You actually think signing an internet petition is going to stop the war on drugs?
Oh man Facepunch, you never cease to amuse me.
Kind of related, I was reading a bit about the Opium wars in the early 1800s. Basically it was like the war on drugs, but we were on the other side :v:.
It's funny how things don't really change much
Noam Chomsky on the War on Drugs
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEEIGxZfjQ8[/media]
I feel this contributes to the tone of discussion so far.
[QUOTE=Gibo990;30052631]Great source. And 'Tobacco addiction' is Nicotine addiction.[/QUOTE]
There is a significant difference between smoking tobacco and vaporizing nicotine.
What, do you think tobacco is just pure nicotine or something?
[QUOTE=Contag;30053598]There is a significant difference between smoking tobacco and vaporizing nicotine.
What, do you think tobacco is just pure nicotine or something?[/QUOTE]
Sorry I misread what you meant, my bad. But still would like to see an article about nicotine vaporization effects vs THC vaporization.
Given the high success rate and legitimacy of internet petitions, I look forward to the swift legalization of
drugs across the world in the coming months.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];30052728']Drugs are dangerous. I can understand legalizing Marajauna, but something such as the harder drugs can easily kill.[/QUOTE] A country recently legalized all drugs causing there use fell by a lot and they are used more safely.
[QUOTE=Gibo990;30053912]Sorry I misread what you meant, my bad. But still would like to see an article about nicotine vaporization effects vs THC vaporization.[/QUOTE]
It's doubtful a study like that would be out anytime soon, because vaporization doesn't produce carcinogens, and nicotine does the usual stimulant stuff - better athletic performance, increased alertness, reduced anxiety, reduced appetite and reduced pain threshold.
On the other hand, delta-9 THC is still being investigated for its markedly different psychoactive properties, and while the jury is still out on whether it can increase your likelihood of flipping your shit.
In any case, one lasts far shorter than the other, minimizing negative effects.
everyone needs to smoke a bowl and watch The Union
I fucking swear by that movie
[QUOTE=Contag;30055210]It's doubtful a study like that would be out anytime soon, because vaporization doesn't produce carcinogens, and nicotine does the usual stimulant stuff - better athletic performance, increased alertness, reduced anxiety, reduced appetite and reduced pain threshold.
On the other hand, delta-9 THC is still being investigated for its markedly different psychoactive properties, and while the jury is still out on whether it can increase your likelihood of flipping your shit.
In any case, one lasts far shorter than the other, minimizing negative effects.[/QUOTE]
Nicotine, by itself is still cancer-promoting. Not to mention its immensely addictive properties and lack of remarkable therapeutic value. Personally, for a stimulant, I'll stick to caffeine.
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Also not to mention the increased risk for circulatory problems
Caffiene doesn't increase the chance of circulatory problems?
Voted & shared.
For all those who shit about ''hurr this won't work'', thanks to fellas like you who don't bother getting their asses off the chair, nothing will happen.
The link between nicotine and breast cancer (only 'cancer-promoting' study I could find) is seemingly so small that it's utterly worthless to worry about.
[quote]immensely addictive properties[/quote]
Oh, wait, nevermind, no need to argue sensically with you as you evidently have no idea what you're talking about. Nicotine isn't that addictive - the combination of nicotine and the various MAO inhibitors in tobacco is.
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[QUOTE=MoarFunz;30059870]Voted & shared.
For all those who shit about ''hurr this won't work'', thanks to fellas like you who don't bother getting their asses off the chair, nothing will happen.[/QUOTE]
??
Did you stand up when you voted and shared?
I signed it, I don't think it'll do much help though.
[QUOTE=Contag;30059808]Caffiene doesn't increase the chance of circulatory problems?[/QUOTE]
No, nicotine does. It increases the risk for blood clots inside the arteries.
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[QUOTE=Contag;30059878]The link between nicotine and breast cancer (only 'cancer-promoting' study I could find) is seemingly so small that it's utterly worthless to worry about.
Oh, wait, nevermind, no need to argue sensically with you as you evidently have no idea what you're talking about. Nicotine isn't that addictive - the combination of nicotine and the various MAO inhibitors in tobacco is.[/QUOTE]
[quote]Research shows that by increasing the levels of dopamine within the reward circuits in the brain, nicotine acts as a chemical with intense addictive qualities. In many studies it has been shown to be more addictive than cocaine and heroin.[48][49][50] Like other physically addictive drugs, nicotine withdrawal causes down-regulation of the production of dopamine and other stimulatory neurotransmitters as the brain attempts to compensate for artificial stimulation.[/quote]
[quote]nicotine and the increased cholinergic activity it causes have been shown to impede apoptosis, which is one of the methods by which the body destroys unwanted cells (programmed cell death). Since apoptosis helps to remove mutated or damaged cells that may eventually become cancerous, the inhibitory actions of nicotine may create a more favourable environment for cancer to develop[/quote]
[QUOTE=XxTheAvengerxX;30061312]No, nicotine does. It increases the risk for blood clots inside the arteries.
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Because nicotine is a vasoconstrictor?
[QUOTE=Contag;30061458]Because nicotine is a vasoconstrictor?[/QUOTE]
Well that's part of the problem.
[quote]Research shows that by increasing the levels of dopamine within the reward circuits in the brain, nicotine acts as a chemical with intense addictive qualities. In many studies it has been shown to be more addictive than cocaine and heroin.[48][49][50][/quote]
Those linked sources, other than two being the New York Times, are entirely concerned with tobacco, not nicotine.
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[QUOTE=XxTheAvengerxX;30061481]Well that's part of the problem.[/QUOTE]
What is the rest?
[QUOTE=Contag;30061488]
What is the rest?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/quit-smoking-heart[/url]
Scroll down for the effects of nicotine on the circulatory system
[QUOTE=XxTheAvengerxX;30061519][url]http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/quit-smoking-heart[/url]
Scroll down for the effects of nicotine on the circulatory system[/QUOTE]
Of which the same criticisms could be applied to all conventional stimulants?
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In any case, my point is that vaporization is the drug delivery system of the future (today!), and dramatically decreases any risks that come with burning chemical cocktails like cannabis and tobacco.
Still, prohibition can only make drugs more harmful.
[QUOTE=lemongrapes;30063659]Still, prohibition can only make drugs more harmful.[/QUOTE]
too bad my country is very stupid to think about that
[QUOTE=Contag;30061580]In any case, my point is that vaporization is the drug delivery system of the future (today!), and dramatically decreases any risks that come with burning chemical cocktails like cannabis and tobacco.[/QUOTE]
Well that is something we can agree on
Signed.
What's really thought provoking is seeing how many of the people signing are south american. The war on drugs has taken its toll on millions of people down there.
Signed, and I'm going to try to get all my friends to sign as well. For too long we have let our corrupt politicians bicker and jab at each other because of their precious "parties" and other non-important things. This is America, I believe if the people actually found the damned motivation we could reform and become a great country yet again.
you really believe that shit will stop drug war? what a joke
[QUOTE=rooky;30042760]Soft drugs, regulation - obtainable by the general population under certain strict rules. Harder drugs like heroin and meth, from doctors. The Netherlands have a very successful progressive clinic scheme - heroin addicts can go to these clinics and obtain their fix in a safe, clean environment.[/QUOTE]
i gotta go get addicted to heroin cuz that sounds awesome
[QUOTE=Contag;30046132]Nope. Tobacco addiction is though, but vaporizing nicotine is less harmful than vaporizing delta-9 THC.[/QUOTE]
nicotine is very toxic wheras THC and other cannabinoids are very non-toxic.
take all the nicotine from 1 cigar in a syringe and inject urself ur dead. even 1 whole cannabis plant injected in ur bloodstream wont kill u lol
[QUOTE=Mabus;30041833]You really think a petition can end the violence in Mexico, hahaha.[/QUOTE]
The only people who have access to the drugs are criminals, other criminals want them and so they kill each other because it's on high demand, only because theres nowhere else to get them, if you end the war on drugs and put them into the hands of doctors then the criminals will have nothing to fund them and the fighting will stop.
[QUOTE=lkhrizl;30074991]you really believe that shit will stop drug war? what a joke[/QUOTE]
If nobody tries whats the point? Why just make the entire government fascist and get it over with?
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