[QUOTE=Kymandu;18907716]Even if you strongly believe there is no god. Isn't there a factor of why not? Like if there is a god you will be saved and if there isn't you will still be fine....so why not believe? why take the chance[/QUOTE]
Except if you're an atheist and you pray and say you believe God is great you're lying and he'll send you to hell to get fucked by satan anyway.
Pascals wager is useless and stupid.
[QUOTE=Majache;18907724]You'll never get anywhere if the only people you ever do any sort of business with are those who would excommunicate you simply because you don't share their beliefs.[/QUOTE]
You play with the hand you are dealt. If that is the only way to succeed than you have to do what you have to do.
[QUOTE=Archy;18907725]You're not directly saying FUCK THEISTS, sure, but you're just being a complete asswipe over them, calling them bigoted elitists. Look, either come up with a valid point to defend yourself or stop posting.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about these people specifically, please learn the difference between the word "these" and "all".
What valid point? I've already stated my opinion, I've been addressed your questions.
haha, buttfucked by satan... :smug:
[QUOTE=Majache;18907744]I'm talking about these people specifically, please learn the difference between the word "these" and "all".
What valid point? I've already stated my opinion, I've been addressed your questions.[/QUOTE]
You were saying that you didn't insult them, but at the same time your own words say otherwise.
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;18907739]You play with the hand you are dealt. If that is the only way to succeed than you have to do what you have to do.[/QUOTE]
No you don't. Those people are usually, if not always, horribly incompetent and close minded. Not to mention if you point out their incompetence they're likely to excommunicate you anyway.
What you do is discard them like the leeches they are and find less retarded people. Because less retarded people are in fact everywhere, you just have to look really hard.
I find flaw in the argument that atheists go to hell by not believing. If god loves all of his children, then if they led a good life shouldn't they all go to heaven? Would be quite contradictory that an all loving god doesn't love good people (even if they don't believe in him).
But this is all moot because there is no god.
[QUOTE=Archy;18907752]You were saying that you didn't insult them, but at the same time your own words say otherwise.[/QUOTE]
I'm insulting the specific theists that are being bigoted asswipes. I'm not, however, insulting all theists.
I don't know how many different ways I can say this.
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[QUOTE=Edthefirst;18907776]I find flaw in the argument that atheists go to hell by not believing. If god loves all of his children, then if they led a good life shouldn't they all go to heaven? Would be quite contradictory that an all loving god doesn't love good people (even if they don't believe in him).
But this is all moot because there is no god.[/QUOTE]
Unless he doesn't and is in fact the megalomaniacal douche that is portrayed in the Bible.
[QUOTE=Majache;18907765]No you don't. Those people are usually, if not always, horribly incompetent and close minded. Not to mention if you point out their incompetence they're likely to excommunicate you anyway.
What you do is discard them like the leeches they are and find less retarded people. Because less retarded people are in fact everywhere, you just have to look really hard.[/QUOTE]
But I'm not making the point just to this scenario. If I need to do something minor that is against my beliefs that won't even make a fucking difference (except being easier) then why the hell not? There is no point in using bullets against a tank. By not reciting the lord's prayer what has the girl done? Just drawn attention to herself and then helplessly outnumbered. Similarly this principal can be applied to anything. Not just crazy religious people.
Mmm..its people like you that shit on the world. Everyone can spew their opinions at the end of their post. Observe.
That is all not relevant cause your a douche.
Ta-daa.
[QUOTE=Majache;18907777]Unless he doesn't and is in fact the megalomaniacal douche that is portrayed in the Bible.[/QUOTE]
Right. Isn't there that one story about how he flooded the whole world, killing everyone except a favored family?
Of course not, he loves everyone. :smug:
Majache, let's just bring this back to the point and keep it out of personal matters. I feel that she didn't need to make this case public. She could've simply dealt with things discreetly and gotten her way. It'd be as simple as that.
[QUOTE=Archy;18907825]Majache, let's just bring this back to the point and keep it out of personal matters. I feel that she didn't need to make this case public. She could've simply dealt with things discreetly and gotten her way. It'd be as simple as that.[/QUOTE]
But he is hell bent on making his beliefs known to everyone. Apparently going with the flow is not an option. You must try to swim up the waterfall.
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;18907839]But he is hell bent on making his beliefs known to everyone. Apparently going with the flow is not an option. You must try to swim up the waterfall.[/QUOTE]
I can agree with you there
You are just as bad as the so called "christians" the only difference between you and them is their faith.
not archy.
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;18907811]But I'm not making the point just to this scenario. If I need to do something minor that is against my beliefs that won't even make a fucking difference (except being easier) then why the hell not? There is no point in using bullets against a tank. By not reciting the lord's prayer what has the girl done? Just drawn attention to herself and then helplessly outnumbered. Similarly this principal can be applied to anything. Not just crazy religious people.[/QUOTE]
But that's the point. By stating her opinion she identifies untrustworthy people and stands by her own views.
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[QUOTE=Archy;18907825]Majache, let's just bring this back to the point and keep it out of personal matters. I feel that she didn't need to make this case public. She could've simply dealt with things discreetly and gotten her way. It'd be as simple as that.[/QUOTE]
How could she have done that?
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Hell, why should she have done that? What did they do to earn her discretion?
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[QUOTE=Edthefirst;18907839]But he is hell bent on making his beliefs known to everyone. Apparently going with the flow is not an option. You must try to swim up the waterfall.[/QUOTE]
You're missing the point. I'm not talking about "be a rebel woo woo", I'm saying stand by what you fucking believe. If that means you have to swim up a river sometimes, so be it.
[QUOTE=Majache;18907863]But that's the point. By stating her opinion she identifies untrustworthy people and stands by her own views.
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I'm sorry, your opinions don't coincide with mine. You're fired. If you had simply kept your mouth shut.
The homeless shelter is two blocks down.
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How could she have done that?[/QUOTE]
Recite the prayer.
[QUOTE=Majache;18907863]
How could she have done that?
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By [I]moving,[/I] or by [I]not[/I] getting her story on [I]TV.[/I] Sweet Jesus you have no imagination.
She should have kept the case discreet, that way she wouldn't look like an attention whore. She probably isn't even one in real life! It's just making her look bad.
[QUOTE=Majache;18907863]
You're missing the point. I'm not talking about "be a rebel woo woo", I'm saying stand by what you fucking believe. If that means you have to swim up a river sometimes, so be it.[/QUOTE]
But if you are going to die in the process and not actually able to be effective then why do it?
My tank analogy is still very applicable. If all you have is bullets, pull back. You are incredibly useful when dead right?
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;18907889]I'm sorry, your opinions don't coincide with mine. You're fired. If you had simply kept your mouth shut.
The homeless shelter is two blocks down.
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Recite the prayer.[/QUOTE]
Yes, that is what happens. Though it isn't quite so stupidly ironic as that.
That's not resolving the issue. That's going against what you believe. Try again.
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[QUOTE=Archy;18907904]By [I]moving,[/I] or by [I]not[/I] getting her story on [I]TV.[/I] Sweet Jesus you have no imagination.[/QUOTE]
Yes let's move because the town is mean to us.
God, you people have no fucking balls.
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[QUOTE=Edthefirst;18907907]But if you are going to die in the process and not actually able to be effective then why do it?
My tank analogy is still very applicable. If all you have is bullets, pull back. You are incredibly useful when dead right?[/QUOTE]
What the fuck? She sued them. She did something. She fought back and won. How is that fighting a tank with bullets?
[QUOTE=Majache;18907923]
...the town is mean to us.
[/QUOTE]
My point, something like that isn't worth seeking a story for.
[QUOTE=Archy;18907952]My point, something like that isn't worth seeking a story for.[/QUOTE]
How do you know they weren't approached for the story? They usually are.
[QUOTE=Majache;18907975]How do you know they weren't approached for the story? They usually are.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't mean say yes. To the point however, you're even implying yourself that this is a small issue. If you think a small issue is worth a story, then sort out your logic.
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What the fuck? She sued them. She did something. She fought back and won. How is that fighting a tank with bullets?[/QUOTE]
Good point.
I still find it completely unreasonable to make an outcry when the odds of winning are slim. The point is, if you want to die for your beliefs and have the chance of being a martyr fine. But when the odds are slim, don't forget that you might just die and nothing will have changed. Wait and use your influence when it is most effective.
That passage does not apply in the situation of the girl. I'm speaking generally.
[QUOTE=Archy;18907991]That doesn't mean say yes. To the point however, you're even implying yourself that this is a small issue. If you think a small issue is worth a story, then sort out your logic.[/QUOTE]
Say yes to what? To money, to publicity, and to a better chance of winning your case?
I'd say yes. And you would too if you weren't a total pussy.
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[QUOTE=Edthefirst;18908002]Good point.
I still find it completely unreasonable to make an outcry when the odds of winning are slim. The point is, if you want to die for your beliefs and have the chance of being a martyr fine. But when the odds are slim, don't forget that you might just die and nothing will have changed. Wait and use your influence when it is most effective.
That passage does not apply in the situation of the girl. I'm speaking generally.[/QUOTE]
She had a perfectly good case and a reasonable if not good chance of success.
And she wouldn't die, she'd be out lawyer fees. Hardly death, captain melodrama.
[QUOTE=Majache;18908006]Say yes to what? To money, to publicity, and to a better chance of winning your case?
I'd say yes. And you would too if you weren't a total pussy.[/QUOTE]
That's beside the point here, you're implying this is a small issue. I'm saying that if it is a small issue, she shouldn't have said yes to the story.
Heck, if it's such a small issue, why the lawsuit, right?
[QUOTE=Majache;18908006]She had a perfectly good case and a reasonable if not good chance of success.
And she wouldn't die, she'd be out lawyer fees. Hardly death, captain melodrama.[/QUOTE]
[quote]That passage does not apply in the situation of the girl. I'm speaking generally.[/quote]
Stop making arguments where there are none.
[QUOTE=Archy;18908030]That's beside the point here, you're implying this is a small issue. I'm saying that if it is a small issue, she shouldn't have said yes to the story.[/QUOTE]
Uh, no. If you want to win something, you win it. You don't hold back just because you don't think it's worthy. If something gives you an edge, you take it.
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[QUOTE=Edthefirst;18908040]Stop making arguments where there are none.[/QUOTE]
Stop making irrelevant posts if you don't want me to comment on them and their relation to the topic.
[QUOTE=Majache;18908058]Uh, no. If you want to win something, you win it. You don't hold back just because you don't think it's worthy. If something gives you an edge, you take it.[/QUOTE]
Well, you're saying yourself it's a small issue. Again, back to my point. What's the point of getting the attention of a media outlet if it's such a small issue? I'd like an answer.
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[QUOTE=Archy;18908069]Well, you're saying yourself it's a small issue. Again, back to my point. What's the point of getting the attention of a media outlet if it's such a small issue? I'd like an answer.[/QUOTE]
[I]Because by getting the attention of more people you increase your chances of success in court.[/I]
This is not a hard concept to understand. How many times do I have to say it?
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