"Today, I was watching a documentary about fat people and how the world is getting fatter. This made me think of "Social Darwinism", because why should the state pay for them to get healthier and why should hospitals take them in when they did this too themselves over time. Now I know there are some conditions out there that would cause people to put on weight very easily but the people in the documentary were at one stage healthy people and instead of owning up to it they blamed there families for it but at the end of it all they could have stopped eating when ever they liked, and in the case of they taking up hospital beds surely those beds should go to people who have been shot or got run over etc. As harsh as this is would the state in question not be better of without them? What do you think?"
This was question put forward too me today. Personally I think they are to blame but they deserve a chance to change if they try and stick it out. But about the hospital beds, I think they should be kept for people with injuries not obesity! So what do you think? and does "Social Darwinism" have a place in our society or are most people to caring? And i apologize for any spelling mistakes in advance!
Society is there to protect the weak and in turn to counter darwinism. Thusly social darwinism is a contradictory concept.
Damn mcdonalds, they are to tasty. but i guess they should pay for them not the state.
So what do you suggest we do with the fat people? Kick them out of the hospital after they used their chance?
There's always an inherent level of Social Darwinism in every society; the strong thrive, the weak do not. At the same time we try to avoid it and help those who are less fortunate with things like charity, homeless shelters, soup kitchens, unemployment, etc. If we lived in a world based entirely on the principles of Social Darwinism, none of these things would exist.
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Also, what, do you think obese people who have heart attacks shouldn't be allowed into hospitals?
Sounds quite dangerous to start choosing who we treat and who we don't treat, if you ask me.
Fat people have nothing to do with social darwinism.
Social Darwinism is the act of certain societies and cultures being ousted by more intelligent and stronger cultures.
why
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Protip kiddos: in a society where only the strong and smart are allowed to live you wouldn't make the cut
How come so many 15 year olds like eugenics?
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24047285]why
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Nothing wrong with nihilism.
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Protip kiddos: in a society where only the strong and smart are allowed to live you wouldn't make the cut[/QUOTE]
And this is why social darwinism is flawed, absolutely no one makes the cut. Not even those with extremely high IQs.
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;24047325]How come so many 15 year olds like eugenics?[/QUOTE]
Because they are blissfully unaware of how it truly works.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;24047343]Nothing wrong with nihilism.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.anus.com/]Then go here[/url] or something
You can dream of the viking times and the wild west and all those other time periods you wish you lived in but would most likely die in
I don't know if you're a nihilist but if you are this is for you
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24047358][URL="http://www.anus.com/"]Then go here[/URL] or something
You can dream of the viking times and the wild west and all those other time periods you wish you lived in but would most likely die in
I don't know if you're a nihilist but if you are this is for you[/QUOTE]
I'm actually a fallibilist, but this is a damn good read.
I used to think like this, but then I got fat.
Social Darwinism doesn't work in the real world, normally the people suggesting it would be "darwinised" themselves.
As soon as you start saying "we won't help people with x, or fat people" then where does it end, over time, people will get skinnier, through selection, and killing the fat people will just be the people who are bigger than other people, but are perfectly healthy and not actually "fat"; or people will get different diseases and you end up killing everyone but the last man alive.
fat people are dumb
I'm a eugenicist but I will probably get flamed for it or something.
Nothing wrong with a little bit of chlorine in the gene pool.
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fuck, I read it as Social Dwarfism
[QUOTE=Cheezy;24045649]Society is there to protect the weak and in turn to counter darwinism. Thusly social darwinism is a contradictory concept.[/QUOTE]
Really? I didn't know there was an objective end to society.
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[QUOTE=Benf199105;24048009]Social Darwinism doesn't work in the real world, normally the people suggesting it would be "darwinised" themselves.
As soon as you start saying "we won't help people with x, or fat people" then where does it end, over time, people will get skinnier, through selection, and killing the fat people will just be the people who are bigger than other people, but are perfectly healthy and not actually "fat"; or people will get different diseases and you end up killing everyone but the last man alive.[/QUOTE]
The most shameless slippery-slope argument I've ever seen.
[QUOTE=SkinkYEA;24049666]snip
fuck, I read it as Social Dwarfism[/QUOTE]
We should only help people with cool beards?
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24047358][url=http://www.anus.com/]Then go here[/url] or something
You can dream of the viking times and the wild west and all those other time periods you wish you lived in but would most likely die in
I don't know if you're a nihilist but if you are this is for you[/QUOTE]
What's so wrong about nihilism?? :confused:
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;24048798]I'm a eugenicist but I will probably get flamed for it or something.[/QUOTE]
You know who was really into eugenics? H--
Well, you get the point.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;24049772]What's so wrong about nihilism?? :confused:
You know who was really into eugenics? H--
Well, you get the point.[/QUOTE]
Nihilism's when you don't believe anything has universal meaning or purpose, right?
[QUOTE=Lenni;24049681]Really? I didn't know there was an objective end to society.[/QUOTE]
Yeah dude we totally invented civilization just for the hell of it
Having a life expectancy of 25 and having 10 diseases just got boring after a while
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24047358][url=http://www.anus.com/]Then go here[/url] or something
You can dream of the viking times and the wild west and all those other time periods you wish you lived in but would most likely die in
I don't know if you're a nihilist but if you are this is for you[/QUOTE]
Do you even know what nihilism is? If it had any relation to social darwinism it would be in opposition to it.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;24048798]I'm a eugenicist but I will probably get flamed for it or something.[/QUOTE]
'sup.
[QUOTE=Lenni;24049852]Do you even know what nihilism is? If it had any relation to social darwinism it would be in opposition to it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=O'10er;24049788]Nihilism's when you don't believe anything has universal meaning or purpose, right?[/QUOTE]
Help me :(
[QUOTE=TH89;24049816]Yeah dude we totally invented civilization just for the hell of it
Having a life expectancy of 25 and having 10 diseases just got boring after a while[/QUOTE]
And what does that have to do with social darwinism...
[QUOTE=O'10er;24049788]Nihilism's when you don't believe anything has universal meaning or purpose, right?[/QUOTE]
In a nutshell, yup
I hate the term social darwinism cause it links Darwin to some pseudo-scientific bullshit that he would have been/was against (don't remember if he wrote on it)
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24047358][url=http://www.anus.com/]Then go here[/url] or something
You can dream of the viking times and the wild west and all those other time periods you wish you lived in but would most likely die in
I don't know if you're a nihilist but if you are this is for you[/QUOTE]
nihilism =/= anarchism, bro.
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