Pantera is genuine headmoving material. Thankyou. Even non-metal fans move their heads to Pantera.
[QUOTE=TheGuru;20544995]Because people don't like it? I like some melodeath but a lot of newer stuff is borderline *core or just new wave American metal which I personally don't really enjoy.[/QUOTE]
Can you give some examples?
I've browsed through a [b]lot[/b] of melodic death metal, and I try to focus on newer albums (1995+; a lot of the albums I've gotten that are pretty good are 2005+), and I've yet to encounter any *core. And NWOAHM doesn't really have a defined sound (to me at least), so I don't know if I've encountered any, or if I like it.
:v:
Well if you take the Universum song you posted before as an example, it really does sound to me like the vocals resemble something I'd hear in metalcore, the guitar work is downtuned and overly heavy, reminiscent of the new wave (not saying only new wave metal has downtuned guitars and a heavy sound).
It's all perceptive to different people I guess. I would define typical new wave metal as being heavy for the sake of being heavy. But I digress, there are exceptions to my massive generalisations because I actually do like some new wave bands and some melodeath (as I enjoy Machine Head, Wintersun, Children of Bodom etc).
It's also worth noting that the general trend of metal is that newer albums sound a lot heavier, due to mastering and production methods (which I personally dislike). Even Megadeth's last 2 albums have succumbed to this, they sound noticeably heavier than their earlier stuff. And as a general rule, all the rebellious 13 year olds out there like to listen to the heaviest stuff because that's the most hardcore thing to do. That gives those heavy bands a bad image to those who listen to 'real' metal.
I'm not trying to say any subgenre is better than another, this is just what I've noticed. I have my preferences and others have theirs.
[QUOTE=TheGuru;20548264]Well if you take the Universum song you posted before as an example, it really does sound to me like the vocals resemble something I'd hear in metalcore, the guitar work is downtuned and overly heavy, reminiscent of the new wave (not saying only new wave metal has downtuned guitars and a heavy sound).
It's all perceptive to different people I guess. I would define typical new wave metal as being heavy for the sake of being heavy. But I digress, there are exceptions to my massive generalisations because I actually do like some new wave bands and some melodeath (as I enjoy Machine Head, Wintersun, Children of Bodom etc).
It's also worth noting that the general trend of metal is that newer albums sound a lot heavier, due to mastering and production methods (which I personally dislike). Even Megadeth's last 2 albums have succumbed to this, they sound noticeably heavier than their earlier stuff. And as a general rule, all the rebellious 13 year olds out there like to listen to the heaviest stuff because that's the most hardcore thing to do. That gives those heavy bands a bad image to those who listen to 'real' metal.
I'm not trying to say any subgenre is better than another, this is just what I've noticed. I have my preferences and others have theirs.[/QUOTE]
Personally, I think you're a bit misguided on the vocals. The vocals that Universum have are something that I have noticed to be becoming more popular within the melodic death metal scene. Whether they're influenced by metalcore, or metalcore are influenced by them, I can't say. However, out of the metalcore I've heard, while some may have vocals that appear to sound similar to Universum, they're usually done much more poorly; they tend to be done, as you say later on, to seem 'heavy for the sake heaviness'.
While they're definitely not early Decapitated or Necrophagist gurgles, I think it'd be a far to call them metalcore vocals. As to the downtuned guitars, forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a relatively normal thing for death metal? Towards the heavy, I personally think this is a good thing, as melodic death metal in recent years has seemed, to me at least, to becoming more "melodic" than "death metal." The riffs have become simpler and lighter, and in some cases, almost pathetically weak.
Personally I think bands like Universum are trying to fall back to the earlier years of melodic death metal, where the emphasis was on the emotion of the guitar and the vocals, as well as the message behind the lyrics. Again, this is just my own opinion, and I personally like it.
I could have just as easily chose a band like [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_YJXhC0yXA]As Memory Dies[/url], [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ap62h-qhBE&feature=related]Neptune[/url], or [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5q0vOzBKR4]myGRAIN[/url]. Call it what you will, but I personally believe this is the way that melodic death metal needs to go; it needs to get out of the rut of regurgitation its been in, and I feel that this is a direction the genre needs to go in.
Some would argue that this isn't melodic death metal, and I'd partially agree; it's something different, evolving from melodic death metal. You could almost say it's as much melodic death metal as black or death metal are thrash metal; one may have evolved from the other, and share some things in common, but they're not the same.
That's all in my opinion, of course, and I respect yours as well. And, personally, I like the stronger production; a lot of older albums sound too weak because of their production. Some people argue it's for "dynamics" and "before the war of loudness," but I call bullshit on most of that; the dynamics are still there even when they're produced to sound "heavier." Hell, the dynamics are usually more pronounced that way. But then, I like well-produced music, so whatever. :v:
I think you failed to notice that I used the word 'resemble', and I admitted that lots of metal uses downtuned heavy guitars. My point was that the heavy and thick sound has only really become more prominent in recent metal. It's not about dynamics or the loudness war. The difference is in the sound, newer stuff tends to have more bass mixed in, the guitars have their EQs scooped and this produces an overall more full and thick sound.
The loudness war is where the waveforms are compressed to allow the volume to be consistently louder (thus killing dynamics and reducing sound quality, as the waveforms are clipped).
Oh my god is this thread still going
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;20538568]No I'm not trolling. I just think that people who don't know shit about Metal should stay quiet.[/QUOTE]
Excuse me? You just said that Mastodon is Screamo, who is the one who doesn't know shit 'bout the metal?
If you listen to dragonforce you're not a true metal fan k :v:
[QUOTE=mynames2long;20549097]Excuse me? You just said that Mastodon is Screamo, who is the one who doesn't know shit 'bout the metal?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheGuru;20544308]He didn't say it was. He was just generalising that the music posted by most deemed to be headbang-incucing was just crappy modern melodeth. And to some extent I agree, it's just not necessary to verbalise that opinion; the metal community whines and bitches about what real metal is.
If someone thinks Mastodon is *core who cares anyway? Does it stop you from enjoying it?[/QUOTE]
Let's drop this already.
[QUOTE=rysnyper455;20549102]If you listen to dragonforce you're not a true metal fan k :v:[/QUOTE]
I don't see whats so bad about Dragonforce. Sure TTFATF is an overrated song, but the band is still good.
[QUOTE=Hakita;20551632]I don't see whats so bad about Dragonforce. Sure TTFATF is an overrated song, but the band is still good.[/QUOTE]
All their songs sound exactly the same. Good if you like that stuff, but it gets really repetitive.
Theres actually a video somewhere on youtube, expertly mixed, where its like a compilation of a ton of dragonsarse's songs spliced perfectly into each other, and it's near impossible to tell them apart.
Mastodon are whalecore, motherfucker :c00lbert:
[QUOTE=MotherPuncher;20557071]Mastodon are whalecore, motherfucker :c00lbert:[/QUOTE]
Haha, right
Guys, why dont you make a Mastodon thread or bump an old one if there is.
I still think meshuggah are the ultimate test, if you have iron flowing in your veins you will sing, bounce band your head or windmill to this.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7udFMFlwOk&feature=related[/media]
[QUOTE=MotherPuncher;20557071]Mastodon are whalecore, motherfucker :c00lbert:[/QUOTE]
Gojira is whalecore.
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Wow, I just realized whalecore's a real genre.
so is crabcore!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP3hS8P_etQ[/media]
Rush!!!!
wearin my rush t shirt
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeOrddRaSM8[/media]
i love posting this at the drop of a hat
Looks like I've been a poser for the past 7 years of my life then.
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[QUOTE=TheGuru;20544995]Because people don't like it? I like some melodeath but a lot of newer stuff is borderline *core or just new wave American metal which I personally don't really enjoy.[/QUOTE]
Old melodeath is where its at. In Flames (Reroute to Remain and earlier were boss, same with Dark Tranquility)
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[QUOTE=bravehat;20558323]I still think meshuggah are the ultimate test, if you have iron flowing in your veins you will sing, bounce band your head or windmill to this.[/QUOTE]
You sir, earn my utmost respect. Simply because you said Meshuggah's name.
This is a good song for the headmover test, Skip to 30 seconds:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy_UCychMB4[/media]
Listening to In Flames makes me want to bang my head against a hard surface
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not in a good way
If you dont pay homage to Black sabbath you are not a metal fan, Even if you dont listen to them you have to at least know that without black sabbath there is no metal as we know it, Also they are as heavy as anything out there, By the way Fast playing does not equal Heavy.
[QUOTE=Azgorath;20567825]If you dont pay homage to Black sabbath you are not a metal fan, Even if you dont listen to them you have to at least know that without black sabbath there is no metal as we know it, Also they are as heavy as anything out there, By the way Fast playing does not equal Heavy.[/QUOTE]
Theres lot's of bands that paved the way for metal (Beatles, Led Zepplin, etc), but yeah, I see where you're coming from.
The only reason I know the drum beat is because I learned how to play the first parts of it on guitar.
[QUOTE=articpenguin;20564513]You sir, earn my utmost respect. Simply because you said Meshuggah's name.[/QUOTE]
I really can't get into meshuggah, everything about them screams that I should like them but I find them a bit dull
[QUOTE=articpenguin;20564513]
You sir, earn my utmost respect. Simply because you said Meshuggah's name.[/QUOTE]
I also have this t shirt
[img]http://www.ukrockshop.com/acatalog/ts_mesh_nothing.jpg[/img]
and im waiting for the day they play glasgow or a festival im going to.
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