Creative Work That Doesn't Deserve A Thread V6 <3v3ryb0dy Hypocrite Critiques Edition> - General

so then buy a better mouse/tablet. you're not doing anything of actual skill and you learn next to nothing by tracing. there's no skill in it whatsoever, i think that's why people generally don't like it.

[QUOTE=Back_Slash;28820107]As long as the the tracing disappears for the final product I don't actually care personally.[/QUOTE] I hope you don't call it your own drawing.

What if it's your own picture? I'm currently confused. What if you drew or took the picture your self then decided to line art it so you can color it more easily? Please don't kill me I've only gotten into the whole digital art thing.

I do that sometimes, I don't think it's such a bad thing. It has to be purely yours though.

[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/766302/2/pewpewmk3.png[/img] pew pew

Spesship

[QUOTE=Back_Slash;28821047]What if it's your own picture? I'm currently confused. What if you drew or took the picture your self then decided to line art it so you can color it more easily? Please don't kill me I've only gotten into the whole digital art thing.[/QUOTE] If you drew a sketch on paper and want to line art it on the computer then obviously tracing is fine. Same goes for making vectors for a poster/whatever else. However if you took a photo or some random picture and are attempting to draw it, spare yourself the time and trouble because tracing it teaches you nothing and gets you nowhere.

Oh, that makes sense.

[QUOTE=Autumn;28820588]so then buy a better mouse/tablet. you're not doing anything of actual skill and you learn next to nothing by tracing. there's no skill in it whatsoever, i think that's why people generally don't like it.[/QUOTE] Tracing can be used as a method in improving muscle memory in terms of learning how to draw anatomy. Best done traditionally with some tracing paper over a magazine cover or something. Going over something like that will train your hand subconciously to memorize the shapes its drawing and creating. However the effect isnt as strong when doing it with a tablet where your eyes dont see your hand doing the drawing. Its one thing to feel your hand creating these shapes, however its a whole lot more to actually see your hand doing the work and leaves a stronger imprint in your mind as to how to draw the same thing again without reference. So yeah I do suggest tracing traditonally, but only for the sake of practice or efficiency to please a client, but the latter needs to be of your own reference.

[QUOTE=theLazyLion;28822481]Tracing can be used as a method in improving muscle memory in terms of learning how to draw anatomy. Best done traditionally with some tracing paper over a magazine cover or something. Going over something like that will train your hand subconciously to memorize the shapes its drawing and creating.[/QUOTE] but improving muscle memory for a specific image has no use for later applications. if all you're ever going to draw is the same couple of pictures over and over then muscle memory might be useful, but otherwise it's not, and you'll gain far far more from actually studying form. [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] i.e. learning how to draw a hand in a specific pose tracing it from a single image does not help you learn the anatomy of a hand.

[QUOTE=Autumn;28822604]but improving muscle memory for a specific image has no use for later applications. if all you're ever going to draw is the same couple of pictures over and over then muscle memory might be useful, but otherwise it's not, and you'll gain far far more from actually studying form. [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] i.e. learning how to draw a hand in a specific pose tracing it from a single image does not help you learn the anatomy of a hand.[/QUOTE] Learning to draw from muscle memory isn't just learning to draw the same pose over and over, it's getting at least 1000 heads drawn at different angles, 500 bodies, 250 hands, 100 feet over time. Once you get these down, an imprint of these shapes will be stuck in your mind, you can apply them to your current knowledge of anatomy, and further the quality of your drawings by a whole lot. Having an arsenal of 100s of poses and shapes in the back of your mind while drawing something is very useful.

but why would someone spend the time it takes to draw 1,000 heads, 500 bodies, 250 hands etc. when they could just be studying anatomy instead? even from a starting point you should be drawing from reference, not directly tracing, because at least that teaches you some form of scale and perspective rather than just line drawing over the top of something. [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=theLazyLion;28822891]Having an arsenal of 100s of poses and shapes in the back of your mind while drawing something is very useful.[/QUOTE] having the ability to visualise an infinite amount of poses in your mind is far more beneficial. [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] why you don't learn from tracing, but from studying

[QUOTE=Autumn;28823030]but why would someone spend the time it takes to draw 1,000 heads, 500 bodies, 250 hands etc. when they could just be studying anatomy instead? even from a starting point you should be drawing from reference, not directly tracing, because at least that teaches you some form of scale and perspective rather than just line drawing over the top of something. [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] having the ability to visualise an infinite amount of poses in your mind is far more beneficial. [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] why you don't learn from tracing, but from studying[/QUOTE] When drawing from a reference, are you not basically attempting to copy what it is in front of you? Same goes with tracing, although tracing will help better imprint things into your mind and faster, seeing as how with references, you will end up making mistakes with inaccuracies, while in tracing, everything drawn will be 100% accurate to your reference. I'm definitely not saying tracing is better than referencing in terms of practicing, definitely not, drawing from life and applying your depth perception to your drawing is extremely important, even more so than tracing. But tracing definitely does have some advantages over reference drawing such as training your muscle memory, which I cannot stress how important it is to have some. For even muscle memory is also a form of understanding anatomy. [QUOTE=Autumn;28823030] having the ability to visualise an infinite amount of poses in your mind is far more beneficial. [/QUOTE] You don't get to that point without having intense studying of anatomy/references/tracing/memory drawing/gesture drawings. They are all methods of getting better, some more important than others sure, but they all help a lot. I understand what you say as you would like an infinite arsenal of poses based on your understanding of anatomy, but that's only achieved at a stage of being a master of anatomy. And I can assure you, any master of anatomy will tell you that he has used tracing as a form of practice to get down his anatomy correctly along side plenty of reference drawings. And also, even if you do have knowledge of anatomy, what shapes are supposed to look like, where are they located, what lengths do certain parts have in correspondence with others, you will still need to be able to draw this on paper. Muscle memory also comes into play here.

[QUOTE=Autumn;28823030] having the ability to visualise an infinite amount of poses in your mind is far more beneficial. [/QUOTE] What are you going to vizualise from head if you have nothing in your head, no?

The LazyLion is right about this one. (I almost called you by your real name lulz.)

i visualize all my poses for gmod i suck at drawing poses :( i usually only draw people standing

[QUOTE=Heroms;28822222]If you drew a sketch on paper and want to line art it on the computer then obviously tracing is fine. Same goes for making vectors for a poster/whatever else. However if you took a photo or some random picture and are attempting to draw it, spare yourself the time and trouble because tracing it teaches you nothing and gets you nowhere.[/QUOTE] And if I just wanted to tracing because it was just funny (and silly) to me, do you consider this as something bad ? [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] I mean, I can draw well without tracing. I traced just because I was mostly bored.

[media]http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/5161/zombineu.jpg[/media] I realize that my artistic skills might be seriously lacking, but I figured, "What the heck, I'll give it a shot anyway." I sketched the Zombine out on some notebook paper, and then used GIMP for outlining and coloring.

i think there is something wrong with your link

Yeah, I think I borked it up when I first posted. It should be fixed now.

[QUOTE=ADT;28824140]And if I just wanted to tracing because it was just funny (and silly) to me, do you consider this as something bad ? [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] I mean, I can draw well without tracing. I traced just because I was mostly bored.[/QUOTE] Well then there is no reason to show it here?

[img]http://gyazo.com/4362c3853ba29215520e8fa3ba286095.png[/img] V:v:V wip i guess

Fixed some small things on the lady and will begin on tracing my rat drawing now and then finishing more details and odd shading shapes on the lady when I can see her in comparision with the look of the rat (since there will probably be some fix-ups here and there to make them match better). [img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Poaseses2.jpg[/img_thumb]<[img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Poaseses.jpg[/img_thumb]

[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/766302/2/pewpewmk4.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Headcrab54;28826377][img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/766302/2/pewpewmk4.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] I like it, but I think you should add some more texture to it. Make it distinguish itself a bit from the 50,000,000 other pixel-art spaceships out there. Some harder contrast wouldn't be a bad thing either.

[url]http://hippie.nu/~unicorn/tut/xhtml/[/url] Chapter 1 is good for perspective with objects Chapter 2 is great for proportional learning. inb4 lolfurries

this is a great thread btw, i should visit it more

Doing hairstrands is such a bitch. [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/PoasesesRat01.jpg[/img] [I]'oui oui monsieur I am le carp'[/I] Transparent hairstrands are the ones I haven't modified yet. The inside of the rat will be more vector-like but with some hairstrands here and there, but otherwise shading will define the hairs.

[QUOTE=dgg;28828264]Doing hairstrands is such a bitch. [img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/PoasesesRat01.jpg[/img_thumb] [I]'oui oui monsieur I am le carp'[/I] Transparent hairstrands are the ones I haven't modified yet. The inside of the rat will be more vector-like but with some hairstrands here and there, but otherwise shading will define the hairs.[/QUOTE] Interesting way to do the hair... Perhaps a little less scraggly looking hair on the arms would look better. More like how it looks on the back, but with shorter hairs.

[QUOTE=MindMuncher;28828710]Interesting way to do the hair... Perhaps a little less scraggly looking hair on the arms would look better. More like how it looks on the back, but with shorter hairs.[/QUOTE] It's supposed to look a little monsterish, not like a pure evil thing, just big and scaryish because of that. So it needs that ruffled hair. But I agree with the arms, shorter strands.