Tour of a Military Prison. - General

[QUOTE=The mouse;30223683]How does one even end up in a Military prison? Friendly fire? Disobeying orders? Risking their own life?[/QUOTE] Violation of the [URL="http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm"]UCMJ[/URL] I actually know some people in SecFo (Security Forces) And you really don't go there for minor shit, if you do fuck up and it's not massively illegal (say you break a curfew or something that's been imposed) usually disciplinary actions go no higher than your unit commander, depending on your rank and position of responsibility.

[QUOTE=Strider_07;30240541]Violation of the [URL="http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm"]UCMJ[/URL] I actually know some people in SecFo (Security Forces) And you really don't go there for minor shit, if you do fuck up and it's not massively illegal (say you break a curfew or something that's been imposed) usually disciplinary actions go no higher than your unit commander, depending on your rank and position of responsibility.[/QUOTE] You go in for fighting.

[QUOTE=Vityaz;30240467]The prison he was held at was recently investigated and all the chain of command was let go.[/QUOTE] Doesn't that kind of prove that the things you describe are extremely rare and just as illegal

[QUOTE=SEKCobra;30223311]There is a hotel, you can even buy breakout packages and try to escape.[/QUOTE] Link please. Or location. I'll break out in less than an hour, just link me. [editline]4th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Timenova;30224178]Extra 5 years if you step off the mats? :ohdear: What are you supposed to do if you're naturally clumsy? I would be there for the rest of my life. :frown:[/QUOTE] Or even worse, another inmate trips you :ohdear:

[img]http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2010/06/Brad-Manning-in-uniform.jpg[/img] Just going to leave this here.

That marine prison does NOT represent the rest of the air force. I can understand the guards hiding their possessions (If it is as a punishment) but only privileges like books or magazines I would understand. But other than the other stuff I am astonished and even question the actual truth behind the rape stories... I know a lot of Marines and they are more hard ass (no pun intended) than all the other branches of the military. I can't believe something like rape would happen by a kind of people just like the marines unless they were seriously mentally screwed up.

so there [i]weren't[/i] terrorists there?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30255912]so there [i]weren't[/i] terrorists there?[/QUOTE] No... its a correctional facility for the Air Force members. I'm sure if they put criminals in with terrorists the inmates would probably beat the terrorists. Most of them in there still have loyalty to their country but have just lost discipline.

How do you get sent there in the first place?

[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;30221995] Lakenheath has the highest percentage of male rape in the Air Force. [/QUOTE] Welp, looks like Lakenheath is going off my dream sheet.

[QUOTE=Wafflemaster;30256874]How do you get sent there in the first place?[/QUOTE] Read the thread please. Violating the UCMJ [editline]5th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CSargeP;30256960]Welp, looks like Lakenheath is going off my dream sheet.[/QUOTE] Its a wonderful place though. Great base. plus that was a rumour one of the kids in my class told us.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30223373]Knowing that I'm a civilian and that he can't do anything unless I physically attack him would probably result in me laughing (and getting hit in the face for it) when he started yelling[/QUOTE] Dude you're sick

Wow if there was no rules or overwatch, the cell with ALL the criminals would be probably be full of them ass raping each other.

Two years ago i got a tour in Halden Prison ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1277158/Halden-Prison-Inside-Norways-posh-new-jail.html[/url]) while it was still beeing built. Although this wasn't military prison, there is a diffrence between our prisons and everyone elses :v:

[QUOTE=ACupXOfXNoodles;30259431]Wow if there was no rules or overwatch, the cell with ALL the criminals would be probably be full of them ass raping each other.[/QUOTE] I doubt it.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;30225420]Military members are held to a very high standard. If you are caught smoking marijuana you are automatically dishonourably discharged even if its your first offence ever. If they can't put up with the strict rules of the military then they shouldn't have signed up for it in the first place. The correctional facility serves as both rehabilitation and punishment for what they have done. [/QUOTE] That is not the way it use to be. When I was on Rear Detachment in 2009 we had 3 guys who were busted for Drug use. It took the Army a full 14 months to kick them out finnaly. I deployed to Iraq, came back, and they were still doing extra duty for some reason or another. Now just a month ago I had a guy in my Platoon piss hot for weed. He was out the door in under 2 weeks, and he got a discharge. It's gay at times, but damnit I love it when the system works.

How the Military works: I once met a guy who had been in Level 3 Military prison for [b]nothing[/b], and this is the explanation: Whenever a higher up in the military fucks up badly (and they don't want others to know about this), everyone in the group of the incident is pardoned and the lowest ranked person is sent to Military Prison deemed "mentally unstable" to carry on the fact that everything he says is a "lie". It's a fucked up thing (this guy is a substitute, I was in I.S.S and he told us what happened to him).

[QUOTE=Testabar;30300814]That is not the way it use to be. When I was on Rear Detachment in 2009 we had 3 guys who were busted for Drug use. It took the Army a full 14 months to kick them out finnaly. I deployed to Iraq, came back, and they were still doing extra duty for some reason or another. Now just a month ago I had a guy in my Platoon piss hot for weed. He was out the door in under 2 weeks, and he got a discharge. It's gay at times, but damnit I love it when the system works.[/QUOTE] Ah well my dad just recently did a surprise inspection of the dorms along with a lot of the other high ranking guys on the base. They caught at least 4 people with drugs. Spice, Marijuana, ect. For all I know they were almost instantly kicked out because it was obvious they had the drugs. [editline]7th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=itsDivine;30300905]How the Military works: I once met a guy who had been in Level 3 Military prison for [b]nothing[/b], and this is the explanation: Whenever a higher up in the military fucks up badly (and they don't want others to know about this), everyone in the group of the incident is pardoned and the lowest ranked person is sent to Military Prison deemed "mentally unstable" to carry on the fact that everything he says is a "lie". It's a fucked up thing (this guy is a substitute, I was in I.S.S and he told us what happened to him).[/QUOTE] That is NOT how the military works. Do NOT slander the military's reputation because of one bad occurance. Usually its the exact opposite. I know in the Air Force if somebody in your squadron screws up or steals parts to an airplane (its happened before) then its the higher ups who get in trouble (but not military jail) Its because they should have total control over their men and if they don't then they should be punished. Along with the person who committed the crime. Everybody in the squadron has to dress in their "Blues" if somebody is caught for DUI. and it sucks when you have to dress up in these [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hk_cayNIONo/SMb245lTX2I/AAAAAAAAKDE/SaLFlIU5snw/s400/US_Air_Force_Mens_Service_Dress.jpg[/img] when you usually just have to be in these [img]http://www.defense.gov/transformation/images/photos/2006-03/articles/20060324a1.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;30223223]Really? That is awesome. Did you go to High school? [editline]3rd June 2011[/editline] Funny story, I went to dinner with my dad and we talked about it. Turns out the guy whose locker we looked in worked close to my dad or something like that. He also said that a lot of people are sent for a tour there if they are acting cocky and the officers or SNCO's think they might be close to doing something stupid. I almost asked him to treat me like an inmate and make me cry. It would have been awesome but humiliating at the same time. haha Did I mention in the military you can go to jail for disrespect? [editline]3rd June 2011[/editline] This statement is SO true. Just imagine. This was a level 1 facility. It goes all the way up to 3 and it only gets worse.[/QUOTE] i want to see a level 3 prison. stabbed for using slightly too much toothpaste.

Fuck that shit, and I thought regular prison was some shit..

I thought that too.

I often drive past this place. Doesn't look too bad from the outside

Our one has an anti-aircraft battery on the roof. Them IRA tried many a trick with helicopters back in the day.

I had the dishonor of spending 23 days in this facility over 20 years ago. Some of what has been said was true then and I'm sure it's true now. Other parts of your tour were probably over hyped by the SSGT who gave you the tour. First a little background. I was court-marshaled for tipping over a video game and taking $12.75. I was wicked drunk at the time and mad because the game stole my money. Afterwords I got in a fight with the L.E.s (Law Enforcement) who came to find out who did it. There's more, but all but the theft got dropped. Crying... I don't recall crying - but it wasn't because I didn't want to. Frankly I was afraid to show any weakness at all. I fully understand anyone who does cry though. Here's why: No matter what anyone in the Air Force says, they likely signed up because they wanted to serve their country. It's a very honorable thing to do and you take pride in it. Going to jail is not a prideful thing and it shows dishonor. That's painful. Most serve for a love of freedom - jail is the opposite of freedom. From the minute I exited the car I was escorted to the jail every step was another announcement that it was real, that I was going to jail. I felt like I let my folks down, my friends down, my unborn children down... you get the picture. When you walk in you are greeted by several 'guards' -- basically Normal Air Force L.E.s with a boring assignment who have to make an impression. They give you grief but they had nothing on my DI from basic. You go through the rules, sign papers, empty pockets etc... Every step it's still getting more real. You would think that the sentencing was the real part, but for whatever reason it wasn't for me. They check your uniforms and remove patches, rank, etc... It's painful, even when you know it's going to happen. Then they lead you to the room looking into the 'break' area. At this point they do a safety check while the prisoners are yelling all sorts of foul stuff about what they will do to you. I'm 99% sure the guards put them up to it. I stopped wanting to cry when I heard the first one start squeelling like a pig and the others yelled out how much fun they were going to have with me. The fear set in and I put on my best "I'll kill the first person who looks at me wrong" face. Day to day... I was escorted to my bunk. (First bunk inside the gate, top bed) and told the rest of the rules while I put my stuff up. Mostly like Basic but not as hard core. The bad part? When the door shut. That loud metal on metal clang of a sliding steel door made an impression. Day to day in the jail is BORING to the extreme. We had a set schedule and one day runs strait into the next and time passes. Crapping in an open stall is awkward to say the least. You are at your most vulnerable while seated with your pants at your ankles. I'm not sure I did that at all for my first week. Showering is awkward - ever think of fighting naked? I never had to but I when you think it might happen... I seriously can't imaging fighting with my jiggly bits hanging out. The bluster of the inmates on that first night was just that, bluster. For the most part they were like me, people who did stupid stuff and were paying the price. Rape: Didn't happen while I was there. I think the other guys would kill anyone that tried. Seriously. Inmates One of the inmates was convicted of murder. He stayed in the cell area to the left of the break room. One of the inmates was there because he helped the first one - he gave him the knife. Two of them tried to kill thier wives. One with his fists the other with a knife (stabbed her 200 times. I still can't believe she didn't die.) One guy was an accomplished thief. By that I mean that he had gotten away with stealing ten's of thousands of dollars worth of stuff but was busted while leaving the country. He told the customs guy to be careful with his Rolex. The guy behind him was an L.E. who had worked on that case. One guy (who came in during my last week) was in for flashing Most of the rest were in because they stole debit cards and used them. For the guys who killed or tried to kill Lakenheath was the first stop on the way to Leavenworth. Oddly - they were all 'normal' folks. I found that to be the creepiest thing. I slept two bunks down from a guy who stabbed his wife 200 times. He was sad all the time but he was pretty much 'normal'. It's a lesson I'll remember for ever. Even the one who killed a guy he worked with seemed like a nice guy. He laughed, talked shop, smoked and didn't at all seem to be as Bat smack crazy as I thought he should have. --- See Shawshank Redemption sometime - they were alot like that. Things I did that you would never expect while in jail: I'm a goal driven person and have been forever. When put in an impossible place I decided to make impossible goals. It keeps your mind busy. My goals were; get drunk, play a piano, get laid. Though I achieved two of the three I did pursue the third and I got a phone number. Close doesn't count in such matters. Get drunk: I was in during the Independence day celebration - we had clean up the next day and folks were kind enough to leave plenty of liquor bottles with enough 'juice' in them to make the day fly. Piano: I was assigned to clean up the high school. I played the one behind the stage for thirty minutes. The administrator even clapped for me. It was a highlight to be sure. Last goal: got the number while in line at the mess hall. Some chicks have no taste and no morals. That's all I'm going to say about that. Guards Whenever we left the facility we had one guard. They were never big enough to control two of us much less six. Their standard statement - "Run if you want to, I won't try and stop you. You won't outrun my radio though." No one tried while I was there. They were pleasant. There wasn't any reason for them to be otherwise. Everyone did what they were told, everyone followed the rules. My favorite guard was 'Flash' - so named because he loved Flash Gorden. The other guards would sing the old Queen song whenever they saw him. Nice guy. Leaving Jail. Like going in, all the guards are there. They shake your hand and welcome you back. The guy who ran it patted me on the back and told me I was a good influence on the other inmates and he was glad I was leaving. I spent 23 days of a thirty day sentence. I finished my two year tour and I remained in the Air Force for another three years or so. I did more stupid stuff that I avoided get caught doing. Oddly, the stupid stuff taught me that integrity, honor and duty were more important than a good time. What I learned? Loosing your freedom is painful to the soul. You don't really get over that feeling of disappointing everyone you love. You can't detect killers. The guy next to you in class might have killed someone and you would never know it. You might think you understand that, but you won't unless you meet someone who attempted to dismember another person with a Swiss army knife. You might be able to detect perverts. The flasher was definitely an off his rocker, anti-social, weird dude. My sentence saved him from a severe beating. I was going home three days after he came in and I wouldn't be a part of it. Thieves can be interesting and amusing to talk to. They love to share the secrets of their craft. Not the 'I stole my room mates debit card' type - the Rolex type. No one admits guilt directly - but they'll share the details if you let them. Strange. Breaking out No one tried, but it would have been easy. The small trapezoidal shaped exercise yard had a fence that was only about eight feet tall, the barbed wire was lose and falling down in places. There were chairs stacked almost as tall as the fence in the corner to right. Easy. The roof was made of clay shakes with no insulation and nothing to stop you from simply pushing them out of the way. It would have taken me about two minutes to get out at any time. That sucked because there was no challenge to getting out - just trying to stay out. I kind of had it worked out by the time I left but like Flash said - you can't out run the radio. At least you won't for long, eventually they will catch you and put you in a worse place. Thank you for writing about your tour. No one wants to reminisce about going to jail and when I stumbled on your post I was forced to do just that. I just thought I'd help fill in some of the blanks and maybe answer some questions. Good luck to you.

I was the female inmate that didn't cry. And I actually had a really fun time at the UKCF. I hope all my fellow inmates and my guards are doing well!

You know if you actually are, you sound like a very interesting person. Godspeed

[QUOTE=The mouse;30223683]How does one even end up in a Military prison? Friendly fire? Disobeying orders? Risking their own life?[/QUOTE] Well when I went through basic, we had a kid who went awol within the first 4 hours of him being on base. He was gone for 9 hours and came back on his own free will. He was charged for it and is now spending a very very long time at Ft. Leavenworth. Guy couldn't even handle processing week, literally the week where they basically word for word say that if you tell them that you have anxiety or depression, or ever smoked pot they'll send you home. Feel pretty bad for the guy, I mean, yeah I think he's a bitch, but he was very clearly in WAYYY over his head (Fucking US army propaganda bullshit must have had him seeing so far into Uncle Sam's ass I swear to god, there's no way this kid would otherwise consider joining the army) and he made a really irrational decision. Damn shame he's completely fucked for it too, but that's life I guess. I'd wager he's either in suicide watch at Leavenworth or actually managed to end it. Kid was really that mentally weak. You can also end up there for sexual harassment, just about anything really. They try to handle stuff without prison as best they can though, since there's a lot of money that goes into a soldier. IIRC, over $300,000 is spent just to get one person from MEPS to basic alone or some stupid figure like that.