• Social Darwinism
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[QUOTE=O'10er;24049893]Help me :([/QUOTE] Right, and when you don't believe that anything (including the human race) has any universal meaning or purpose, then you're not likely to be a social darwinist. But as I tried to say, it doesn't follow that you oppose social darwinism if you're a nihilist because nihilists can still value things (in fact they must) even though they don't see any objective purpose to it.
[QUOTE=O'10er;24049788]Nihilism's when you don't believe anything has universal meaning or purpose, right?[/QUOTE] Seen Fight Club? Then you've pretty much seen extreme Nihilism in practice. Although towards the end it starts to trail off into extreme Anarchism.
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;24047325]How come so many 15 year olds like eugenics?[/QUOTE] Social Darwinism =/= Eugenics
Just going by the wikipedia summary here [QUOTE=JaegerMonster;24050074]Seen Fight Club? Then you've pretty much seen extreme Nihilism in practice.[/QUOTE] No, nihilism has nothing to do with violence. Value is projected onto violence, thus it's not nihilism. [QUOTE=JaegerMonster;24050074]Although towards the end it starts to trail off into extreme Anarchism.[/QUOTE] No, anarchism has nothing to do with random violence, quite the opposite in fact. Seriously, what are you talking about?
[QUOTE=Lenni;24049900]And what does that have to do with social darwinism...[/QUOTE] I was replying to your post. You know, the one I quoted in my post. Anyway, I was being sarcastic. In reality, society has a clear objective, which is to improve collective living conditions as much as possible. The term "social darwinism" is a bit of a misnomer, because altruism (helping others without expecting a reward) is a trait that we evolved through natural selection. Co-operation and social structure is darwinistically advantageous.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;24050074]Seen Fight Club? Then you've pretty much seen extreme Nihilism in practice. Although towards the end it starts to trail off into extreme Anarchism.[/QUOTE] Now that you mention it, I've never thought of Fight Club like that... [QUOTE]You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.[/QUOTE] You're right
[QUOTE=TH89;24050240]I was replying to your post. You know, the one I quoted in my post. Anyway, I was being sarcastic. In reality, society has a clear objective, which is to improve collective living conditions as much as possible.[/QUOTE] No, and I don't even see how you can say that given the evidence of the exact opposite (war, greed (which I don't oppose btw)). [editline]04:16AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Pretiacruento;24050242]Now that you mention it, I've never thought of Fight Club like that... You're right[/QUOTE] [URL=http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=24050230&postcount=34]No he's not.[/URL] It's just not nihilism, at least not the philosophical meaning of it. I don't see why you would call "valuing nothing but violence" nihilism.
[QUOTE=Lenni;24050453][URL=http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=24050230&postcount=34]No he's not.[/URL] It's just not nihilism, at least not the philosophical meaning of it. I don't see why you would call "valuing nothing but violence" nihilism.[/QUOTE] I've missed your post! I take it back
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;24050839]I've missed your post! I take it back[/QUOTE] I don't mind what you said, I just don't want people to misunderstand a perfectly reasonable and sane philosophical position.
Gay men get more AIDS than any other group of people (except maybe chronic heroin users) because they have promiscuous unprotected anal sex. Does OP think that is also social Darwinism?
Fucking fantastic metabolism for the win. :chef:
I like Darwinism because the word win is in the middle.
Fatties are still capable of contributing to society, and should not be denied treatment just because they created their condition themselves.
Anyone who says "x group should be eliminated because they are a burden" is a complete dolt, not to mention extremely hateful and cynical. All of those people have people who love or care about them. All of those people have potential to be of use to society. If you're so convinced they need to be eliminated, then I'd like to see you pull the trigger yourself.
[QUOTE=Lenni;24050453]No, and I don't even see how you can say that given the evidence of the exact opposite (war, greed (which I don't oppose btw))[/QUOTE] Because a society is a closed group, our natural DARWINISTIC altruism first extended to our immediate family, then to tribe and clan groups, then cities, then nations, now even broader alliances. Wars take place BETWEEN groups of altruistic individuals--within those groups the altruistic instinct is still present. The trend has been for us to expand our altruistic circle. Every time we have done so we have been rewarded with a better standard of living, as well as technological and civil breakthroughs. Greed is another darwinistic impulse, and has to do with self-preservation. In non-social situations, it's obviously advantageous. But when greed manifests within social groups, particularly if it breaks social taboos (like a low-ranking wolf stealing food from the alpha male, or someone doing a bank heist) then the rest of the social group will crush that individual, because it is in their collective interest not to allow the greedy individual to disrupt their cooperative network. That's why, generally speaking, altruism is more advantageous in a social society like ours than greed. I can't articulate this very well but this is a good start: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory[/url]
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[QUOTE=analrapist;24051602]Gay men get more AIDS than any other group of people (except maybe chronic heroin users) because they have promiscuous unprotected anal sex. Does OP think that is also social Darwinism?[/QUOTE] Yes i do!
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