A lot of people forget how similar Catholicism and Islam are, the only difference is how its practised in the world. If Catholicism was practised the same way that Islam currently is, there would be a separate court for Catholics where after committing adultery they would be stoned to death.
Both religions are terrible and outdated, and both should not exist in the world.
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One reason why Islam is bad off the top of my head is how they don't allow non-Muslims to study in Malaysia, which effected my girlfriends mum and aunties (Indian), and they had to go overseas to study. They are doing it much better in Australia now.
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One reason why Islam is bad off the top of my head is how they don't allow non-Muslims to study in Malaysia, which effected my girlfriends mum and aunties (Indian), and they had to go overseas to study. They are doing it much better in Australia now.[/QUOTE]
But what has that to do with Islam? Isn't that a problem with the malaysian goverment?
[QUOTE=Sokrates;44703851]But what has that to do with Islam? Isn't that a problem with the malaysian goverment?[/QUOTE]Well yeah, the problem is that they are governing with Islamic ruling. Same goes for so many countries. Muslim would be fine to govern a country the same way Catholics are, they just gotta keep their religion out of it. I know it's such a basic and obvious thing to say, but that is what the problem is.
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One reason why Islam is bad off the top of my head is how they don't allow non-Muslims to study in Malaysia, which effected my girlfriends mum and aunties (Indian), and they had to go overseas to study. They are doing it much better in Australia now.[/QUOTE]
I know of Malay-only universities but I've never heard of Muslim-only ones.
Are you sure this is religiously related?
And even if there was there are tons of other universities and colleges that accept all people,it's a problem sure but I don't see why your family needed to move out
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[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44687099]How much does Islam really affect the west? How much of this shit actually occurs there? I guarantee it's overreported. Get some trustworthy statistics before you handwave. I can do the sane same thing by pointing to abortion clinic bombings in America but you'd probably just say "oh well they're just crazies, not real Christians"[/QUOTE]
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you're one of [I]those[/I] people
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And here I thought Facepunch was one of the more tolerant and open minded places on the internet. Teaches me for being an optimist, right?[/QUOTE]
"Keep an open mind –
but not so open that your brain falls out" - Richard Feynman
My parents are super christian but when they raised me they pretty much only taught me the good values from the teachings. Like forgiveness, do to others what you want done to you, ect.
I mean, I know they disapprove of gay marriage and stuff, but they never put these views on me, which I thank them for. I'd like to see religions evolve into more helpful updated teachings that could help us all be a little better in modern day life.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;44711741]My parents are super christian but when they raised me they pretty much only taught me the good values from the teachings. Like forgiveness, do to others what you want done to you, ect.
I mean, I know they disapprove of gay marriage and stuff, but they never put these views on me, which I thank them for. I'd like to see religions evolve into more helpful updated teachings that could help us all be a little better in modern day life.[/QUOTE]
I'd personally love for religions to get erased from existence, there should be only one "religion" called Secularism/Humanism, in the end, everyone will be happy.
Need to wait for this stupid generation to die off first.
[QUOTE=Fayez;44701296]Link them from [URL]http://quran.com/[/URL] then I'll read them.[/QUOTE]
Alright, here's a few, have fun:
[URL="http://quran.com/9/29"]http://quran.com/9/29[/URL]
[URL="http://quran.com/5/38"]http://quran.com/5/38[/URL]
[URL="http://quran.com/5/33"]http://quran.com/5/33[/URL]
[URL="http://quran.com/4/34"]http://quran.com/4/34[/URL]
Did you really just read the entire Quran for bad stuff even though only like one person in this thread has denied it's there?
I don't know what you hoped to accomplish but you just ended up wasting your time
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44713418]Did you really just read the entire Quran for bad stuff even though only like one person in this thread has denied it's there?
I don't know what you hoped to accomplish but you just ended up wasting your time[/QUOTE]
I found this online, I wouldn't be the first person looking for bad things in the Quran since it's full of it.
I don't think that anything can be accomplished on this forum but he asked for shit from Quran.com
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44713418]Did you really just read the entire Quran for bad stuff even though only like one person in this thread has denied it's there?
I don't know what you hoped to accomplish but you just ended up wasting your time[/QUOTE]
"wow you're wasting your time haha stop taking this so seriously" is the ultimate back-peddle and just about the weakest thing you can do in an argument.
[QUOTE=Lepaz;44713581]"wow you're wasting your time haha stop taking this so seriously" is the ultimate back-peddle and just about the weakest thing you can do in an argument.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'm backpedaling out of someone else's argument that I never agreed with makes sense
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44713611]Yeah I'm backpedaling out of someone else's argument that I never agreed with makes sense[/QUOTE]
I suggest you backpedal the fuck out of this thread since all you have been doing is shoot down other people's legitimate arguments without even [I]trying[/I] to make a compelling counterargument.
[QUOTE=Larry_G;44713868]I suggest you backpedal the fuck out of this thread since all you have been doing is shoot down other people's legitimate arguments without even [I]trying[/I] to make a compelling counterargument.[/QUOTE]
yeah I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all
why would I shoot down and counterargue "there is bad stuff in the quran" when [I]I fucking agree[/I]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44686117]Well you can say all of that, but would following Islam be really a good idea?
Islam is an aggressive expansionary religion, and while it is not the cause of all of the problems in the world, it does contribute to them.[/QUOTE]
What a fucking awful generalization, Islam in practice is one of the most peaceful religion, its not the religion, its the people who take and skew its meanings and teachings and be radical and crazy as fuck.
Just like pretty much every religion and group in the world.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44713418]Did you really just read the entire Quran for bad stuff even though only like one person in this thread has denied it's there?
I don't know what you hoped to accomplish but you just ended up wasting your time[/QUOTE]
He actually got proof to back shit up with.
is that bad?
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;44714020]What a fucking awful generalization, Islam in practice is one of the most peaceful religion, its not the religion, its the people who take and skew its meanings and teachings and be radical and crazy as fuck.
Just like pretty much every religion and group in the world.[/QUOTE]
"Kill the nonbelievers" alone is enough proof it is anything but peaceful.
[QUOTE=Mr_Awesome;44699045]You still defend being whipped publicly as a modern age punishment.
Wow.[/QUOTE]
This is some Starship Troopers shit yo.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44713418]Did you really just read the entire Quran for bad stuff even though only like one person in this thread has denied it's there?
I don't know what you hoped to accomplish but you just ended up wasting your time[/QUOTE]
Assuming that there's "good stuff" existing somewhere in there, how and why would that justify the horrendous amount of violence, sexism, extortion, and repression?
[QUOTE=Explosions;44714142]Assuming that there's "good stuff" existing somewhere in there, how and why would that justify the horrendous amount of violence, sexism, extortion, and repression?[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't and that has never been my argument
my argument has only been that moderate religious practitioners aren't following their holy books and aren't going around adhering to the horrible shit.
you seem to think that's hypocritical, which is fine, that's subjective and there's no more argument to be made against it, especially since as a nonreligious person I don't exactly disagree with you, I just have no problem with religious practice that doesn't infringe on the human rights of others and doesn't try to force itself into law.
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44712386]-Links-[/QUOTE]
The stuff you're talking about are stories that already happened at their era, it was called the era of Ignorance, so they didn't know the good from the bad, after they did the bad stuff, the stories were wrote in the Quran so we don't repeat what they did.
And the other violence stuff are what gonna happen either in hell or grave(warnings), and also other stories(what they had in their wars too).
And when you say "Oh look Islam country killing and torturing (especially in Syria)" Who said that all of the people in the country are Muslims? I've been in alot of Arabian countries and few people only are Muslims.
And one more thing to point out to the video in the OP, child marriagement isn't allowed in Arabian countries.
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[url]http://quran.com/18/29[/url]
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Btw, the translating isn't hella accurate, if you could understand normal Arabic, its pretty easier.
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One more point in the Quran, you don't take words too literally, some words has a different meaning/many other meaning.
[QUOTE=KleinerHl;44714190]The stuff you're talking about are stories that already happened at their era, it was called the era of Ignorance, so they didn't know the good from the bad, after they did the bad stuff, the stories were wrote in the Quran so we don't repeat what they did.
And the other violence stuff are what gonna happen either in hell or grave(warnings), and also other stories(what they had in their wars too).
And when you say "Oh look Islam country killing and torturing (especially in Syria)" Who said that all of the people in the country are Muslims? I've been in alot of Arabian countries and few people only are Muslims.
And one more thing to point out to the video in the OP, child marriagement isn't allowed in Arabian countries.
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[url]http://quran.com/18/29[/url]
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Btw, the translating isn't hella accurate, if you could understand normal Arabic, its pretty easier.
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One more point in the Quran, you don't take words too literally, some words has a different meaning/many other meaning.[/QUOTE]
when the holy book contradicts itself, it might be time to look for a new holy book
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44714400]when the holy book contradicts itself, it might be time to look for a new holy book[/QUOTE]
Same thing with the Bible
[QUOTE=LittleBabyman;44714414]Same thing with the Bible[/QUOTE]
yes.
i wasn't defending it
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