If ACTA prosecute and heavily fine or incarcerate ANYONE with a pirate file or maybe one illegal piece of content or history, imagine the prison costs. And court costs. If the internet becomes a police state (although it isn't exactly a physical country) then there WILL be repercussions from internet users.
[QUOTE=4n0n;24311071]Yes, i can agree with you on allowing them to search devices. But when they look through your bag, they cannot confiscate your diary for thinking you might have stolen it. They need to prove it. ACTA only needs suspicion.[/QUOTE]
Say an officer sees you watching a film with a watermark trailing across the bottom saying 'this is a preview copy', or a folder entitled HerosDVDRIP.RAR, or notices that you've got Terra-bytes of music, or even that you have a huge upload rate over a public network and that they see these files to be torrents and the like. This would cause a [I]huge[/I] amount of suspicion obviously. This law would enable officers to act on this and enforce all pre-existing copyright law.
Way to try to screw the Internet community up. Look at what this company did against pirates: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odex's_actions_against_file_sharing[/url]
Yes, they forced ISPs to comply.
OP, you're an idiot. It's all about chinese counterfeits, aka faked product from nike, adidas, etc.
[QUOTE=DrLuke;24311376]OP, you're an idiot. It's all about chinese counterfeits, aka faked product from nike, adidas, etc.[/QUOTE]
It's anti-piracy as well if you bothered to read the links posted.
[QUOTE=Kade;24310986]Well they should be allowed. They can search the rest of you for physical stolen goods, why not electronic devices too? I mean they can search the pages of your diary for anything hidden in between the pages, why not stuff on your netbook? Besides, do you really think customs are going to be pulling you over for a normal routine search and making you wait 3 or 4 hours while your laptop is analysed without having any prior probable cause? Every person carrying an electronic device? It totally wouldn't be worth their time in the slightest. You need evidence to prove every crime. Piracy is a crime, ergo this needs to be done where there is suspected cause in order to gather that evidence. Its not a big conspiracy to alter the internet. Its basic law enforcement.[/QUOTE]
If that thing happens in the airports, everyone will suffer.
Tourists/businessmen, who need to go from a country to a country, will have to pass onto another flight because they've missed their current one due to long checks through the procedure "for anything illegal". That doesn't take 2-3 minutes, not even 10 minutes, right? Especially, if you're carrying a notebook with more than 500 GB used.
Then, air companies, most probably, will delay all the flights to a certain degree to allow for all passengers to get through procedure and make it.
After that, they realise it's unprofitable and, on the contrary, hits their pockets so they start complaining to the government about ACTA.
Government will tell them to raise the ticket prices, they do that, and people again complain because of too high prices.
And what country needs that kind of mindfuckery?
[QUOTE=Darkimmortal;24311177]So this doesn't affect the UK then?
Edit: Oh derp, the whole EU :|[/QUOTE]
probably wont affect Ireland tbh, we are so fucking behind at everything..
With the acta agreement the cheaper clone products likely won't exist and I will have to dish out more cash, along with that to buy products that aren't reasonably priced means I will have to actually watch how much I spend when I go out - tbh I am saving the environment by pirating media because I'm not supporting the use of masses of plastic and wood that have to be used in order to show it in retail and online shopping sites.
What if I find a way to encrypt my traffic.
Or use SSL encryption while downloading with usenet. What will happen then.
I dont give two shits either way.
Bullshit, anyway, downloading is not illegal in my country, people open stores here and sell you pirated games and movies for less than 1 buck each and it's completely legal too and it's gonna stay this way for at least 20 years
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also, it's as easy to get a cheap hacked console as to find bread
I can't wait till music industry finally dies, as artist themselves get more and more ways to ship their music on their own, without the middleman.
Because I bet that they are the mainly ones behind this bullshit.
let us paly our games and do our shit
have them be corrupt and make buidings
we've all been happy when the government was like that
Nothing. How they'll find out?
Btw, for those who are scared that their HDD will be eaten up - Use TrueCrypt. A banker from Brazil used it when he got suspected in stealing millions from government and then FBI tried to BruteForce the HDD non-stop for 1 year and still no luck.
I don't think ACTA people will have enough resources to BruteForce all PCs of the suspects.
[QUOTE=X RaVeN;24311448]If that thing happens in the airports, everyone will suffer.
Tourists/businessmen, who need to go from a country to a country, will have to pass onto another flight because they've missed their current one due to long checks through the procedure "for anything illegal". That doesn't take 2-3 minutes, not even 10 minutes, right? Especially, if you're carrying a notebook with more than 500 GB used.
Then, air companies, most probably, will delay all the flights to a certain degree to allow for all passengers to get through procedure and make it.
After that, they realise it's unprofitable and, on the contrary, hits their pockets so they start complaining to the government about ACTA.
Government will tell them to raise the ticket prices, they do that, and people again complain because of too high prices.
And what country needs that kind of mindfuckery?[/QUOTE]
But that's the point, its only enforced when there is reason for suspicion. Like I said before, they aren't going to stop everyone for no reason. They wont have the time for that. Nobody has time for that. This law will only be used to search electronic devices when there is probable cause. Further proof that this will have less impact than is made out.
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[QUOTE=blackrack;24311551]Bullshit, anyway, downloading is not illegal in my country, people open stores here and sell you pirated games and movies for less than 1 buck each and it's completely legal too and it's gonna stay this way for at least 20 years
[IMG]http://tomthefanboy.com/misc/fyeah.jpg[/IMG]
also, it's as easy to get a cheap hacked console as to find bread[/QUOTE]
What's it like in North Korea?
[QUOTE=Kade;24311630]But that's the point, its only enforced when there is reason for suspicion. Like I said before, they aren't going to stop everyone for no reason. They wont have the time for that. Nobody has time for that. This law will only be used to search electronic devices when there is probable cause. Further proof that this will have less impact than is made out.[/QUOTE]
That would make the whole thing completly useless, as every phone and every laptop is able to hold pirated files. The question is, what IS a reason for suspicion?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;24311565]I can't wait till music industry finally dies, as artist themselves get more and more ways to ship their music on their own, without the middleman.
Because I bet that they are the mainly ones behind this bullshit.[/QUOTE]
You'd rather steal directly from artists rather then the record company/publisher mediators?
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[QUOTE=rosthouse;24311651]That would make the whole thing completly useless, as every phone and every laptop is able to hold pirated files. The question is, what IS a reason for suspicion?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kade;24311353]Say an officer sees you watching a film with a watermark trailing across the bottom saying 'this is a preview copy', or a folder entitled HerosDVDRIP.RAR, or notices that you've got Terra-bytes of music, or even that you have a huge upload rate over a public network and that they see these files to be torrents and the like. This would cause a [I]huge[/I] amount of suspicion obviously. This law would enable officers to act on this and enforce all pre-existing copyright law.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, they have every right to do this. You're acting as if Internet Piracy is a new thing and what they're doing is completely unexpected. This was an easily predictable move, and a good one at that.
Well shit.
[QUOTE=Kade;24311657]You'd rather steal directly from artists rather then the record company/publisher mediators?
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No, I won't have any need to steal, as most of money is going to go to artists, so the prices will be lower, and I will be paying for the actual skill, not for someones greed and slyness.
Won't be set in Latvia. Everyone pirates here, even the damn government.
[QUOTE=Kade;24311630]But that's the point, its only enforced when there is reason for suspicion. Like I said before, they aren't going to stop everyone for no reason. They wont have the time for that. Nobody has time for that. [/QUOTE]
When a really enormour group of tourists (like 10-15 people) start randomly talking in the way of:
1: Btw, dude, I dled this new Lady Gaga's song yesterday, it's on my notebook.
2: REALLY? Me too, i put it on my iPod.
3: Pfft, guys, i already have it for a week playing in my Mp3.
[QUOTE=YDKJMF;24311726]To be honest, they have every right to do this. You're acting as if Internet Piracy is a new thing and what they're doing is completely unexpected. This was an easily predictable move, and a good one at that.[/QUOTE]
The way it is placed, it can be misused for a lot of bad. Someone can slander you, or you can be just uncomfortable for some people who just have the power.
On the other note, piracy isn't anything that should get that much political and global interest, there are much more serious issues.
[QUOTE=Paravin;24311782]Won't be set in Latvia. Everyone pirates here, even the damn government.[/QUOTE]
Good point. Same here in Estonia.
Hell, we even have Second Hand with Gucci and Armani shops here :D
[QUOTE=X RaVeN;24311787]When a really enormour group of tourists (like 10-15 people) start randomly talking in the way of:
1: Btw, dude, I dled this new Lady Gaga's song yesterday, it's on my notebook.
2: REALLY? Me too, i put it on my iPod.
3: Pfft, guys, i already have it for a week playing in my Mp3.[/QUOTE]
Now I don't get how they want to prove that the Mp3 you have isn't a legal copy from a bought medium, which at least there in EU you have right to do for your own use.
I bet you just read some old article about ACTA and got all paranoid, didn't you? Well, calm your shit. NOTHING is going to happen.
[QUOTE=X RaVeN;24311787]When a really enormour group of tourists (like 10-15 people) start randomly talking in the way of:
1: Btw, dude, I dled this new Lady Gaga's song yesterday, it's on my notebook.
2: REALLY? Me too, i put it on my iPod.
3: Pfft, guys, i already have it for a week playing in my Mp3.[/QUOTE]
What if they got it off itunes or spotify or amazon.
My country is a EU candidate, not a EU member, which means that it won't be affected by this for at least 2 more years.
So yeah, I don't give a shit.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;24311752]No, I won't have any need to steal, as most of money is going to go to artists, so the prices will be lower, and I will be paying for the actual skill, not for someones greed and slyness.[/QUOTE]
Publishers are in the business of loaning money to artists. Just like a bank, they want a return on their investment, be it recuperation for their investment or a cut of future royalties. Artists don't have to use them if they don't want to. They're not some greedy evil little section of the industry. They're a business just the same as every other business. The problems usually arise when artists are too dumb to read their own contracts and think the advances given to them are free.
[QUOTE=markg06;24311834]What if they got it off itunes or spotify or amazon.[/QUOTE]
That's why i particularry said "dled".
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