[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;52867527]I'm sure it's doable, but at the very least it's not any more convenient. Which is the point of implementing new technology like that right?
Not sure how forcing people to take their eyes off the road until they develop extremely particular muscle memory to do the same tasks as before is considered progress. Strikes me as more of a marketing-driven decision than anything else.[/QUOTE]
It's 100% a gimmick.
On my car, I can turn on the dome light, turn off the headlights, pop open the fuel tank, put it in park, engage the parking brake, and shut the engine off in about ten seconds, all without looking at what I'm doing, because I have memorized the location of every single control in the vehicle.
I'd have to navigate through half a dozen menus to do the same in this, and take three times as long.
Some screen controls are fine - if annoying - like popping open the charging port, but having to go through a menu to turn on the interior light? [I]Come on[/I].
I don't mind that all of the buttons are on the center, but does it really have to look like they literally glued an ipad to the dash?
I saw one today and it looked like a cheap chinese knockoff of a model S.
My boss bought a Model X. It's a fucking gorgeous car. He handed me the key and when the door opened itself and shut itself behind me when I got in I was pretty wowed but it seems like those novelties would wear off fast like with anything
[QUOTE=Araknid;52865259]It made me laugh when it said that using the manual levers too much could damage the window
what a fucking poor design flaw[/QUOTE]
this is actually normal for doors with frameless windows. with my car (toyota gt86) there are tons of reports of people who have their car battery die, they go to shut the door after opening it and the window shatters completely because since the battery was dead it couldn't retract and when it hits the window trim it breaks the glass
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frameless windows are basically the best looking thing ever, but are a huge pain in the ass as far as robustness is concerned
[QUOTE=343N;52867314]i feel like muscle memory can compensate for this somewhat[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Killuah;52866659]Please open this page and try typing this post again without looking or eyes closed please.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Killuah;52868440][/QUOTE]
Alright here you go, admittedly this is a phone keyboard and the buttons are a lot smaller and you have to be more precise
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holy shit i actually got it
[QUOTE=Killuah;52868440][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=343N;52868458]Alright here you go, admittedly this is a phone keyboard and the buttons are a lot smaller and you have to be more precise
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holy shit i actually got it[/QUOTE]
now try it while you're trying to drive a car.
i don't even drive :v:
but i'm sure it's something you'd get used to, and buttons are bigger and more spaced out so it's not as easy to miss as say, a phone keyboard
For lots of people it won't be a problem but you gotta remember how many people on the road are absolute braindead fuckwits who think they're good enough drivers to muck around while driving but they actually aren't.
I'm not a fan of the idea of having some mouthbreathing degenerate smashing into the back of my car because they're too busy trying to find the seat adjustments in the settings.
I mean chances are it'll have automatic emergency brakes but I don't like having to have people rely on that.
[QUOTE=343N;52868562]i don't even drive :v:
but i'm sure it's something you'd get used to, and buttons are bigger and more spaced out so it's not as easy to miss as say, a phone keyboard[/QUOTE]
Seeing how every study in existence suggests that fiddling a screen of any sort while driving increases the risk of accidents I somehow doubt that.
[QUOTE=darth-veger;52865720]While driving, what is the difference between pushing a button and a touch screen to change for example the radio or a direction on the GPS with the exception of physical presence.[/QUOTE]
he kinda has a point. my VW Golf is all touchscreen now so if I wanna change something, it can take me a little longer than if it were physical buttons. I've noticed I tend to quickly glance and put my finger in the general area, then back at the road, then back to hit the button, then back at the road.
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I was gonna mention how difficult it can be to change artist on Spotify or play a certain playlist, but tbf that's an unfair comparison since most other cars don't have Android Auto yet, and I shouldn't really be changing that shit whilst driving anyway, it's meant for a passenger to funk with.
to reiterate i know physical is better since you have the ability to feel the buttons, but for the options you're given in the screen, having them all as physical buttons would probably lead to a lot of clutter. (i don't see anything i'd change in the settings while i'm driving tbh)
if we had remappable buttons, MAN
Ironically while the car has the self-returning stalks, BMW themselves have gotten rid of them in the new generation of cars.
And that sucks, I love those fucking turn signals, they're like a mechanical keyboard- if you go back it just won't be the same. I'll mourn their loss forever.
I hate self-returning stalks and I wanna slap the person who came up with the idea. They're shit.
Everything else about the car seems pretty neat to me, could use a HUD tho and maybe a couple physical buttons for the most used things but that seems nitpicky.
[QUOTE=Saber15;52867712]
Some screen controls are fine - if annoying - like popping open the charging port, but having to go through a menu to turn on the interior light? [I]Come on[/I].[/QUOTE]
You can turn on the interior light by pushing on the dome light, Doug missed this.
[QUOTE=343N;52866740]people get good at typing on touch keyboards as well. it's certainly harder but i don't think it's that much worse imo[/QUOTE]
Im very professional (if you could say so) in typing on keyboards blindly and without issues (10fast fingers test i can get 100 words per minute easily), but I struggle my entire life with proper typing on touch keyboards since I also never use spellchecking. I would imagine what a nightmare it wos be rp type a swntenxw isnlty (i tried to type it blindly now)
So uh, im pretty sure its same story with touch screens on cars.
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;52872746]Im very professional (if you could say so) in typing on keyboards blindly and without issues (10fast fingers test i can get 100 words per minute easily), but I struggle my entire life with proper typing on touch keyboards since I also never use spellchecking. I would imagine what a nightmare it wos be rp type a swntenxw isnlty (i tried to type it blindly now)
So uh, im pretty sure its same story with touch screens on cars.[/QUOTE]
Probably not going to be typing in your car while driving. The buttons are larger so it's not hard to hit the right one. If you was to type it's probably better than trying to type on BMWs infotainment system with it's shitty scroll wheel, or trying to draw letters.
Look at this shit: [url]https://youtu.be/29n5DnRu_9M?t=34[/url]
[QUOTE=Morgen;52873637]Probably not going to be typing in your car while driving. The buttons are larger so it's not hard to hit the right one. If you was to type it's probably better than trying to type on BMWs infotainment system with it's shitty scroll wheel, or trying to draw letters.
Look at this shit: [url]https://youtu.be/29n5DnRu_9M?t=34[/url][/QUOTE]
That's actually surprisingly easy to work with. While drawing the letters, you can keep your eyes on the road. One of my ex-colleagues had a BMW X-something that had it.
[QUOTE=joost1120;52874118]That's actually surprisingly easy to work with. While drawing the letters, you can keep your eyes on the road. One of my ex-colleagues had a BMW X-something that had it.[/QUOTE]
My uncle has one and hates it. Just uses his phone for everything instead since he finds the infotainment system completely unusable.
[QUOTE=Morgen;52874246]My uncle has one and hates it. Just uses his phone for everything instead since he finds the infotainment system completely unusable.[/QUOTE]
I'm fairly sure the same will be said for Tesla's system. There will always be people that hate it.
I would change a lot of things but I guess somebody has to be the first one to try all of this stuff out.
[QUOTE=Morgen;52874246]My uncle has one and hates it. Just uses his phone for everything instead since he finds the infotainment system completely unusable.[/QUOTE]
BMW idrive is probably one of the better infotainment systems you can get. The scroll wheel is a lot easier to use then a touchscreen while actually driving. My only problem with it is that it doesn't have android auto/apple carplay and there's really no excuse for that now.
The biggest plus to me is the fact that it's electric and the performance, any other vehicle in it's price range is either going to be cheap to run and have bad performance or the other way round. The fact you can have both is amazing.
Out of interest, does anyone else have a reservation?
[QUOTE=JakeAM;52877189]The biggest plus to me is the fact that it's electric and the performance, any other vehicle in it's price range is either going to be cheap to run and have bad performance or the other way round. The fact you can have both is amazing.
Out of interest, does anyone else have a reservation?[/QUOTE]
I have one, but darn right hand drive means it's years out.
Seems like the car was designed with the assumption that accidents never happen and that's not how cars are supposed to be built. So many things can go wrong with this car. What do you do if the screen shatters? How are the back seat passengers supposed to get out if the power is out? What if the driver finds himself in a dangerous situation and doesn't have the time to navigate a touchscreen menu? Poor design choices all the way. And I'm a person who really wants electric cars to be a widespread thing. Can't say I'd buy this.
[QUOTE=REMBER;52879796]Seems like the car was designed with the assumption that accidents never happen and that's not how cars are supposed to be built. So many things can go wrong with this car. What do you do if the screen shatters? How are the back seat passengers supposed to get out if the power is out? What if the driver finds himself in a dangerous situation and doesn't have the time to navigate a touchscreen menu? Poor design choices all the way. And I'm a person who really wants electric cars to be a widespread thing. Can't say I'd buy this.[/QUOTE]
The Model 3 is probably one of the safest cars in this price range? The Model 3 is hardly the first car to have electronically actuated rear doors. The external handles still work if the power is out. I know Audi do it the same way on some models. Plus 2 door cars are a thing.
I don't know what kind of emergency situation you could be in that you would possibly need to use the touchscreen to solve? Or how you would even shatter the centre screen? Throw a rock at it maybe?
[QUOTE=Morgen;52874246]My uncle has one and hates it. Just uses his phone for everything instead since he finds the infotainment system completely unusable.[/QUOTE]
At least it's not Ford:
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntxUHa0k4nw[/media]
[QUOTE=OvB;52879952]At least it's not Ford:
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntxUHa0k4nw[/media][/QUOTE]
Here's how you work with Ford Sync. Purposely mispronounce everything and accent syllables strangely. It works really well.
Touch screens were always a really terrible idea in cars because you need to look at them to use them effectively, as [URL="http://youtu.be/RHE85kHxRw8?t=291"]Motor Trend explains here[/URL]. A lot of manufacturers are working towards phasing them out for the major controls, so it's odd that Tesla has chosen to have almost no physical switches on the interior, and not only that, but chosen to have it as a central design theme for the interior of their cars. It's better than most touch-screen systems out there but it's fundamentally wrong for automotive applications.
It feels at this point like Tesla is becoming the Apple of the car world.
It's important to recognise them for innovation and the work they're doing bringing these ideas to the mainstream but there's also loads of sheep who are willing to overlook huge flaws because they're in love with the brand, or the image, or Elon Musk and they justify it by waving the environmental credentials of EVs around which I'm not sure you can truthfully do.
The Model 3 is still going to be a hugely important best-selling car but it's not streets ahead of the competition like the Model S was.
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