[QUOTE=Im Crimson;20978280]Audiophilia is hopelessly geeky and will never be popular. The more portable format will always be the main preference among music consumers.[/QUOTE]
MP3 isn't very portable at all, actually.
I can't make any claims about the differences in quality between the two, but vinyl has a special place in my heart. I love the feel of the record on my skin, I love album covers that you could hang on your wall because they were awesome to look at, I love side B.
[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;20978966]Other than people blatently turning the quality of digital stuff down when they compare it to analogue, I notice no real difference other than one is a pain in the ass and the other isn't.[/QUOTE]
Just think though - that pain in the ass is what your parents had to go through to get some music on so you could be conceived :v:
[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;20979179]MP3 isn't very portable at all, actually.[/QUOTE]
How so?
There's nothing wrong with CDs, it's just that you'll be getting a more sterile sound because each one is made to sound the same (you could buy hundreds of the same album on CD, they'll all sound the same). With vinyls, they all have their own little minute flaws that add to the charm of the album and they aren't going to do as well on the major high frequencies, so they'll sound heavier and "warmer." It's a preference based on what you want out of what you listen to, but vinyl is by no means dead.
As far as digital goes, lossless does sound better than an MP3. Go listen to a 128 kbps MP3, then a 320 kbps, then go listen to a 16-bit .WAV file (which is what is on a CD). You will notice a difference if your sound system is adequate, especially on the percussion and if it's loud.
I have one question, is vinyl stereo? Or mono? I wonder that because it picks up the sounds with only one "pick"...
i like to rub snake oil on my speakers since it increases the percussive effect of the speaker cone's vibration on the air and thus creates a more accurate representation of the music
in fact it sounds better than real life
ok... since i have noticed somebody stupidly introduced the state of the music industry in the mix... lets discuss
the HIGHEST selling album (studio album/not greatest hits) in the last 10 years was Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park selling just 24 million copies........................
decade before that WHITNEY HOUSTON sold 44 million copies for one album......
decade before that was the monumental Thriller album........110 million copies
We can blame piracy for the decrease, but I don't reckon there are more than 10 million people in the world who pirate... even THOSE people who pirate have been said in a study to spend more on music than legit people
Don't think its quite ridiculous, but the market has dimmed, the quality of music has dimmed, only very rarely do we find a monumental album that absolutely everybody would like, these days Lady Gaga is the one who is selling in the millions easily..... pretty pathetic
[QUOTE=Soviet Beef;20977854]a higher bitrate isnt going to make the trash that you listen to any better on the ears.[/QUOTE]
Hey, thanks for the compliment, at least I know I don't rely on what other people think of me to be happy. Good thing I don't need my taste to be confirmed by others to enjoy it, or I might be as lame as you.
Is there any visual way to show the quality difference?
Also Headphone amplification alters it too.
Anyone using Ipod earphones is stupid.
Vinyl is the shit if you can get good records.
I've got the Master of Puppets album and it sounds fucking awesome.
[QUOTE=Akayz;20979555]ok... since i have noticed somebody stupidly introduced the state of the music industry in the mix... lets discuss
the HIGHEST selling album (studio album/not greatest hits) in the last 10 years was Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park selling just 24 million copies........................
decade before that WHITNEY HOUSTON sold 44 million copies for one album......
decade before that was the monumental Thriller album........110 million copies
We can blame piracy for the decrease, but I don't reckon there are more than 10 million people in the world who pirate... even THOSE people who pirate have been said in a study to spend more on music than legit people
Don't think its quite ridiculous, but the market has dimmed, the quality of music has dimmed, only very rarely do we find a monumental album that absolutely everybody would like, these days Lady Gaga is the one who is selling in the millions easily..... pretty pathetic[/QUOTE]
You're a fucking idiot if you think the music industry is dying. It's changing, not dying. Sorry that albums don't sell in huge numbers anymore, but that's really irrelevant when you think about how music is marketed and published now. Also, if you're using Whitney Houston and Linkin Park as quality control, you might want to shoot yourself. Music isn't getting worse, people are rapidly diversifying, and the internet culture to ostracize and bastardize bands and people has influenced way too much bullshit for a completely subjective thing such as music.
People like you are annoying. The music industry is NOT FUCKING DYING. It's the record industry, an entirely separate industry that is dying thanks to being ground in failure and tradition.
And even worse is you use popularity as something that equates to quality. Music is subjective, and those albums sold well because of the time and the system in place at the time. Now, albums don't sell like that because things are totally different.
[QUOTE=Lemonator;20979617]
Anyone using Ipod earphones is stupid.[/QUOTE]
people who prefer clean sound aren't stupid, ipod headphones aren't shit for what they are
I personally prefer over ear good quality sennheisers, almost perfect clear quality sound and nice response from my MP3s on my ipod
still need to try it with my vinyls though :]
REPLY to the above poster
"The music industry is NOT FUCKING DYING"
you better BELIEVE IT BITCH!
and the use of the words "ostracize" and "bastadize" just makes you look REALLY foolish
Music used to DEFINE the decades, 60s the psychedelic era, 70s had some of the best rock and soul I have ever heard, 80s were superb in style, 90s was a watered down version of the 80s but still a decent decade of music, and the 00s................no I can't think of anything.......... Coldplay, bit of oasis, u2 and some others..........yeah its kinda blank
The death of Michael Jackson did boost the music industry briefly... but only for the catalogue of his music.....
You are acting as if i said "MUSIC IS DEAD"..........
Youtube audio is the best
[QUOTE=Akayz;20979669]people who prefer clean sound aren't stupid, ipod headphones aren't shit for what they are
I personally prefer over ear good quality sennheisers, almost perfect clear quality sound and nice response from my MP3s on my ipod
still need to try it with my vinyls though :][/QUOTE]
They aren't clean headphones, they're terribly shitty headphones.
Vinyl is the BEST!
I wear hearing aids and I have trouble discerning the differences between the formats. It doesn't really matter to me, so I just use .mp3, since it takes up less space.
[QUOTE=Akayz;20979669] 90s was a watered down version of the 80s but still a decent decade of music[/QUOTE]
Grunge and Electronica has nothing to do with the 80's.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;20979663]
People like me are annoying. The music industry is FUCKING DYING. [/QUOTE]
If they developed vinyl technology more, refined it so it is marketable in this day and age, the music could be revived... unlikely though
[QUOTE=Akayz;20979954]If they developed vinyl technology more, refined it so it is marketable in this day and age, the music could be revived... unlikely though[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot. Prove to me the music industry is dying, show me all the bands that exist out there that aren't innovating, inventing, creating and doing what they love? Oh, right, cause those DO actually exist and you're just a moron. Music isn't defined by what's popular and what's not. If you judge music only by the most popular music around, then yes, you will be disappointed, sadly that's all your judging it by. Do yourself a favor and shut the fuck up.
The supposed death of the music industry as you put it is definitely not due to the lack of Vinyl technology, most, if not all albums are still published on LP's on Vinyls. I was in a record store last week and found 40 recent albums from bands that you wouldn't expect to have vinyls.
[quote]"The music industry is NOT FUCKING DYING"
you better BELIEVE IT BITCH!
and the use of the words "ostracize" and "bastadize" just makes you look REALLY foolish
Music used to DEFINE the decades, 60s the psychedelic era, 70s had some of the best rock and soul I have ever heard, 80s were superb in style, 90s was a watered down version of the 80s but still a decent decade of music, and the 00s................no I can't think of anything.......... Coldplay, bit of oasis, u2 and some others..........yeah its kinda blank
The death of Michael Jackson did boost the music industry briefly... but only for the catalogue of his music.....
You are acting as if i said "MUSIC IS DEAD"..........[/quote]
And just from the quality of your typing I can tell you right now you're an idiot. Michael Jacksons death was shortly after Thriller need I remind you. Music can not, and will not die. Maybe your preferred form of it will because you're an idiot, but music is a subjective taste, and the problem is that you assume music taste is worse as time goes on. Music defined generations because those generations were different than ours, ours is in the unique position of being the easiest, the most advanced, and the most ridiculously cynical of all previous generations due to people like you with total ignorance of the past. Music does ostracize, and bastardize(please, for the love of god you 14 year old, at least type and spell correctly) people turning them into subjective idiots implying their taste is definitively better than someone else, like you and Soviet Beef. The reason you can't think of anything from this generation is because you're ignorant of it. Just like you're ignorant of the thousands of bands that never made it through the 60s-90's. What, you think the popular bands from then are the only popular bands? No. There were hundreds and thousands of them that didn't make it as big as the classic bands because they didn't get lucky.
Dear god, just shut your mouth you ignorant ass.
[QUOTE=Akayz;20979954]If they developed vinyl technology more, refined it so it is marketable in this day and age, the music could be revived... unlikely though[/QUOTE]
there is no way that vinyl could ever be marketable now.
while i personally really enjoy listening to it, i wouldn't choose it over having all my songs in mp3 format, on my ipod, in my pocket, ready to listen to whenever i wanted
[QUOTE=mike;20980053]there is no way that vinyl could ever be marketable now.
while i personally really enjoy listening to it, i wouldn't choose it over having all my songs in mp3 format, on my ipod, in my pocket, ready to listen to whenever i wanted[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying the vinyl itself, I'm talking about the technology....
clearly the analogue response is superior than digital because its simple physics
Digital is just 1s and 0s trying to shape itself into analogue....
what I would like, is some way of refining the technology itself, getting as close to studio quality as possible and being portable and modern
[QUOTE=Akayz;20980174]I'm not saying the vinyl itself, I'm talking about the technology....
clearly the analogue response is superior than digital because its simple physics
Digital is just 1s and 0s trying to shape itself into analogue....
what I would like, is some way of refining the technology itself, getting as close to studio quality as possible and being portable and modern[/QUOTE]
What? Are you 12 and just pretending to know something about the way music is recorded? Often times it's the amp, and the actual speaker the music is coming from that changes the sound, tone, and supposed warmth of the music. Studio quality can be mastered to work with CD's, maybe not MP3's, but CD's, FLAC, and many other formats that all work brilliantly, and sound great when played through good speakers. It's the shitty mastering and shitty speakers that's often to blame for "bad warmth".
[QUOTE=roflcakes;20977468]Don't use youtube as a method of comparing sound quality you fool.
[/QUOTE]
gimme a better example :]
"shitty mastering" - I agree
"shitty speakers" - most of the time speakers can't be to blame, unless they are clearly really shit
[QUOTE=Akayz;20980174]I'm not saying the vinyl itself, I'm talking about the technology....
clearly the analogue response is superior than digital because its simple physics
Digital is just 1s and 0s trying to shape itself into analogue....
what I would like, is some way of refining the technology itself, getting as close to studio quality as possible and being portable and modern[/QUOTE]
Vinyl is 1s and 0s...
[QUOTE=Akayz;20980263]gimme a better example :]
"shitty mastering" - I agree
"shitty speakers" - most of the time speakers can't be to blame, unless they are clearly really shit[/QUOTE]
Over ear, in ear, headphones aren't the best quality and rarely give the best sound possible. Desktop speakers and what not are not going to give you warm sound. They just won't unless they're of the utmost quality. Try a good tube amp, or solid state amps.
[QUOTE=evilking1;20980354]Vinyl is 1s and 0s...[/QUOTE]
not exactly
[QUOTE=evilking1;20980354]Vinyl is 1s and 0s...[/QUOTE]
sound stored on Vinyl has a variable value between one and zero, that way the sound is encoded as a sinewave (analouge) and not a square wave stored as 1 or 0 (digital).
also, I like listening to chiptune, so I dont give shit :) .MOD and .SID still sound nice even with there technical limitations.
[QUOTE=evilking1;20980354]Vinyl is 1s and 0s...[/QUOTE]
Nope. Not even close.
[QUOTE=evilking1;20980354]Vinyl is 1s and 0s...[/QUOTE]
Does this look like "1s and 0s" to you?
[img]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/03/record_groove.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.synthgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/record_grooves.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;20980367]Over ear, in ear, headphones aren't the best quality and rarely give the best sound possible[/QUOTE]
Depends on how much we're willing to spend on sound equipment, if you're an audiophile you would spend hundreds of pounds on studio headphones
I personally spend a reasonable amount of my sound systems, I'm happy with the response of both my headphones and speakers
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