COH portrayed both sides evenly, which was good, but an FPS from the German point of view would be great. I'm sure that some game devs have probably thought about it but it would create too much controversy to portray the Germans as the good guys, even if they weren't portrayed as Nazis.
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[QUOTE=Wordsworth;16008077]How were they depicted in Company of Hero's?
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The American's wern't angels in the war either.[/QUOTE]
Axis and Allies were treated evenly. The cutscenes in the game didn't portray the Wehrmacht as a bunch of ruthless killers but rather as soldiers fighting for their country, exactly as the Americans were portrayed.
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[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16000725]Haven't you noticed how Germany try and cover up their past at every opportunity. They allow just enough to remain so as to be respectful.[/QUOTE]
Cover up their past? Have you ever looked at modern day Germany? They are guilty as hell about WW2, more so than any other country.
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[QUOTE=Stolz;16000832]Yes, and they hated the fact that their country was being overrun with jewish immigrants and whatnot. For any one who lives in border states, compare it to that. How do you like not having a job, being unable to understand the people around you, schools overcrowding with them, feeling like a minority in your own country, while the immigrants have no respect for you or your country whatsoever?
Don't say its not like that because in Southern California it is.. and you brits can relate to the muslims flooding Europe.
That's how the nazis felt about the jews, but what is wrong with that? They just went about it in a harsh manner because their leader happened to be a little fucked up in the head.
Still, the winner writes the story.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this, but I don't think Jews were a large enough minority in Germany then as you're saying.
The Outfit did a good job by showing that the Wermacht weren't all that bad and the SS were fucking assholes. It's also made by the guys who did Company of Heroes, that's probably why.
Call me a bigot, but I've always thought it was funny how Nazzies were portrayed in the Castle of Wolfenstein games, especially Robo-Hitler. Speaking of Wolfenstein, the new one sounds fun as hell.
[QUOTE=Ninja_Blue;15998531]It's called patriotism. Get over it.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between patriotism and [I]nationalism.[/I]
There's a difference between nationalism and communism!
[QUOTE=DualReaver;16008792]There's a difference between nationalism and communism![/QUOTE]
There's a difference between communism and socialism!
[QUOTE=DualReaver;16008792]There's a difference between nationalism and communism![/QUOTE]
What does that have to do with anything I said?
[QUOTE=bigdoggie;15998537]I'd love to see a game where they portray the Axis as the good guys, as if you were in the eyes of ein Deutschlander or something.
You know, play as the "bad guy", but with a good story and shit.[/QUOTE]
Not a game, but the book "Soldier Boys" (no it's not written by Soulja Cunt) shows it from both points of view.
You're right man let's portray the enemy as good guys that'll make us want to kill them and fight wars against them.
[QUOTE=aridpheonix;16008869]You're right man let's portray the enemy as good guys that'll make us want to kill them and fight wars against them.[/QUOTE]
That's right, because god knows we are still at war with the Japanese, Germans, and Soviets.
[QUOTE=Thlis;15999008]The statistics say otherwise.
[img]http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9302/statisticsciviliancasul.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
It's cause those fucking dumb asses [B]banzai charged[/B] the enemy.
No don't use your gun for [i]shooting[/i], use it for [I]stabbing[/I].
Perfect [I]fucking[/I] sense.
[QUOTE=Sh33p;15998855]Did every German commit the Holocaust?
Also, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.[/QUOTE]
Did every American bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Plus both of those were last, LAST resort after Japan wasn't smart enough to give up, while the Holocaust was just a bunch of idiot Nazis running around shooting jews.
[QUOTE=ray243;15998487]I hate how those ww2 movies showed that all nazis are evil or all japs are evil in games like COD, and a shitload of fucking movies I can't remember.
They always show americans with 1 to 2 people dead, while hundreds of germans dead.
They are just like the americans, they got normal families, and normal lives, but are forced to join the army.
Same goes for communist, Just because they believe in that idea, it means they are EVILLLLLL
Oh, and I recommend LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA. The Iwo Jima battle, from the japanese side.[/QUOTE]
I agree completely.
The Americans are always pictured as better (of course, in American films that is) than everyone else, and historical accuracy is removed from historical events involving America to make this happen.
Look at movies like The Patriot, one of the most inaccurate films there is. Of course, it's biased to America.
America in WW2 actually had poor infantry when compared to other nations. Germany, Japan, and Great Britain had the best trained troops at the time, but in war movies and games, it's shown that 5 Americans can kill 500 Germans and only lose 1 soldier.
It's senseless bias.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16009088]I agree completely.
The Americans are always pictured as better (of course, in American films that is) than everyone else, and historical accuracy is removed from historical events involving America to make this happen.
Look at movies like The Patriot, one of the most inaccurate films there is. Of course, it's biased to America.
America in WW2 actually had poor infantry when compared to other nations. Germany, Japan, and Great Britain had the best trained troops at the time, but in war movies and games, it's shown that 5 Americans can kill 500 Germans and only lose 1 soldier.
It's senseless bias.[/QUOTE]
are you really telling me the allies were any near as bad as the axis?
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16009088]I agree completely.
The Americans are always pictured as better (of course, in American films that is) than everyone else, and historical accuracy is removed from historical events involving America to make this happen.
Look at movies like The Patriot, one of the most inaccurate films there is. Of course, it's biased to America.
America in WW2 actually had poor infantry when compared to other nations. Germany, Japan, and Great Britain had the best trained troops at the time, but in war movies and games, it's shown that 5 Americans can kill 500 Germans and only lose 1 soldier.
It's senseless bias.[/QUOTE]
It's the film industry.
[QUOTE=skullhead122;16009105]are you really telling me the allies were any near as bad as the axis?[/QUOTE]
You are completely missing what he was trying to point out.
[QUOTE=skullhead122;16009105]are you really telling me the allies were any near as bad as the axis?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
The Allies suffered more casualties in the battles in general and lost far more battles than the Axis did.
Like I said, Germany had the best troops, Japan the secon best, and Great Britain third.
The problem was Hitler took over the military. Germany had superior leaders, and Hitler was indeed experienced in combat and political leadership, but not military leadership.
I thank God that Hitler made this mistake, because if he didn't there'd probably be Nazi flags waving over every capital of the world right now.
But my point is America's portrayal of history is terrible to say the least. Saying their views on history are "fucking bullshit" is even putting it lightly.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16009149]Yes.
The Allies suffered more casualties in the battles in general and lost far more battles than the Axis did.
Like I said, Germany had the best troops, Japan the secon best, and Great Britain third.
The problem was Hitler took over the military. Germany had superior leaders, and Hitler was indeed experienced in combat and political leadership, but not military leadership.
I thank God that Hitler made this mistake, because if he didn't there'd probably be Nazi flags waving over every capital of the world right now.
But my point is America's portrayal of history is terrible to say the least. Saying their views on history are "fucking bullshit" is even putting it lightly.[/QUOTE]
It's blind patriotism with a complete disregard for reality.
[QUOTE=The_Marine;15998654]The Germans were trying to take over the fucking world.
What do you expect?
And the Japanese were just being overly fucking aggressive.[/QUOTE]
Yeah what the fuck Japan, why'd you knock over our milk. Assholes :mad:
[QUOTE=Darknife;16009220]It's blind patriotism with a complete disregard for reality.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
[QUOTE=Darknife;16009110]You are completely missing what he was trying to point out.[/QUOTE]
re-reading his post i completely did
In a video game, you are usually playing one side. I think they do it to create a distinct difference between the good and evil sides. You could just play multiplayer, there aren't many stereotypes in that.
(This reminds me a question I asked my German teacher if Germans played WW2 games in which you had to kill lots of Nazi troops)
I'm still waiting on Einsatzgruppen; the game.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;16010003]I'm still waiting on Einsatzgruppen; the game.[/QUOTE]
I would not hold your breath, as the member of :airquote:gassed:airquote: Jews drops yearly.
The allies even tortured some poor officer to confess he had single handily killed 10 million Jews.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16009149]Yes.
Like I said, Germany had the best troops, Japan the secon best, and Great Britain third.
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Are you fucking kidding me? Germany, yes, had very high quality troops, especially among the fallschirmjager and other units. However, Japan? Hahaha.
I don't see how you can put Japanese troops above American troops at that point in time. That's ridiculous, Japanese were using an outdated doctrine, poor training and poor equipment. Americans had already smarted up and moved on to a superior infantry doctrine that emphasized massed fire and maneuvering --> this was smart considering the superior firepower in a standard US squad.
You gotta remember, we Americans like the concept of good vs. evil, and we always like to imagine that we are on the 'good' side. (And the 'good' side has to win, too. That's the only way it is ever going to be emmy-worthy)
Reality has no 'good' or 'evil' at all. We have arbitrarily defined evil to be "that which is more like Hitler," and good is "that which is more like Jesus." Sometimes these reference points shift around to different definitions for different times and cultures, but that's what it is for us Americans.
I wouldn't want to play a game where I kill American soldiers.
[QUOTE=professional;16010449]Are you fucking kidding me? Germany, yes, had very high quality troops, especially among the fallschirmjager and other units. However, Japan? Hahaha.
I don't see how you can put Japanese troops above American troops at that point in time. That's ridiculous, Japanese were using an outdated doctrine, poor training and poor equipment. Americans had already smarted up and moved on to a superior infantry doctrine that emphasized massed fire and maneuvering --> this was smart considering the superior firepower in a standard US squad.[/QUOTE]
That only aplies to infantry
Japan got Much superior Aircraft and ships
[QUOTE=Darknife;16008971]It's cause those fucking dumb asses [B]banzai charged[/B] the enemy.
No don't use your gun for [i]shooting[/i], use it for [I]stabbing[/I].
Perfect [I]fucking[/I] sense.[/QUOTE]
Yeah because Japan so had an endless supply of munitions like America...it's called a last resort, dying with honour and for your country. Being in a POW camp wasn't going to help your country tackle the war, it's better to take out 1 soldier in a Banzai charge then not take out any surrendering.
You're calling them dumb asses when the Japanese had the better tactics, effective surprise ambush's that pretty much had the potential to fuck up an entire company. Think twice before you call them dumb asses for defending their country.
[QUOTE=T-hunter;16010713]That only aplies to infantry
Japan got Much superior Aircraft and ships[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that is contestable. Certainly at the onset of the war, Japan's navy clearly outgunned anything the Americans had. Certainly more ships anyway. That changed pretty quickly after Pearl Harbor. As for their aircraft, the Zeroes were certainly faster, but the P51 Mustangs had superior armament and maneuverability.
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