Creative Work That Doesn't Deserve A Thread V6 <3v3ryb0dy Hypocrite Critiques Edition>

[Echoplex]

I keep lurking and being amazed at the awesome pieces of brilliance that lurk here, so I figured I should at least post once.

Here's my contribution, I tried experimenting with colours.

[img]http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj2eb7w4T21qhw4cvo1_r1_500.jpg[/img]

It's pretty bad, but I like some constructive criticism.

[DIOBRANDO]

So since I in my infinite wisdom did not save my self portrait to a .psd, I have started a new project.

DETLEF WHAT ARE YOU DOING THAT CLOSE TO ZOMBIES YOURE NOT A ZOMBIE SO YOU CANT BE NEAR THEM, YOU HAVENT EVEN BEEN SCRATCHED.

[IMG]http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn229/1chains1/detlefprogress.jpg[/IMG]

Yea, its going to be a high definition fan made image of Detlef's character...Detlef.
Pretty much I am doing it to the point of ridiculously, as I am painting this on a 3000x2500 canvas, on full zoom.

edit- oh yea the blacked out hand is going to be holding a beer. And yea the blobs behind that line are zombies trying to break through at him.

[Rusty100]

hey look its the modern warfare/battlefield/every other new war/action game cover pose

[editline]3rd April 2011[/editline]

[img]http://www.techtalkandbeer.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/battlefield_bad_company2_xbox360_cover.jpg[/img]

[DIOBRANDO]

Yea with zombies and beer!

I honestly dont see a point in your post rusty, how else would you want me to draw him walking? With his arms in the air?

He is holding a gun, he is going to cradle it.
If he is walking, hes going to walk like a normal human being.

How about instead of making smart ass comments, why don't you actually be a role model and produce proper criticism, youre a moderator after all.

[Rusty100]

its not a smart ass comment im pointing out how drawing a character walking at the camera front on holding a gun is VERY popular these days

someones in a very snappy mood

[editline]3rd April 2011[/editline]

sorry if you deem 'that pose is very overused recently' as not proper CC

[Goodthief]

Yeah, you're talking to Rusty like he's a cock sucking faggot or something

[DIOBRANDO]

No, what it was is a moderator posting a comment that in no way helps me and was completely unnecessary in the way it was formatted.

edit - So how should I improve the posing? What do you suggest? It is not proper CC to just point out a flaw with no direction and you know this Rusty, do not play stupid with me. Also you should take into consideration that part of the painting is done, so overall CCing the entire pose is a foolish thing to do, as I am obviously not going to restart an entire piece for something you find cliche.

[Rusty100]

aw man im sorry 1chains1 i didnt mean to upset you with my post formatting

[editline]3rd April 2011[/editline]

dont be a baby all i was saying was the pose is overused take it or leave it just like ALL cc in this thread

why would it even matter that i'm a mod, i don't see how my observation was not something you want to see from a 'role model'
if you took offense then i'm sorry but maybe that has something to do with realising that what i'm saying was right
why would i have to spell everything out and be totally polite all the time that's boring

[editline]3rd April 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=1chains1;28964238]
edit - So how should I improve the posing? What do you suggest? It is not proper CC to just point out a flaw with no direction and you know this Rusty, do not play stupid with me. Also you should take into consideration that part of the painting is done, so overall CCing the entire pose is a foolish thing to do, as I am obviously not going to restart an entire piece for something you find cliche.[/QUOTE]

well I thought what I said could pretty easily be extrapolated upon without me spoonfeeding it to you - what makes it cliche is a number of things. the angle, the midstep pose, the gun, and the intended dramatic effect of it

a possible remedy could be changing the angle, changing his pose to something other than - bad ass mid-step dont give a fuck stroll, you know.

i don't see why CCing a pose is foolish. pose is a pretty important part of it.

[DIOBRANDO]

Thats not an answer rusty. I called you out on your shitty post and now you cant even answer, you have to resort to trying to degrade my image calling me a baby. It is not proper CC, and you very well know it, grow up and act like a proper moderator.

edit-
So you want me to change the angle? Its a mass of zombies behind a fence, changing the angle would make detlef's form be lost in the mass.

You want me to make him run? The whole point is to show he is relaxed around the zombies.

I hate how you people take it to the extremes on when I ask for proper criticism. Giving some direction is not "spoon feeding" and that is the most bullshit excuse I have ever heard. Having a little sense of respect for someones work is not a hard thing to do, and this thread isnt here for your entertainment. You get bored being nice? Well then you shouldnt be a moderator.

What you did was a jackass thing to do, you offered no help, and it IS your job to be a role model.

I am offended by your lack of critique on the work and your immature actions, not the idea of the pose being over used.

So instead of providing a shitty comment, then trying to pull a half assed CC without any thought about the piece, why not use that time to write a proper post. You wasted all this time when simply taking a little thought to help wouldve avoided all this.

[Rusty100]

i think you're just being very overprotective of your work thus far and your choice to use a very cliched pose

[Goodthief]

Rusty has a point, just because he's a mod doesn't mean that he has to have a stick up his ass, besides you kind of did over react towards his comment. I do think your painting is nice though

[Rusty100]

[QUOTE=1chains1;28964324]Thats not an answer rusty. I called you out on your shitty post and now you cant even answer, you have to resort to trying to degrade my image calling me a baby. It is not proper CC, and you very well know it, grow up and act like a proper moderator.[/QUOTE]
the ironic thing is that you really are being a baby. you've invalided it as cc multiple times now and are trying to shame be into being a model citizen.

your pose is cliched. you might want to consider changing something about it so as it doesn't so obviously reflect other similar poses made in recent times, specifically on game covers including but not limited to call of duty world at war, call of duty 4, modern warfare 2, battlefield bad company 2, battlefield 3, etc

if you want to interpret that as not proper cc and childish then do so, but complaining about it is just making you look insecure about the work

[editline]3rd April 2011[/editline]

at the end of the day, it's your drawing. i said what i said so you may make note of it and in my eyes at least, better it. you can take it or leave it, it doesn't bother me.

[editline]3rd April 2011[/editline]

i think you were just expecting a lot of praise for this specific project and i didn't directly say wow nice job and you got a little bit upset.

[DIOBRANDO]

Again youre assuming rusty. As I blatantly said before, the idea of the pose being over used does not offend me, the shitty way you tried to pass that jack ass post as CC did.

You did not help one way, and I invalidated crit that you thought up in 5 seconds to prove me wrong, and I gave specific reasons. Quit trying to analyze me through a computer, because you decided not to take the time to make a proper CC.

Never did I say I wouldnt change the specifics of the pose, all I did was go after you for your shit post.

edit- also simply saying "oh look its an overused pose" and posting a picture of that pose and then expecting me to realize how to fix it is the most ridiculous thing you couldve said rusty. I cannot read minds so your post was insufficient.

Youre the one butthurt because unlike everyone else I wont let you get away with your bullshit.

edit- Giving all this time arguing, I came up with a solution that actually works and fits the style of the comics. He will be riding a moped, this will remove the leg factor and get rid of the cliche pose.

So rusty, lets review a proper CC:

Bad: This is wrong!

Good: That pose is overused. Since you cant portray the zombies from a lateral perspective as that would be too busy, and you have the torso done, why not do something with the legs?

Is that really so hard for you to do?

[NuggetWarmer]

[QUOTE=1chains1;28964452]Again youre assuming rusty. As I blatantly said before, the idea of the pose being over used does not offend me, the shitty way you tried to pass that jack ass post as CC did.

You did not help one way, and I invalidated crit that you thought up in 5 seconds to prove me wrong, and I gave specific reasons. Quit trying to analyze me through a computer, because you decided not to take the time to make a proper CC.

Never did I say I wouldnt change the specifics of the pose, all I did was go after you for your shit post.

edit- also simply saying "oh look its an overused pose" and posting a picture of that pose and then expecting me to realize how to fix it is the most ridiculous thing you couldve said rusty. I cannot read minds so your post was insufficient.

Youre the one butthurt because unlike everyone else I wont let you get away with your bullshit.[/QUOTE]

chains, you have always gotten real defensive of your stuff. i know they're your babies, but be open to all types of crit, even poor crit. the saying "if you can't say anything nice, don't say it at all" comes to mind, even if the person giving the crit doesn't follow it.

[Goodthief]

All he was saying was that the pose was cliche, I don't see what's wrong with that. You're taking this way too seriously it was just a comment it's not like he was saying that the painting was absolute crap because of it

[DIOBRANDO]

Hey nugget long time no see, read the above post. I am perfectly FINE with criticism that actually helps.

Again, I will say it for the third time, the idea of the pose being cliche does not offend me and I will happily change it and I am changing it.

What offended me is Rusty shit posting and then trying to pass it off as CC.

[Rusty100]

[QUOTE=1chains1;28964452]Again youre assuming rusty. As I blatantly said before, the idea of the pose being over used does not offend me, the shitty way you tried to pass that jack ass post as CC did.

You did not help one way, and I invalidated crit that you thought up in 5 seconds to prove me wrong, and I gave specific reasons. Quit trying to analyze me through a computer, because you decided not to take the time to make a proper CC.

Never did I say I wouldnt change the specifics of the pose, all I did was go after you for your shit post.

edit- also simply saying "oh look its an overused pose" and posting a picture of that pose and then expecting me to realize how to fix it is the most ridiculous thing you couldve said rusty. I cannot read minds so your post was insufficient.

Youre the one butthurt because unlike everyone else I wont let you get away with your bullshit.

edit- Giving all this time arguing, I came up with a solution that actually works and fits the style of the comics. He will be riding a moped, this will remove the leg factor and get rid of the cliche pose.

So rusty, lets review a proper CC:

Bad: This is wrong!

Good: That pose is overused. Since you cant portray the zombies from a lateral perspective as that would be too busy, and you have the torso done, why not do something with the legs?

Is that really so hard for you to do?[/QUOTE]
dude
seriously
major league defensiveness

you need to do something about that. ultimately ill have forgotten about your thing in 5 minutes, i dont care. take what i said or leave it.

[DIOBRANDO]

Are yall even reading what I am saying?

[NuggetWarmer]

[QUOTE=1chains1;28964528]Are yall even reading what I am saying?[/QUOTE]
Have you read what we're saying?

[Rusty100]

[QUOTE=1chains1;28964528]Are yall even reading what I am saying?[/QUOTE]

i read it all

i made one off hand comment about how the pose is cliche (even posted an example) and you go on a massive controlling rant about how its not proper cc and everyone should conform to your guidelines of posting
i dont care dude

[DIOBRANDO]

Judging by the fact I am changing the pose I have read what yall have said.

But yall have not read what I have said, as yall still believe I am unwilling to take crit. I am offended at rusty being a jackass, not the idea of the pose.

Rusty it is not strict guidelines or some kind of shit I am trying to shove down your throat. Its simple respect for another persons work.
So you posted an example? Good job! Thats like saying "the skull is not proportioned right" and posting another image of a deformed skull. This whole thing blew out of proportion because youre too proud to admit that you shit posted.

[Goodthief]

Detlef is here, he will sort this out

[Detlef]

[QUOTE=1chains1;28964021]So since I in my infinite wisdom did not save my self portrait to a .psd, I have started a new project.

DETLEF WHAT ARE YOU DOING THAT CLOSE TO ZOMBIES YOURE NOT A ZOMBIE SO YOU CANT BE NEAR THEM, YOU HAVENT EVEN BEEN SCRATCHED.

[img_thumb]http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn229/1chains1/detlefprogress.jpg[/img_thumb]

Yea, its going to be a high definition fan made image of Detlef's character...Detlef.
Pretty much I am doing it to the point of ridiculously, as I am painting this on a 3000x2500 canvas, on full zoom.

edit- oh yea the blacked out hand is going to be holding a beer. And yea the blobs behind that line are zombies trying to break through at him.[/QUOTE]

That is... so cool

U draw him better than me....

[Rusty100]

[QUOTE=1chains1;28964557]Judging by the fact I am changing the pose I have read what yall have said.

But yall have not read what I have said, as yall still believe I am unwilling to take crit. I am offended at rusty being a jackass, not the idea of the pose.[/QUOTE]

considering the fact all ive said is the pose is cliche and you actually have extrapolated something from that and you are changing it, was giving in depth reasons really all that necesarry? how can i even give you advice on how to better it? i dont know what artistic vision you have in mind, ANY pose other than that would be fine, theres so much else you could do. i cant list it all or even some of it because pose is important to the emotion you're trying to give and it's something YOU NEED TO DECIDE
and you DID

really think about the whole situation for a sec. i didnt elaborate - you're changing it anyway
my offhand comment did help you better your work. nothing more was or could have been required when it comes to 'that pose is overused'. what do u want me to say 'here try this instead?' then you would just be copying me. think up ur own. gosh

[DIOBRANDO]

No. There is nothing to sort out, Rusty was being his usual jack ass self and I called him out on it. Arguments like these occur every day in this sub forum.

Rusty just drop it, youre obviously not going to give in and neither am I.

You couldve supplied a much better post.

[Detlef]

wait what should I sort out?

Also 1chans1 that is totally awesome, I hope ur gonna finish it

[editline]3rd April 2011[/editline]

I have no idea what u guys are arguing about....

[NuggetWarmer]

[QUOTE=1chains1;28964585]No. There is nothing to sort out, Rusty was being his usual jack ass self and I called him out on it. Arguments like these occur every day in this sub forum.

Rusty just drop it, youre obviously not going to give in and neither am I.

You couldve supplied a much better post.[/QUOTE]

alright then let's just leave it at that because unless any of you are writers, i don't see much creativity goin' down here.

Practicing on the mudbox t-rex model. Fun stuff!
[IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16429045/dothedinosaur.png[/IMG]

How do I add in my teeth? I made them in another mudbox file for future use, but if there's a better way I'm open to hearing it.

[Rusty100]

[QUOTE=1chains1;28964585]

You couldve supplied a much better post.[/QUOTE]

i could have supplied a post youd have liked better, not a better one
nobody else here agrees with you that in depth CC was required for 'that pose is overused'

ive been trying to drop it for a while because as i said i dont give a fuck its ur drawing

(youre the only one that has anything against my posts anyway - even dgg sees the humour in it and rolls with it and i target him the most)

[Goodthief]

Detlef are you just ignoring the giant argument about Rusty's comment, I was just wondering if you would tell chains that it is a perfectly fine comment as he respects you as a critiquer -I know it's not a word but criticiser is a bit harsh-

[editline]3rd April 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=NuggetWarmer;28964610]alright then let's just leave it at that because unless any of you are writers, i don't see much creativity goin' down here.

Practicing on the mudbox t-rex model. Fun stuff!
[img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16429045/dothedinosaur.png[/img_thumb]

How do I add in my teeth? I made them in another mudbox file for future use, but if there's a better way I'm open to hearing it.[/QUOTE]

as far as I know you just import them then resize and rotate them, the 3D community might help more

[Detlef]

Uh yeah all Rusty pointed out was that it was a very common pose right. Nothing big

[editline]3rd April 2011[/editline]

I don't see why it would build up an argument

[editline]3rd April 2011[/editline]

still fapping over that drawing btw