[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44697576]So, why would you believe in one word in the bible but not the other?[/quote]
Maybe because you're someone who takes the Bible seriously but not necessarily literally, embracing a more interpretive, metaphorical understanding; emphasizes orthopraxy instead of orthodoxy (right actions over right beliefs); embraces reason as well as paradox and mystery---instead of blind allegiance to rigid doctrines and dogmas; does not consider homosexuality to be sinful; and does not claim that Christianity is the only valid or viable way to connect to God (is non-exclusive). In that case you're also probably someone who believes in theistic evolution.
I'd wager that be one reason why.
[QUOTE=One Ear Ninja;44697655]woah woah now[/QUOTE]
what is the point of a sermon but to be told what gods word is? why is it that only the priests and monks of the times could read the bible and tell the parishioners what to think?
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[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;44697662]Maybe because you're someone who takes the Bible seriously but not necessarily literally, embracing a more interpretive, metaphorical understanding; emphasizes orthopraxy instead of orthodoxy (right actions over right beliefs); embraces reason as well as paradox and mystery---instead of blind allegiance to rigid doctrines and dogmas; does not consider homosexuality to be sinful; and does not claim that Christianity is the only valid or viable way to connect to God (is non-exclusive). In that case you're also probably someone who believes in theistic evolution.
I'd wager that be one reason why.[/QUOTE]
yes, pluralism.
again, that person is discarding everything that makes the bible, the bible, and just agreeing that we should be treating each other well
so what's the point
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44697636]No, they do exist. You're really not getting the argument at all.
Religion is not about thinking for yourself. Religion is an old world explanation of how we are here and why we are here. it could very well be true for all we know. As a believer of a religion, to discard a tenant of the religion and make your own decisions shows you, yourself, do not actually need a religion in order to make 'moral' decisions'. Because of this, there's an inherit hypocrisy in being religious, but not believing in the tenants of the religion itself.
I'm saying that the people who can pick and choose what morals they like the best out of a book of fables are surely capable of just dropping the rest of it and continuing on.
I don't like playing the no true scotsman argument, but the idea behind religion is that it's true and its the word of god. How do you exactly pick what word of god is right and wrong without, mentally elevating yourself above your chosen god?[/QUOTE]
It's important to realize that religion was filtered through man. The concept of divinity was inherent, but if you were to actually study theology, one of the first things you learn is that the bible was written as a report - many perspectives recording significant events. You're arguing about something you don't even know about. By deciding which things regard as valid is not a matter of putting one's self over God, but putting yourself over the times of which any religious writing. The bible is as cultural as it religious.
Wow, I didn't know /pol/ invaded facepunch.
[QUOTE=Orkel;44687810]This guy says exactly what I think. I don't hate muslims, I hate islam.[/QUOTE]
I seriously thought all moderators were tolerant and not ignorant people.
So, what do you hate about islam. I find it silly that you hate islam but not muslims, because muslims follow islamic rules. If you mean that you "don't hate people" then you should say that instead, because one of the most idiotic things one can say is that they have nothing against christians/muslims/jews but they hate christianity/islam/judaism
LINK YOUR SOURCES FROM THE QURAN, PREFERABLY FROM [url]http://quran.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=One Ear Ninja;44697697]It's important to realize that religion was filtered through man. The concept of divinity was inherent, but if you were to actually study theology, one of the first things you learn is that the bible was written as a report - many perspectives recording significant events. You're arguing about something you don't even know about. By deciding which things regard as valid is not a matter of putting one's self over God, but putting yourself over the times of which any religious writing. The bible is as cultural as it religious.[/QUOTE]
Oh, thanks for that very brief very basic history of religions 101.
Yeah, and it was later passed off as the word of truth. As much as we'd like to believe that the church didn't call the shots for a huge period of time, they did. with lethal force.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44697673]what is the point of a sermon but to be told what gods word is? why is it that only the priests and monks of the times could read the bible and tell the parishioners what to think?
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yes, pluralism.
again, that person is discarding everything that makes the bible, the bible, and just agreeing that we should be treating each other well
so what's the point[/QUOTE]
Humans inherently require a source of higher calling. It's a proven fact that without a belief in divinity, humanity would go insane.
Among other reasons, that's why religion is widely followed.
[QUOTE=One Ear Ninja;44697734]Humans inherently require a source of higher calling. It's a proven fact that without a belief in divinity, humanity would go insane.
Among other reasons, that's why religion is widely followed.[/QUOTE]
no that isn't a proven fact
[QUOTE=One Ear Ninja;44697734]Humans inherently require a source of higher calling. It's a proven fact that without a belief in divinity, humanity would go insane.
Among other reasons, that's why religion is widely followed.[/QUOTE]
shit, seriously?
fuck i need to find a religion fast, i'm probably going to turn soon
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44697673]
again, that person is discarding everything that makes the bible, the bible, and just agreeing that we should be treating each other well
so what's the point[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure why you seem to think being an atheist is a prequisite to being a rational, selfless, self-thinking being. At this point you're asking for justification of an apparent paradox of people who are both capable of---[I]gasp[/I]---critical thinking and the ability to think for themselves, and also have religious beliefs.
Don't know what to tell you honestly.
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;44697800][B]I'm not sure why you seem to think being an atheist is a prequisite to being a rational, selfless, self-thinking being. [/B]At this point you're asking for justification of an apparent paradox of people who are both capable of---[I]gasp[/I]---critical thinking and the ability to think for themselves, and also have religious beliefs.
Don't know what to tell you honestly.[/QUOTE]
can you do me a favour
can you point out where I said this
[QUOTE=One Ear Ninja;44697734]Humans inherently require a source of higher calling. It's a proven fact that without a belief in divinity, humanity would go insane.
Among other reasons, that's why religion is widely followed.[/QUOTE]
It possibly did back then due to lack of rational explanation for things like sun and natural disasters and what not. Not today.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44697739]no that isn't a proven fact[/QUOTE]
Read for yourself
[url]http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/religdes.htm[/url] - Ohio State University publishing
[url]http://www.apa.org/monitor/2010/12/believe.aspx[/url]
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44697636]No, they do exist. You're really not getting the argument at all.
Religion is not about thinking for yourself.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44697806]can you do me a favour
can you point out where I said this[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44697806]can you do me a favour
can you point out where I said this[/QUOTE]
[quote]If you believe in your chosen god, and religion, islam, christiainity, judaism, and you believe sincerely in these things, to take it upon yourself to disagree with the book, the religion itself, the tenants of the religion, to not follow that religion to the tee is thinking for yourself in a way the religion doesn't advocate. [B]If you've made it that far, that you're willing to pick and choose which of gods words matter, then clearly you should just take the next logical step and start thinking for yourself without the requirement of religions beliefs that create a strange contradiction[/B][/quote]
Who exactly gets to decide what the "next logical step" is? Not you.
[QUOTE=One Ear Ninja;44697836]Read for yourself
[url]http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/religdes.htm[/url] - Ohio State University publishing
[url]http://www.apa.org/monitor/2010/12/believe.aspx[/url]
[editline]1st May 2014[/editline][/QUOTE]
that doesn't say much about the validity of religions. it just says we needed a force to group us together really.
that's not news.
being a religious or non religious doesn't make one an atheist.
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[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;44697859]Who exactly gets to decide what the "next logical step" is? Not you.[/QUOTE]
we all get to decide it
but choosing to believe that the world was created by a creator god without evidence isn't logical
i'm not advocating for atheism. just for skepticism and doubt.
Stats exist to suggest that people who openly adopt religion are happier in life in a multitude of different ways. Blaming the religion alone for world issues, and saying that all religious followers are brainless bible/quran-thumpers is too broad a statement and generalizes too many people.
[QUOTE=One Ear Ninja;44697894]Stats exist to suggest that people who openly adopt religion are happier in life in a multitude of different ways. Blaming the religion alone for world issues, and saying that all religious followers are brainless bible/quran-thumpers is too broad a statement and generalizes too many people.[/QUOTE]
never said either of those things.
i've seen those stats. I feel like it doesn't really matter though. What we like to be true and truth don't always line up.
Studies that show that religious groups help our mental health show just that. Not the validity of religious thought though.
I'm disgusted at the amount of pro-Islam in this thread. It's sickening that a society like this exists today.
I mean it's just a small fraction of the posters, but even that is too much.
[QUOTE=Mr_Awesome;44697993]I'm disgusted at the amount of pro-Islam in this thread. It's sickening that a society like this exists today.
I mean it's just a small fraction of the posters, but even that is too much.[/QUOTE]
I am a muslim, and I love my religion.
Could you tell me what makes me disgusting?
[QUOTE=Sokrates;44698033]I am a muslim, and I love my religion.
Could you tell me what makes me disgusting?[/QUOTE]
You're not disgusting. Your religion is disgusting. The fact your religion openly practices the killing of homosexuals is disgusting. The fact your religion blames a woman for being raped is disgusting. The fact these things are legal in Islamic countries is disgusting. Among several other things.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;44698033]I am a muslim, and I love my religion.[/QUOTE]
Really because after stepping back a bit and seeing what abnormal and immoral things are done because of it, at first hand no less, and some rather convincing arguments against religion I dropped Islam like a sack of bricks
There are so much better things than religion to find meaning
A lot of the people in this thread need to understand that no one here "hates" Muslims. We just strongly oppose Islam, as the video stated.
Hell, I'm thinking that some of you didn't even watch the video and just read the title. What is this, SH?
[QUOTE=Mr_Awesome;44698056]You're not disgusting. Your religion is disgusting. The fact your religion openly practices the killing of homosexuals is disgusting. The fact your religion blames a woman for being raped is disgusting. The fact these things are legal in Islamic countries is disgusting. Among several other things.[/QUOTE]
Could you back up what you just said with proof, so that I can reply accordingly.
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[QUOTE=Lepaz;44698191]A lot of the people in this thread need to understand that no one here "hates" Muslims. We just strongly oppose Islam, as the video stated.
Hell, I'm thinking that some of you didn't even watch the video and just read the title. What is this, SH?[/QUOTE]
Hating islam is the same as hating a muslim, as a muslim is a follower of islam.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;44698215]Could you back up what you just said with proof, so that I can reply accordingly.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an[/url]
islam has a lot of specific stuff in it that's pretty bad honestly.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;44698215]Could you back up what you just said with proof, so that I can reply accordingly.
[/QUOTE]
It would be a pleasure.
[URL="http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Homosexuality#Treatment_of_Homosexuals"]http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Homosexuality#Treatment_of_Homosexuals[/URL]
[URL="http://islamqa.info/en/38622"]http://islamqa.info/en/38622[/URL]
[URL="http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Women#Women_are_Deficient_in_Intelligence"]http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Women#Women_are_Deficient_in_Intelligence[/URL]
Why don't you just take a step back and see what Islam is really all about? Maybe you'll reconsider.
[QUOTE=Mr_Awesome;44697993]I'm disgusted at the amount of pro-Islam in this thread. It's sickening that a society like this exists today.
I mean it's just a small fraction of the posters, but even that is too much.[/QUOTE]
No one in thread really supports the inhumane ideals of Islam though.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;44698215]
Hating islam is the same as hating a muslim, as a muslim is a follower of islam.[/QUOTE]
It is not though. Hating islam is hating an idea. Hating muslims is hating people. Huge difference here. Hating muslims is generalizing. Hating an idea that supports oppression and discrimination is not.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;44698266]No one in thread really supports the inhumane ideals of Islam though.[/QUOTE]
I suppose people in this thread don't support the [I]inhumane ideals[/I] of Islam, but you can't really pick apart a religion and then defend it.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44698298]It is not though. Hating islam is hating an idea. Hating muslims is hating people. Huge difference here. Hating muslims is generalizing. Hating an idea that supports oppression and discrimination is not.[/QUOTE]
Just say that you like people then.
[QUOTE=Mr_Awesome;44698301]I suppose people in this thread don't support the [I]inhumane ideals[/I] of Islam, but you can't really pick apart a religion and then defend it.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, most people do it for every ideology.
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