Ghost in the Shell - Trailer #2 - General

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51818153]I personally love the original movie but American audiences would not be able to sit through it.[/QUOTE] Maybe a movie like that won't pull the same audience in size or demographic that action schlock does, but does it need to in order to justify existing? Schlock breeds more schlock and I'd bet good money that a blockbuster with some depth would be quite refreshing. For example District 9 and I, Robot did pretty well in the box office from what I can tell. The Matrix did incredibly well too. Idk I highly doubt there's not enough of the right people out there for a modern Blade Runner/Clockwork Orange/2001/etc level of cinema to still rake in $$$. Not everything needs to or should be Transformers or PotC.

I'd pay big bucks for something like Clockwork Orange - but it absolutely should never be remade. It's too much of a classic. Same with 2001. Never was a fan of Blade Runner though, so no opinion there.

[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51818262]I'd pay big bucks for something like Clockwork Orange - but it absolutely should never be remade. It's too much of a classic. Same with 2001. Never was a fan of Blade Runner though, so no opinion there.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying those movies should be remade but that dissuading making higher level cinema because it won't sell to the lowest denominator is bad.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;51818284]I'm not saying those movies should be remade but that dissuading making higher level cinema because it won't sell to the lowest denominator is bad.[/QUOTE] Oh I know you weren't, but with how movies are right now it's just remake after remake after remake.

I dont think anyone involved in this actually understands Ghost In The Shell.

I'd bet there are plenty of people involved who do, but also that the conference room meetings resulted in, "This intellectual hoity-toity stuff is all well and good but god damn are Americans too stupid to understand basic anything." - Strawman McGee Basically the same deal as the theatrical release of Blade Runner but these days directors are so groped by the balls that I'd be shocked to hear there was an attempt to fight back for artistic integrity. I got 5 bux riding on this just-a' burnin' a hole in my pocket.

Well that just looks goofy [img]https://puu.sh/u2xii/c02c01d5de.png[/img]

I really hope its just the way the trailers are edited/marketed that makes this film seem like a big dumb Hollywood adaption.

[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;51820500]I really hope its just the way the trailers are edited/marketed that makes this film seem like a big dumb Hollywood adaption.[/QUOTE] BUT THAT IS WHAT IT IS, jeez, everyone is acting like they wrote papers about the original GiTS. i can understand everyone is triggered by stuff like this happening [video=youtube;jafd97yJFOI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jafd97yJFOI[/video] but its not that anime can't be adapted to live action. the issue is [I]to who[/I] you're adapting it. GiTS's teathrical relase was mostly an action film with superb animation aimed at an audience who was already familiar with the concept of violence and existencialism. the whole movie has like what, 10-15mins of exposition about life and what constitutes an human being, another 15 minutes of action, and the rest is long, panoramic shots. doing so in what is the trend would end up being a massive flop to american audiences - hell, it happened to starship troopers and that has mountains of "read between piles of dead bugs". its like we're about to face yet another "ghostbusters" incident like last year, but this time there is no bill murray, only a ghost.

I actually did write a paper on Ghost in the Shell :v: It was for Comp 1 a year or two ago. Granted, it was a "compare contrast something" essay and I did "differences between show and movie" but it still counted!

I still really don't like the core conceit of the Major as different, special, a forerunner of cyborgs, a mysterious past to her robotics. What GITS '95 (the only GITS I've seen/read) does that is really fascinating is focusing on the dehumanization resulting from transhumanism in a really direct way - not only are cyborgs like Kusanagi commonplace, but [I]her own face[/I] is common as well. While out on the town she sees another woman who looks identical, and the Puppet Master's shell (despite having different skin tone and hair) has pretty much the same face as well. She's [I]not[/I] a special vanguard, and that makes her more compelling. [t]http://i2.wp.com/www.monkeysfightingrobots.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Ghost-in-the-Shell.jpg[/t] It's kind of like how I felt about the hints in the [I]Amazing Spider-Man[/I] movies that something special in Peter's past led to him becoming Spider-Man; the strength of the story is in the fact that although fanciful on a surface level aspects of their situation can be plausible to the average person. [QUOTE=MadBomber;51820194]Well that just looks goofy [img]https://puu.sh/u2xii/c02c01d5de.png[/img][/QUOTE] I actually quite like the geisha-bots, neat practical effects and artificial human shapes moving in non-human ways really appeal to me. [editline]14th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Metaru;51821266] but its not that anime can't be adapted to live action. the issue is [I]to who[/I] you're adapting it. GiTS's teathrical relase was mostly an action film with superb animation aimed at an audience who was already familiar with the concept of violence and existencialism. the whole movie has like what, 10-15mins of exposition about life and what constitutes an human being, another 15 minutes of action, and the rest is long, panoramic shots. doing so in what is the trend would end up being a massive flop to american audiences - hell, it happened to starship troopers and that has mountains of "read between piles of dead bugs".[/QUOTE] I had to see GITS '95 twice to get a handle on the plot and themes, and I'm already predisposed to liking animation and slow, thoughtful movies. It goes light on the character and organization setups (although it does give you enough to understand what's going on) in favor of mood and philosophizing, which makes for a good cinema experience but would 100% bomb as a tentpole blockbuster.

[QUOTE=bunguer;51816840]I'm not sure how you can say that from the trailers alone, especially when it's clear they are adapting iconic scenes and not merely using the name of the anime to do god knows what. As I said previously, adaptions are hard and making a 1-to-1 copy, not only is unrealistic, it would also probably feel weird. For some reason, there's a lot of negativity and while I understand the skepticism, nothing on these trailers seem that bad and most of the critics are either nitpicks (palette of colors) or assumptions about the end-product. I hope I'm right about being half-decent because I would like anime to be taken more seriously and this could introduce the medium to a lot of people.[/QUOTE] I don't think people want a 1:1 copy, that's asking for way too much and honestly I think adaptations are cool because it's someone else's creative twist on the original. I personally would not want a 1:1 live action GiTS, it wouldn't work and it'd be weird. If I wanted to watch GiTS, I'd watch GiTS, not an exact remake of it but with real actors and setpieces. I'm remaining decently optimistic but this trailer mostly killed it for me. I know that trailers are trailers but let's be real here, not a whole lot in this trailer alludes even remotely to the original GiTS at a glance. The underlying themes aren't there. What makes GiTS as a whole interesting are the overarching themes. The theme is the canvas and the plot and characters are the paintings. Visually, this movie looks very impressive and it reminds me of what a modern Blade Runner might look like, which is awesome. Intellectually, it looks like it lacks a lot of what made GiTS what it was. I don't mind playing around with the characters and the plot but the themes and subtexts should be preserved as closely as possible. Otherwise there's no point. They ironically managed to make the Major more human than she was in the original movie. Rarely did she ever express any emotion in the original and in this adaptation she freaks out after learning she's just a killer cyborg. That's all fine and dandy on its own, that would be a creative twist on her as a character. What I dislike is how generic it is. I guess in its own way it will tie into the original, but it will still have many disconnects from it. I'll still watch it though.

[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51816558]Scarlett Johansson still should [B]not[/B] be the Major.[/QUOTE] "They created me.. But they cannot control me" I actually said "fuck off" out loud when I heard her deliver that line. She's just the ultimate tryhard Hollywood actress, I cannot bear her and she's going to completely butcher the role imo. The only interesting part about this movie is the visuals.

[QUOTE=srobins;51824265]"They created me.. But they cannot control me" I actually said "fuck off" out loud when I heard her deliver that line. She's just the ultimate tryhard Hollywood actress, I cannot bear her and she's going to completely butcher the role imo. The only interesting part about this movie is the visuals.[/QUOTE] Batou's actor is pretty interesting, looking forward to seeing how that works out. [editline]14th February 2017[/editline] [t]http://i.imgur.com/dludx4r.jpg[/t] Here's my only other casting complaint. He's supposed to be the youngest member of Section 9.

There are two big red flags for me, just from the trailers. First, there's the "they created me, but they can't control me", the "you are special", the "you were the first of your kind" stuff that is not only really out of character for GitS, it's also incredibly generic. One of the most interesting points of the '95 film is that consciousness and individuality are abstract concepts that are hard to apply when your self and everything you are and know is nothing but data that can be manipulated or erased by some geek with a working knowledge of cracking and you don't even know if you were ever a real person. Similar themes are explored in the manga, where the Major is hinted to be one of many Majors, and SAC, where Section 9's robotic tanks appear to end up developing awareness despite being purely machine. I don't get any hint of something like this from the trailers, but that *could* be because those elements are actually in the movie but nobody has enough faith in audiences to think that they could be used in a trailer. The second is something I haven't seen anyone talk about, but none of the trailers I've seen have made even passing mention of the director, as opposed to the stars in the cast. This is what really scares me. When the director isn't mentioned, I get the sneaking suspicion that somebody's deliberately avoiding mentioning the director, a la After Earth, or that the director really doesn't matter and is interchangeable and therefore the marketing team is trying to sell the movie on the stars alone. It makes me think that the director is at best competent and unremarkable, at worst a yes-man for the producers and the results they derived from focus-group testing. Seeing as this film's director is known for advertisements and "Snow White and the Huntsman", I'm not exactly optimistic.

[QUOTE=Pitchfork;51824419]First, there's the "they created me, but they can't control me", the "you are special", the "you were the first of your kind" stuff that is not only really out of character for GitS, it's also incredibly generic. One of the most interesting points of the '95 film is that consciousness and individuality are abstract concepts that are hard to apply when your self and everything you are and know is nothing but data that can be manipulated or erased by some geek with a working knowledge of cracking and you don't even know if you were ever a real person. Similar themes are explored in the manga, where the Major is hinted to be one of many Majors, and SAC, where Section 9's robotic tanks appear to end up developing awareness despite being purely machine. I don't get any hint of something like this from the trailers, but that *could* be because those elements are actually in the movie but nobody has enough faith in audiences to think that they could be used in a trailer.[/QUOTE] Instead they opted to spoil most of the plotline and reiterate major plot points several times lest you forget. Looks nice though.

[QUOTE=haloguy234;51823619]Visually, this movie looks very impressive and it reminds me of what a modern Blade Runner might look like, which is awesome. Intellectually, it looks like it lacks a lot of what made GiTS what it was. I don't mind playing around with the characters and the plot but the themes and subtexts should be preserved as closely as possible. Otherwise there's no point.[/QUOTE] I absolutely love the city design. It does really feel like a next step from [I]Blade Runner[/I] - giant screens aren't really impressive, but giant holograms sure are. [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/49/Blade_Runner_spinner_flyby.png[/IMG] [t]https://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ghost-in-the-shell-trailer-017.jpg[/t] Plus "rainy nighttime city lit by neon" is my favorite aesthetic so I am a bit biased there.

I've never seen GitS but that trailer sucked. The guy in the hood sounded hammy, the Major sounded wooden and something seems off about the white haired guy.

If you wanted to make a big dumb hollywood action movie out of gits then just take the plot of the 2nd episode of stand alone complex. The whole episode is them trying to stop a renegade tank as it rampages its way from one city to another. It's revealed that the tank was being piloted by the disembodied brain of its designer, who was going to use it to kill his parents as revenge for prohibiting him from receiving treatment from a terminal disease. It's thought provoking yet simple to comprehend and has lots of opportunities for explosions.

[QUOTE=Jackald;51823687]They turned GitS into robocop. Not interested in this in the slightest.[/QUOTE] Gits is robocop, mind you. the whole concept of "what constitutes an human being while shooting down shit" is present in both films. i'm willing to admit they would even coexist in the same unniverse, albeit on different periods of time.

[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51824277]Batou's actor is pretty interesting, looking forward to seeing how that works out. [editline]14th February 2017[/editline] [t]http://i.imgur.com/dludx4r.jpg[/t] Here's my only other casting complaint. He's supposed to be the youngest member of Section 9.[/QUOTE] I think something was fucked with the lighting in that picture, because Togusa shows up in this trailer at 38 seconds in and he doesn't look THAT old.

Hey guys, let's make a western movie version of this super popular Japanese franchise called Ghost in the Shell. But wait, we have to make a movie of the anime movie, though. Not the comic or the series, because people only know about the original movie. But we can't make it a psychological thriller like the original movie, we have to make it action oriented like the series and manga and oh my god I don't think we have a clue what the fuck we're doing.

Jesus, the way half this thread is carrying on you'd think Hollywood is trying to retcon GitS out of existence, rather than simply offering an alternative take on a fairly robust sci fi universe. You can't like the original movie AND Stand Alone Complex and still think there is a "right" way to do this franchise.

[QUOTE=Tunak Mk. II;51826637]Jesus, the way half this thread is carrying on you'd think Hollywood is trying to retcon GitS out of existence, rather than simply offering an alternative take on a fairly robust sci fi universe. You can't like the original movie AND Stand Alone Complex and still think there is a "right" way to do this franchise.[/QUOTE] The problem is that, while the manga, the original movies, and stand alone complex all have varying characterizations to differing degrees, they're still more or less riding tracks going in the same direction, and this is straying a little too far off in my personal opinion. The biggest offenders here are Motoko being "the first of [her] kind", even in SAC where she was more like a superhero and having a more unique appearance than most, she was still nothing particularly new (admittedly its been awhile since ive seen 2nd Gig and Solid State Society so i might be wrong). I mean she does become something along those lines [sp]with the Puppet Master[/sp], but it doesnt look like they're pulling the trigger on that in this movie.

Can anyone point me to what I should watch when it comes to GitS, cause I tried to find it myself and there's 2 series and a movie and I have no idea which ones are good or not.

[QUOTE=Killer monkey;51826913]Can anyone point me to what I should watch when it comes to GitS, cause I tried to find it myself and there's 2 series and a movie and I have no idea which ones are good or not.[/QUOTE] I havent seen it personally but ive heard you shouldnt touch Arise with a ten foot pole.

[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51824277]Batou's actor is pretty interesting, looking forward to seeing how that works out. [editline]14th February 2017[/editline] [t]http://i.imgur.com/dludx4r.jpg[/t] Here's my only other casting complaint. He's supposed to be the youngest member of Section 9.[/QUOTE] I also have some casting complaints [t]http://i.imgur.com/4UYHT8A.png[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/jZO03sc.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/0sjtNpo.png[/t] 'wooow batou!'

[QUOTE=Killer monkey;51826913]Can anyone point me to what I should watch when it comes to GitS, cause I tried to find it myself and there's 2 series and a movie and I have no idea which ones are good or not.[/QUOTE] The '95 movie is good, just make sure you watch the original version. There's a "2.0" rerelease that changed some color grading, replaced some scenes with CG, and made a few edits and IMO all the visual changes are for the worse. [IMG]http://www.schnittberichte.com/pics/SBs/200/825158/intro_1_1.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://www.schnittberichte.com/pics/SBs/200/825158/intro_2_1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.schnittberichte.com/pics/SBs/200/825158/1_1_4.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://www.schnittberichte.com/pics/SBs/200/825158/2_1_4.jpg[/IMG] I have also heard that Stand Alone Complex (miniseries) is good. From what I understand, the Ghost In The Shell franchise is pretty fragmented in that, although the basic setup and backstory is the same across the different OVAs and movies, there's not necessarily direct sequels or major continuity across the different installments. Someone who has seen more than one can probably correct me on that though.

[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;51827196] I have also heard that Stand Alone Complex (miniseries) is good. From what I understand, the Ghost In The Shell franchise is pretty fragmented in that, although the basic setup and backstory is the same across the different OVAs and movies, there's not necessarily direct sequels or major continuity across the different installments. Someone who has seen more than one can probably correct me on that though.[/QUOTE] Yeah Stand Alone Complex is :ok:, and the franchise is fragmented, theres no real in continuity overlap besides the same basic premise across the manga, films, OVA's, and series'. We might be getting a 3rd Gig of SAC though.

[QUOTE=Killer monkey;51826913]Can anyone point me to what I should watch when it comes to GitS, cause I tried to find it myself and there's 2 series and a movie and I have no idea which ones are good or not.[/QUOTE] Watch Ghost in the Shell (1995) (2.0 is trash), Ghost in the Shell 2 and Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex.