[QUOTE=Tezza1234;21003634]You are aware vinyl has LESS bass response than other formats for the simple fact of physics? - Did you know McCartney wanted his bass louder on many Beatles records but they couldn't because of the limitations of vinyl?
That's why the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization]RIAA Equalisation curve[/url] and subharmonic synthesizers are used - Look it up.[/QUOTE]
I despise the remastered beatles albums... they did a horrible job on them.... the original 60s vinyls are best, but we have flaws to those.... expenses and the fact that 60s vinyl technology isn't as good as the modern vinyls
There would obviously be limitations on vinyl as there are on all media, its the best marketable media to hear more of the music though as of this moment...
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There would obviously be limitations on vinyl as there are on all media, its the best marketable media to hear more of the music though as of this moment...[/QUOTE]
umm I'm pretty sure there is no limitation (or next to none) on most digitial formats these days thanks to the introduction of higher sample rates and bit sizes.
I prefer Vinyls because of the whole ritual around it. I have also more often listened to a whole album on vinyls when i would skip some songs if i was listening to it on CD.
Its also about the presentation. Noone here can tell me that a CD case looks better that a Vinyl case. Its just a whole experience of opening it up and reading about the record and the absolutely fantastic images on the front cover. You just don't get that with CD's. I mean, imagine if the whole acid rock (progressive rock) scene had been done on CD. Acid rock was as much about the story behind the album as the songs themselves. I mean look at tangerine dream, pink-floyd and genesis. They had spectacular covers that really reached out to you. A CD case is just a plastic case with a small picture on it that you can't really see.
"Plus a record case is a good improvised table to roll a joint on" (in the words of Mick Jagger)
[QUOTE=Brt5470;20999271]CD's use WAV, not mp3.[/QUOTE]
Technically Linear PCM.
That extra "edge" on vinyl generally turns out to be the imperfections and scratches on the record, guys.
This is to do with something called loudness
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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louness_War[/url]
Flac ftw.
It's pretty obvious that analog would have better quality than digital because of the sampling rate and the analog points being digitized.
mp3 is fine for me
I have both a record player and a cd player.
But I think cds sound better actually....
[QUOTE=Re-Con;21012798]umm I'm pretty sure there is no limitation (or next to none) on most digitial formats these days thanks to the introduction of higher sample rates and bit sizes.[/QUOTE]
then explain to me why everything is compressed to death?
[QUOTE=Akayz;21017631]then explain to me why everything is compressed to death?[/QUOTE]
what type of compression are you talking about here, audio or file?
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if it's audio, that is nothing to do with the format but more with the person dealing with the mastering and mixdown of the given tracks
for file compression, everything is not compressed to death at all. fair enough with low bit rate mp3's and such but when working with PCM at 192Khz at 24 bit is not compressed in the slightest.
even then most modern vinyl will be pressed from PCM at 44.1Khz at 16 bit anyway.
It's been mentioned before.. audio compression on CDs is due to the [i]Loudness War[/i]
[QUOTE=Re-Con;21017641]what type of compression are you talking about here, audio or file?[/QUOTE]
right... since digital took over the music market completely, we are getting a compressed version of the music that we listen to... inferior to that of vinyl
I can listen to classics and enjoy them on my Ipod, then I put a vinyl version of the album and they deliver so much more of the music, I feel if they didn't compress it so much from the studio and delivered what they are capable of delivering to the public then the music industry would be a lot better off
[QUOTE=Akayz;21017753]right... since digital took over the music market completely, we are getting a compressed version of the music that we listen to... inferior to that of vinyl
I can listen to classics and enjoy them on my Ipod, then I put a vinyl version of the album and they deliver so much more of the music, I feel if they didn't compress it so much from the studio and delivered what they are capable of delivering to the public then the music industry would be a lot better off[/QUOTE]
yes that's because the current generation wants LOUD rather than music rich with dynamics
to be honest I don't really give a toss about the loudness war. I've grew up with it, all of the music I listen to has been affected by it and I do the same when I mixdown and master tracks
[QUOTE=Re-Con;21017822]yes that's because the current generation wants LOUD rather than music rich with dynamics
to be honest I don't really give a toss about the loudness war. I've grew up with it, all of the music I listen to has been affected by it and I do the same when I mixdown and master tracks[/QUOTE]
I also think its the ease of listening to music nowadays...
due to the fact that analogue technology wasn't developed and placed into the modern age is just a shame....
at least its still available brand new... more stores are putting it on shelves and companies like amazon are taking advantage that people still prefer their vinyl
all we can do is say oh well...
i havent tried FLAC. But i much prefer the sound quality of a vinyl over a cd/mp3. But cd/mp3's are more practical. I.E ipods ect
[QUOTE=Yur|ko;20978553]One thing that I like in vinyl is the awesome album art. Just has that nice feeling to it.
Also what was that record where there was this spiral thing and when you played it it looked really trippy. I think it was some Black Sabbath album. [img]http://www.irancartoon.com/100/swf/fun_spiral.gif[/img] <--- There if you didn't understand[/QUOTE]
The spiral was on all the Vertigo records, I think.
[QUOTE=winsanity;20977343]Short and simple - mp3's kill music quality.[/QUOTE]
AAC or Apple Lossless, and you're good to go.
All the analog hardwares are the best.
All these digital is still crap.
on more good thing about vinyl is that you can change the RPM to get funny sounds :3:
[QUOTE=Akayz;21017753]right... since digital took over the music market completely, we are getting a compressed version of the music that we listen to... inferior to that of vinyl
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uhh you should learn about how vinyl is made first
[QUOTE=rampageturke;21018771]on more good thing about vinyl is that you can change the RPM to get funny sounds :3:[/QUOTE]
You can also do that on MP3s with the Pacemaker plugin for Winamp
you do understand that the only real difference between FLAC and vinyl is that FLAC deletes the silence? well there is bitrate, but there is no possible way to actually hear the difference between bitrates past a certain point. I'm tired of elitist audiofools thinking that because someone prefers digital, that means they don't care about music. technology changes. there's a difference in quality now, but just barely. it'll be gone soon. I think the barely noticeable change in quality is worth the huge change in convenience.
your standard over-compressed mp3's are shit though.
Many [i]Modern[/i] Vinyls are from Digital mastering desks or if an analogue desk was used, Digital Tracking apparatus anyhow.
There's not many studios seriously still using a fully analogue system. Even Tape-Based ADAT is Digital.
Granted Mastering is done at incredibly high bitrate and bit depths and dithered down, but the point still stands, It has probably been through a digital generation at one point or another. Older vinyls tend to sound "Better" because the producers and engineers had creativity and weren't swayed by then non-existent giant marketing schemes.
These days, getting a Digital copy from the internet (Legally of course) means it has passed through less Digital-Analogue conversion stages and if you shop around you [i]Can[/i] get hold of 196Khz/96Khz/88.2Khz 24/32Bit Masters straight from the desk that spewed them out. That's as good as the output going to the Vinyl pressing house - Providing you have a Decent DAC.
At this point it may be important to note that you can't listen to 196Khz on Windows through The Kernel Mixer (KMixer), As the kernel mixer dithers everything down to 44,100hz, 16bit before output. - You need to use Something like ASIO for raw access to the audio hardware.
In summation I push forward the angle that digital is perceived as worse simply for the fact that people listening to vinyl generally have better equipment while the large proportion of people using Digital downloads and related mediums haven't got a clue.
Me? - I have Decent gear and I prefer the convenience and non-degenerative qualities of digital audio, [i]from the right source[/i].
[QUOTE=thisispain;21018964]uhh you should learn about how vinyl is made first[/QUOTE]
care to elaborate because you clearly must know what you are talking about :worship:
vinyls suck, flac for the win
I have 2900 FLAC songs and 700 MP3 320.
I really hate how people just rip their songs from Youtube.
[QUOTE=Akayz;21038731]care to elaborate because you clearly must know what you are talking about :worship:[/QUOTE]
vinyl is more compressed than CD
[QUOTE=thisispain;21041368]vinyl is more compressed than CD[/QUOTE]
theoretically, but not in the real world
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[quote]And for the first few years CDs did provide appreciably better dynamic range than LPs or cassettes. But since then something has gone seriously wrong.[/quote]
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