without permit. However I very, very seriously doubt that they violate international whaling laws.

[QUOTE=hurts;16708931]Yes, I know they violate laws, we have already established that they are in Australian territory without permit. However I very, very seriously doubt that they violate international whaling laws.[/QUOTE] THAT IS INTERNATIONAL WHALING LAW. Fffffffff.

[QUOTE=Turrngait;16708910]Meh, I'd take it along with several other factors. Plus every country has that to a greater or lesser extent. They're the lowest common denominator.[/QUOTE] Yes, but as I said, It's the difference between a country which contains leprosy, and one which has huge corporations that make billions selling leprosy to vapid uninteresting whores with no lives outside of ungodly amounts of alcohol and thick, thick makeup.

Well then maybe the Australian government should do something about ti and not these Sea Shepard idiots...no one will really listen to a whiny punch of hippies with no power

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;16708902]That's doubtful, for the amount of equipment necessary to whale, I'd assume it would be done by the same parties hunting the minkes, especially since minkes are one of the smallest whale species on earth. Meaning it would be a bit strange for privateering black market pirates to be able to do the same hauls with larger whales and get away with it.[/QUOTE] There are private groups with the amount of money necessary to do some illegal whaling, just as there are poachers in Africa and such.

[QUOTE=InsanePyro;16708952]Well then maybe the Australian government should do something about ti and not these Sea Shepard idiots...no one will really listen to a whiny punch of hippies with no power[/QUOTE] Well if they had no power I doubt anyone would be bitching about them.

[QUOTE=InsanePyro;16708952]Well then maybe the Australian government should do something about ti and not these Sea Shepard idiots...no one will really listen to a whiny punch of hippies with no power[/QUOTE] I know, We talked about this. The faggots won't do anything that could strain relations.

[QUOTE=Turrngait;16708910]Meh, I'd take it along with several other factors. Plus every country has that to a greater or lesser extent. They're the lowest common denominator. [editline]04:59AM[/editline] [url]http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw_asia_pacific/media_center/press_releases/01_20_2009_51771.php[/url] Durrrrr hurrrrr yawpyawpyawpyawp![/QUOTE] Are you deaf or something? HUMP BACK WHALES AND THE ANTARCTIC FLEET. THIS IS THE TOPIC AT HAND. It has been established that there are laws violated by the Japanese whaling fleet in the Antarctic. Yet you have still not made a case for the meat of hump backs and blue whales coming from Antarctica. Not to mention, in that article they say "INEXCUSABLE RAWR" but I do not see a single example of anything illegal in that article.

[QUOTE=Turrngait;16708837][url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200511/s1499924.htm[/url] [url]http://www.highnorth.no/Library/Publications/Iceland/wh-an-in.htm[/url] Japanese whalers aren't obeying international laws. What's the fucking issue here?[/QUOTE] You are right, they don't obey international law.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;16708964]Well if they had no power I doubt anyone would be bitching about them.[/QUOTE] They're like flies...we're only bitching about them because they're annoying...not of any actual power

[QUOTE=OvB;16708983]You are right, they don't obey international law.[/QUOTE] An for this, We need to do something. Unfortunately the only people with the stones are frigging hippies with no grasp of political process.

[QUOTE=Turrngait;16708944]THAT IS INTERNATIONAL WHALING LAW. Fffffffff.[/QUOTE] That is Australian law. The law they broke is that they have no legal right to be whaling in Australia's territorial waters. I fail to comprehend what this has to do with the IWC.

[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;16708958]There are private groups with the amount of money necessary to do some illegal whaling, just as there are poachers in Africa and such.[/QUOTE] Uhm, I thought the people doing the "legal" whaling were part of a private group to begin with. Oh and I know this actually doesn't really have much of a bearing, but it's a slight flaw on your part. 2 different species. [quote]The 2007/08 JARPA mission had a quota of 900 minke whales and 50 fin whales[/quote]

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;16709023]Uhm, I thought the people doing the "legal" whaling were part of a private group to begin with.[/QUOTE] Shhhh. Big secret! Japan's government is apparently in control.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;16709023]Uhm, I thought the people doing the "legal" whaling were part of a private group to begin with. Oh and I know this actually doesn't really have much of a bearing, but it's a slight flaw on your part. 2 different species.[/QUOTE] You consider a company a "private group"? No, really, it's a question.

[QUOTE=hurts;16709064]You consider a company a "private group"? No, really, it's a question.[/QUOTE] Uh yes. Yes that's because that's what it is.

[QUOTE=hurts;16709064]You consider a company a "private group"? No, really, it's a question.[/QUOTE] What? Yeah, that's what a company is man. Get with the program dood. This is basic capitalism.

[QUOTE=slippp22;16703944]the sea sheppard is full of hippies, especially the one guy who doesnt believe in computers/radar etc Also, what is throwing tear gas at a boat going to do when the crew is inside the bridge?[/QUOTE] Was probably answered earlier but too lazy to search through the thread They throw a type of acid that smells really bad and taints the whale meat so it can't be sold. They're not really aiming at the Japanese crew members, but at the meat. The Japanese aren't really "researching", as they say there are. They're just using the "research" loophole so that they can sell the meat. They're not allowed to waste any part of the whale so they say they're esearching and then they sell pretty much the whole whale to the markets. That's where the controversy is. I don't understand why you need more than 20 of the same type of whale to find out more about them. :| But okay.

It is, but not quite, a private group is much less disclosed. And, I heard somewhere that the whalers were supported by the Japanese government. Not saying it's true, but could we get a source on the possibility?

Wait, what are we arguing about again? The morals of whaling? or the legality of the Japanese?

It's probably true, but I'm just pointing out that they are a private company and not a government institution. [editline]01:16AM[/editline] [quote]The research is conducted by the Institute of Cetacean Research (ICR), a privately-owned, non-profit institution.[/quote]

This show is so fucking stupid, "Awwww the poor wales, boohoo".

[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;16707737]It's not as much that it's illegal, it's that what they are doing is hardly for research. The entirety of their wanting to hunt the whales is for profit, it always has been. Japan has been whaling for hundreds of years, and they won't stop anytime soon. Captain Watson is a nutcase though, he has no idea what he's doing, and puts the lives of his crew below that of an animal. There's a reason he was kicked out of Green Peace, probably because of half it's name.[/QUOTE] Then again, Greenpeace is almost as bad as PETA. [i]almost[/i] [QUOTE=SnakeHead;16709225]This show is so fucking stupid, "Awwww the poor wales, boohoo".[/QUOTE] Wales is in danger? Holy shit, that's a whole 'nother matter!

Part of the email they sent me. [code]Research under Article VIII is very controversial among IWC members. While some Contracting Governments support this right – and Japan’s research programmes, other Contracting Governments believe that inter alia the killing of whales for research purposes to be unnecessary given other research techniques now available. The Commission has adopted many Resolutions in the past by majority voting urging Japan and others to inter alia refrain from issuing ‘special permits’ and not to conduct such programmes in IWC sanctuaries but such Resolutions are not legally binding. The Resolutions are available on our website should you be interested in consulting them (go to: http://www.iwcoffice.org/meetings/resolutions/resolutionmain.htm). While Japan’s research programme takes place in the IWC Southern Ocean Sanctuary, I am not sufficiently familiar with the Australian Whale Sanctuary to comment on Japan’s activities in relation to this sanctuary. You may therefore wish to contact Ms Donna Petrachenko, Australia’s Commissioner to IWC. Yours sincerely, Dr Nicky Grandy Secretary to the Commission International Whaling Commission The Red House, 135 Station Road, Impington, Cambridge, CB24 9NP UK [/code] Shall I contact Australia’s Commissioner to IWC and get to the bottom of this?

You should. See what's up.

emailed the Aussie commissioner: [code]Dear Donna Petrachenko, My question is about the Southern Australian Whale Sanctuary off the Antarctic coast.(http://www.environment.gov.au/coasts/species/cetaceans/sanctuary.html) I am aware that the Japanese have hunted minke whales within the boundary of this sanctuary in the past. Do they continue to Hunt in these waters or have they halted their operations? I know that the Australian Government had made it an offense to kill whales within the sanctuaries. If they continue to hunt in the sanctuary is Australia going to do anything about it? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7188674.stm) Would you be able to point me in the direction of Japans Commissioner to the IWC? Thank you for your time, Alex Vollmer [/code] Also found this: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7188674.stm[/url] "The Federal Court said Japan had broken domestic law by killing whales in Australian waters off Antarctica. It is not clear what effect the ruling will have, as Japan does not recognise Australia's Antarctic claim. "

[QUOTE=OvB;16709700]Also found this: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7188674.stm[/url] "The Federal Court said Japan had broken domestic law by killing whales in Australian waters off Antarctica. It is not clear what effect the ruling will have, as Japan does not recognise Australia's Antarctic claim. "[/QUOTE] So then the whalers actually are supported by the Japanese government, if Japan is being punished for it, correct?

You have to realize that organizations can be supported by the government without being government organizations. Otherwise half the wealth of the US would currently be considered unprivatized government institutions.

Watched it a while ago. About as entertaining as waiting in line at the DMV.

[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;16709767]So then the whalers actually are supported by the Japanese government, if Japan is being punished for it, correct?[/QUOTE] The JWA is privately run, but Japan is still a member of the IWC, which is failing to regulate their own nations whalers. However, I believe the Japanese government stands behind their whalers because of the whole cultural and economic reasons.