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[QUOTE=Banana Lord.;48651829] If I had a car that could shift itself AND let me choose the gear (read: choose, not *suggest*), that would be the dream.[/QUOTE] Saab Sensonic transmission? It's a manual with an automated clutch, taking away the biggest annoyance of a manual - actuating the clutch in traffic. The car has issues with hills, but seeing hills in Florida is like seeing a unicorn so that's too much of an issue to me. The gearbox was basically restricted to Europe; you can count the amount originally brought to the US on one hand.
I wish Saab had made a coupe based off the newer 9-3 model before they went belly-up. I would have bought that so quick.
[QUOTE=Banana Lord.;48654856]They are, but that's different from an automatic with "sport shift". Those are "could you please change down? maybe? wouldn't be the best? let me know in a second or two? nope? alright, thanks anyway" instead of "will engine blow? no? gear is ready now, boom"[/QUOTE] DCT in the BMW's I've driven feel instantaneous. It'll prevent a moneyshift (which the synchros in a manual transmission unless you really force it will do anyway), but won't force an up or downshift. You can bounce off the rev limiter up top or bog down to 1100 RPM, and it'll toss itself in neutral to prevent from stalling. They're a lot of fun.
[QUOTE=Valon Kyre;48653280]I hate that they are phasing out manuals for diesels, currently dodge is the only one to offer with a standard and idk for how long. I love my 01 cummins, i drove one in an auto and it just isnt the same, truck feels more raw and easier to control. I agree how new autos are worlds better than standards for racing, but you cant beat the feeling of ripping through the gears and having those 5 shifts that -just- match up soooooo perfectly that you just know it couldnt get better, the engine roars and it feels beyond satisfying. It was addicting in my sube. Going fast is fun, but if all you're doing is mashing the pedal to get there, are you really driving?[/QUOTE] I'm really weird in that trucks are the vehicles that in my mind should be automatic column shifts only. I never think of a truck as needing to be a control freak power machine, but just a 'put it in drive, take OD off, and pop it in 4x4' type vehicle when I need it. But, that's just my $0.02.
[QUOTE=Banana Lord.;48651829]Anyone else hate when someone says "connection to the car"? Maybe it's just the phrasing, but it just sounds really weird to me. I'm starting to realize that there's a lot of cars that should never have a manual transmission and that only the sporty ones are worth it. Sometimes when I get off of work I don't want to deal with shifting gears 20 times in order to drive 2.4 miles down the road. Sometimes I don't want to have to rev match in order to not burn the clutch or smash my head on the steering wheel. Sometimes I just want to get in the damn car, move the shifter once, and be on my way. If I had a car that could shift itself AND let me choose the gear (read: choose, not *suggest*), that would be the dream.[/QUOTE] I can't bring myself to agree with this. Maybe it's just because I don't live in L.A. or a similarly congested shitehole but having to shift or operate the clutch never bothers me one bit at all. And saying that "a lot of cars that should never have a manual transmission" as if you want to remove the choice away from those who don't think the same way you do is quite the douchey thing. I for one am very happy that the vast, vast majority of cars here are manual. Wouldn't like living in America.
Yes, but here in America, you have to understand most people live an average of roughly 15 miles from their daily work occupation and drive there. That time is generally either spent on the freeway in one gear by itself, or stopping and going. Most vehicles here are automatic standard because most people really don't care enough about cars to bother shifting every fifteen miliseconds in traffic just to get to work on a normal Tuesday afternoon.
[QUOTE=mastoner20;48655544]Yes, but here in America, you have to understand most people live an average of roughly 15 miles from their daily work occupation and drive there. That time is generally either spent on the freeway in one gear by itself, or stopping and going. Most vehicles here are automatic standard because most people really don't care enough about cars to bother shifting every fifteen miliseconds in traffic just to get to work on a normal Tuesday afternoon.[/QUOTE] Sure but I still don't see why it shouldn't be a choice, why would someone say "some cars should never have manual transmission" as if a car that's manual [I]only[/I] in America isn't something extremely rare, I can only interpret that as wanting some cars to cease having a manual as an option. For some reason.
Speaking of transmissions, has anyone ever thought about how magical the automatic transmission is. Pressure and fluid and lots of clutch disks and whatever else changing by themselves without you having a thought about it. [editline]10th September 2015[/editline] Same with the diff. Some fucking voodoo engineering going on
[QUOTE=mastoner20;48655492]I'm really weird in that trucks are the vehicles that in my mind should be automatic column shifts only. I never think of a truck as needing to be a control freak power machine, but just a 'put it in drive, take OD off, and pop it in 4x4' type vehicle when I need it. But, that's just my $0.02.[/QUOTE] All automatics should be column or console shifted unless they've got the tiptronic-style shift-on-demand automatic. I'll never understand why manufacturers insist on putting the shifter on the transmission tunnel on automatics without paddleshifters; it's just taking up either valuable cupholder/junk space or legroom. They seem to be getting around the issue on higher-spec cars by just having push button or dial gear selectors. Which are sometimes mounted on the transmission tunnel where they are liable to get spilled on with soda. Ugh. The first generation Honda Pilot had a wonderful column shifter, with a 4x4 lock button on the dash. The second gen switched it for a horrible console shifter (pleaaaase stop putting me in D2 when I try to shift into D) made of Playskool plastic but the position at least is very ergonomic.
[QUOTE=Saber15;48655761]All automatics should be column or console shifted unless they've got the tiptronic-style shift-on-demand automatic. I'll never understand why manufacturers insist on putting the shifter on the transmission tunnel on automatics without paddleshifters; it's just taking up either valuable cupholder/junk space or legroom. They seem to be getting around the issue on higher-spec cars by just having push button or dial gear selectors. Which are sometimes mounted on the transmission tunnel where they are liable to get spilled on with soda. Ugh. The first generation Honda Pilot had a wonderful column shifter, with a 4x4 lock button on the dash. The second gen switched it for a horrible console shifter (pleaaaase stop putting me in D2 when I try to shift into D) made of Playskool plastic but the position at least is very ergonomic.[/QUOTE] Eh, for most cars, I prefer floor shifters even on automatics. It's not like riding the hump in the middle is any more fun in the front seat, so I don't really see it as a loss of dead space when there isn't really much you can put there. As far as the fancy electronic buttons and junk, I agree they should be on the dash somewhere like in Astons imo.
[QUOTE=Squirrel2531;48650855]Depends what area did you go through to get those? I know some people would refer to downtown and some areas of the east side ghetto.[/QUOTE] I don't remember but I had to drive up and down sidewalks and squeeze some car barriers in my Integra to get there. The street was like half gravel and it had no outlet because all the new development around it literally had blocked off the streets to cars :v: I picked them up over a year ago and drove a round trip of 500 miles to get them so I don't really recall much other than the dude was pretty cool. [editline]10th September 2015[/editline] Actually I'm pretty sure it was somewhere in the Hillsdale area, somewhere near 72nd and Pacific.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;48655681]Speaking of transmissions, has anyone ever thought about how magical the automatic transmission is. Pressure and fluid and lots of clutch disks and whatever else changing by themselves without you having a thought about it. [editline]10th September 2015[/editline] Same with the diff. Some fucking voodoo engineering going on[/QUOTE] Just take one apart. Its fucking magical, you will have NO IDEA WHAT YOUR DOING. Only way I keept my kool when helping the guy build mine is he had a giant banner of a diagram and showed all 500000 c clips and where and how they went. The onlything that I knew and have seen before was a planetary gear. [editline]11th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=FordLord;48653722]Those are available for 700R4's, at least. Does away with automatic all together and you shift with the column/floor shift. People say it works good, but is generally pretty hard shifting and jerky.[/QUOTE] th350,4l60e's and 4l80's have aftermarket for full manual valvebodys too. Its not that jerky... Only iff you have power going down is it "harsh". Hel my 1-2 gear change is like hitting a brick wall. But I LIKE IT. because I know ITS THERE and theirs no slipping happeneing.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;48655681]Speaking of transmissions, has anyone ever thought about how magical the automatic transmission is. Pressure and fluid and lots of clutch disks and whatever else changing by themselves without you having a thought about it. [editline]10th September 2015[/editline] Same with the diff. Some fucking voodoo engineering going on[/QUOTE] Reading about it in this book as a kid [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ca/Way_things_work.jpg[/img] I got the same feeling, especially since I had no idea such cars existed until I read about it there :v: Thought it was a new invention or something, but it seemed very simple for what it could do, I mean, no computers involved :v:
I had that book as a kid, sadly I never gave it an actual read-through
[QUOTE=Code3Response;48655681]Speaking of transmissions, has anyone ever thought about how magical the automatic transmission is. Pressure and fluid and lots of clutch disks and whatever else changing by themselves without you having a thought about it. [editline]10th September 2015[/editline] Same with the diff. Some fucking voodoo engineering going on[/QUOTE] I understand diffs but trannies are fucking wild
[t]http://images.craigslist.org/00B0B_7ZlWIQxFwrs_600x450.jpg[/t] [url]https://easttexas.craigslist.org/cto/5200898719.html[/url] omg I want. I just dont know anything about thoes 6.5 diesels... I read on forums of people having lots of cracking issues and general failures...
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48655494]I can't bring myself to agree with this. Maybe it's just because I don't live in L.A. or a similarly congested shitehole but having to shift or operate the clutch never bothers me one bit at all. And saying that "a lot of cars that should never have a manual transmission" as if you want to remove the choice away from those who don't think the same way you do is quite the douchey thing. I for one am very happy that the vast, vast majority of cars here are manual. Wouldn't like living in America.[/QUOTE] I can honestly say that there are so many times I wish one of my two vehicles was automatic simply because I feel too tired to constantly be fucking with a gearshift and smooth shifts. Getting off of work at 11pm and then having to drive 30 minutes out of town to pick the girlfriend up and 30 minutes back, simply annoyed, running into town and back...I don't always want to shift my damn car in order for it to move and I really honestly do find it hard to believe that you do. Don't get me wrong, it's fun, but the fun factor dies for me after 6 months of driving a non-sporty car every day and operating a clutch. Some cars never should have a manual, a Subaru Outback is a great example of that. It can and does, but it shouldn't based on the implementation. Had Subaru done a better job with the drivetrain then I'd be all for it. As miserable as it is to drive every day, the manual transmission (and 50/50 mechanical split AWD system paired only with the 5-speeds, plus a limited slip in the rear) is absolutely unbeatable in the snow. The car itself is absolutely insane, even in 12 inches and on all-seasons.
Its odd. All of us with classic cars wish they were manual. But it was in a time where people were excited to get the shofter off the floor and have something as exotic as an automatic 3 speed transmission. So people bought that. Not many wanted the cheap junk manual or the 3 on the tree system. That was for pee-ons and peasants.
I have only twice driven a manual and wished that it was an automatic, that one time was when I was trying to pull a tree out of the ground and the other a high centered car out of a ditch with my car. Every single time I drive an automatic, all I can think about is that it's in the wrong fucking gear and that torque converters are ass constantly unlocking and locking. Automatic transmissions fucking suck for anything that isn't a high HP drag car. Now a CVT for a daily, that's something I can get behind. I absolutely love a well made CVT box. [editline]10th September 2015[/editline] I've also only driven and owned manuals and generally consider myself to "not able to drive automatics" because it endlessly changes gears on me and I feel generally unsafe due to no engine braking.
[QUOTE=Serj22;48656720]Its odd. All of us with classic cars wish they were manual. But it was in a time where people were excited to get the shofter off the floor and have something as exotic as an automatic 3 speed transmission. So people bought that. Not many wanted the cheap junk manual or the 3 on the tree system. That was for pee-ons and peasants.[/QUOTE] I wish so badly that our Pinto was 4-on-the-floor instead of auto. I just know when we finally get it running, it will be completely gutless and sluggish (not like a manual would help much with 90 whopping horsepower).
[QUOTE=cardfan212;48656956]I wish so badly that our Pinto was 4-on-the-floor instead of auto. I just know when we finally get it running, it will be completely gutless and sluggish (not like a manual would help much with 90 whopping horsepower).[/QUOTE] Manuals dont help, they make it driveable. My best example was I drove a del sol with the 1.5 engine. I could not even get it on the freeway- what a weak piece of junk, and I know slayer will chime in and get me to somehow buy one anyway. But with a manual you can leave it in 2nd, or 3rd, accelerate up to speed, then shift. You basically get to cheat it out of some acceleration, not power.
Manuals should be a requirement for low HP econoboxes
[QUOTE=Serj22;48657198]Manuals dont help, they make it driveable. My best example was I drove a del sol with the 1.5 engine. I could not even get it on the freeway- what a weak piece of junk, and I know slayer will chime in and get me to somehow buy one anyway. But with a manual you can leave it in 2nd, or 3rd, accelerate up to speed, then shift. You basically get to cheat it out of some acceleration, not power.[/QUOTE] It's not called the Del Slow for nothing lol. I've driven a D15B7 automatic EG Civic coupe before though and that is probably the least exciting car I've ever driven which is similarly on par with a D15B8 CX 8 valve 70hp motor that could do 250mph at 7-8k rpms with it's manual transmission. Honestly, I'm gonna have to highly disagree on the manual not helping. I've driven both a auto and a manual D15B7 and the automatic one literally feels like it might make 75hp tops. Compared to that my EF feels almost twice as powerful but has an identical motor with the same ECU(as the Del Slow too). Honda automatics really aren't efficient until the torque converter locks up, the fuel economy compared to the manuals is noticeably different too. Old automatic transmissions also have huge drivetrain loses, if I recall correctly Honda manual transmissions are somewhere around 15% while the automatics are around 26%. Domestics of the Pinto era are almost laughable. Dodge Hellcats dyno around 630whp depending on Dyno which indicates around a 12% drivetrain loss. I really have issues talking hp on Hondas since most people are totally delusional from high reading shitty dynos. Realistically my Integra which Honda rates at 140 crank and many many people dyno 130 probably makes 110-115 to the wheels while my Civic should is rated at 105 and might make around 90. I'm pretty happy with my mildly modified D15, it keeps up perfectly with an LS Integra which IMO the power is over rated and slow. I personally have more issues with the lack of equal length axles and lack of LSD. Those make it constantly spin the drivers side tire at the hint of traction loss causing it to understeer hard like most people consider FWD cars to do.
[QUOTE=Del91;48657490]Manuals should be a requirement for low HP econoboxes[/QUOTE] The Mitsubish Mirage has an auto and it goes pretty well.
[t]http://soleedus.me/i/2015-09-11_08-45-17.jpg[/t] uhh, im sure this is completely normal [editline]11th September 2015[/editline] fuck
No dude, that'll buff out.
some 80 grit will fix it
[QUOTE=Soleeedus;48659302][t]http://soleedus.me/i/2015-09-11_08-45-17.jpg[/t] uhh, im sure this is completely normal [editline]11th September 2015[/editline] fuck[/QUOTE] theres something about a large piece of metal bisecting where the belt runs that makes me uneasy
[QUOTE=slayer3032;48657596]It's not called the Del Slow for nothing lol. I've driven a D15B7 automatic EG Civic coupe before though and that is probably the least exciting car I've ever driven which is similarly on par with a D15B8 CX 8 valve 70hp motor that could do 250mph at 7-8k rpms with it's manual transmission. Honestly, I'm gonna have to highly disagree on the manual not helping. I've driven both a auto and a manual D15B7 and the automatic one literally feels like it might make 75hp tops. Compared to that my EF feels almost twice as powerful but has an identical motor with the same ECU(as the Del Slow too). Honda automatics really aren't efficient until the torque converter locks up, the fuel economy compared to the manuals is noticeably different too. Old automatic transmissions also have huge drivetrain loses, if I recall correctly Honda manual transmissions are somewhere around 15% while the automatics are around 26%. Domestics of the Pinto era are almost laughable. Dodge Hellcats dyno around 630whp depending on Dyno which indicates around a 12% drivetrain loss. I really have issues talking hp on Hondas since most people are totally delusional from high reading shitty dynos. Realistically my Integra which Honda rates at 140 crank and many many people dyno 130 probably makes 110-115 to the wheels while my Civic should is rated at 105 and might make around 90. I'm pretty happy with my mildly modified D15, it keeps up perfectly with an LS Integra which IMO the power is over rated and slow. I personally have more issues with the lack of equal length axles and lack of LSD. Those make it constantly spin the drivers side tire at the hint of traction loss causing it to understeer hard like most people consider FWD cars to do.[/QUOTE] I am contacting Honda of America's PR department and listing everything you've ever posted in an email. They will hire you into marketing. Yes I've heard the term Del Slow, and that car was rediculously slow. I remember the days of SuperHonda.com there was a guy who had a RHD del sol that he put a b16 in, whole bunch of other mods, and it was featured on some car channel, where they put cars on a drag strip and talk numbers about what they assume it will do. They looked over the Delsol and said "high 16" the owner drove it down the track, and it did 16.8 or something. My reaction was wow... all that work, for a 16... I think stock it would probably take it 30 though.
Are you sure it isn't the gearing that makes it feel faster? My dad's Honda has a d17 in it with a 5 speed manual. First gear makes that thing feel torquey, while I imagine (haven't checked) the auto version has a higher gearing.
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