• Can An Omniscient God and Free Will Co-Exist?
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I don't believe in a God but I don't believe in free-will either. Free-will seems too far-fetched to grasp. The way I look at life is like a movie. You have a very long script before you and your taking it one day at a time reading the lines.
[QUOTE=Alyx Zark;24561197]I don't believe in a God but I don't believe in free-will either. Free-will seems too far-fetched to grasp. The way I look at life is like a movie. You have a very long script before you and your taking it one day at a time reading the lines.[/QUOTE] I see it in kind of the same way only time and actions are linear, choice is more or less an illusion without knowledge of future events.
Every decision you make is based on your genes and your environment, therefore there is no free will. For instance reading this post will only let you come up with a response that YOU thought of which would come from the way you have been taught and what you have felt and experienced from your environment and the way your genes let you naturally think. And then trying to defy this post by doing something random was only caused by reading this post and trying to defy it. If you took an extremely powerful computer and mapped everyone's genes and the exact shape the world is in at this moment to the computer it could determine every move everyone will ever make.
Free will doesn't exist either way. Everything is determined by either God or physics.
who cares about free will as long as i think i have it i'm good
[QUOTE=TehDoctorz;24561314]Every decision you make is based on your genes and your environment, therefore there is no free will. For instance reading this post will only let you come up with a response that YOU thought of which would come from the way you have been taught and what you have felt and experienced from your environment and the way your genes let you naturally think. And then trying to defy this post by doing something random was only caused by reading this post and trying to defy it. If you took an extremely powerful computer and mapped everyone's genes and the exact shape the world is in at this moment to the computer it could determine every move everyone will ever make.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this, you did leave one thing out. If you took a computer and mapped out a persons genes, recorded/copied their life experience, then you would be able to pretty much know exactly what "choice" they would make on any matter.
[QUOTE=ZomBCranbrry;24561178]ITT: People don't understand anything about Christianity or an all-powerful, all-knowing God.[/QUOTE] yea i do and thats why im an atheist
[QUOTE=superdinoman;24561446]Pretty much this, you did leave one thing out. If you took a computer and mapped out a persons genes, recorded/copied their life experience, then you would be able to pretty much know exactly what "choice" they would make on any matter.[/QUOTE] That's sorta what I meant by any move anyone would ever make.
[QUOTE=TehDoctorz;24561907]That's sorta what I meant by any move anyone would ever make.[/QUOTE] Makes sense, would be interesting to see how viewing the future if its possible would affect the course of events or if no matter what action you take the events unfold the same way.
I've never got this argument. All-knowing is different than all-planning. If the statement [I]if a then b[/I] is true, it makes no difference whether you know it or not. a will still yield b either way.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;24545405]Yes, but apparently we have have to assume it exists so we can argue if it's compatible with another likely impossible thing. This is like arguing if a chimera or a manticore would win in a fight.[/QUOTE] Now that's just silly. Everyone knows a chimera would destroy a manticore one on one.
Do I have to say the thing about the banana in your ass again? Because if I have to I will.
the future for everyone is determined if you some how found out your future, the future would have already known that you would have found out your future and the things that you try to do to change it end up being the very things that lead you to that future, and if you did nothing you would still end up like that because it would have already known you were going to do nothing
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;24563074]the future for everyone is determined if you some how found out your future, the future would have already known that you would have found out your future and the things that you try to do to change it end up being the very things that lead you to that future, and if you did nothing you would still end up like that because it would have already known you were going to do nothing[/QUOTE] well if you had a machine that could tell everything and it told you your future i think it would be possible to change it as long as the machine doesnt count for you seeing it
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