Video of the Student Takeover at Evergreen State College. - General

What if their ancestors were actually slavers

Honestly I wish people stopped caring about ancestry TOO much and stopped taking it TOO seriously. It doesn't really hold weight today regardless of the consequences that you might still suffer to try and hold people accountable, for slavery, because ultimately everyone who caused/agreed with(minus a few idiots) slavery to even be a thing to begin with are dead. You aren't currently a slave, not even your parents or grandparents were. You have the right to live free. Sure, it matters, but not in the present. Let it go. You can understand the consequence of it and respect the history, but don't be ignorant and take it personally.

[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;52292390]I honestly don't even know how to react. They've all lost their fucking minds if they think this will help at all.[/QUOTE] What do you do when you've been taught that all institutions are corrupt and oppress arbitrary classes with their systemtic power? You go fuck up those institutions, even if you're arbitrarily defining them. You want to know something interesting? There's precisely one thing that all genocides have in common, and that's the acceptance/declaration of victim status by the perpetrators. In communist countries, the Kulaks are oppressing the proletariat, property is theft. Go reclaim what's ours. Nazis, the jews are parasitic villains who prey on us, and subvert society for their own ends. The Hutu presented the Tutsi in much the same way. And what's being taught in these classes? The post modernist/marxist view of the world, where you're a victim, you're being oppressed. The majority by volume are your oppressors by virtue of marxist power dynamics, dialogue and the logos is a means of oppression. The white straight males exist at the expense of all other social groups. Revolution is inevitable and indeed, desirable. I'm honestly suprised shit like this doesn't happen [I]more[/I]

can they just expel all these fuckers so they can stop giving universities bad reputation?

[QUOTE=Carbon123;52297936]This year, one of the multicultural office advisors thought it would be a good idea for them to hold their (optional) workshops on campus instead this year, while about 200 students were invited (see: optional) to do it off campus. This also means that it was not all white students on campus. Did I mention that students leaving campus is completely optional? They weren't trying to kick white people out of school by suggesting these off-campus workshops, just like the day of absence has never been about kicking poc off campus either.[/QUOTE] I think it should be clarified here that Bret Weinstein makes it clear in the letter that he knows it is optional: " [img]http://i.imgur.com/i3T5sSI.png[/img] In the interview on the Rubin Report, he also states at 22:50 [I]"There was no requirement for any particular person to be any particular place, but there was extreme coercion"[/I] Is this a lie? At 21:12, he tells a story of a white person who stayed at campus on Day of Absence, and how she was encouraged at the opening ceremony to leave, would you say that that story is false? It surely gives you credibility that you go to the school, but we can read the email and we can see the videos. It does look extreme. Can you elaborate on how he has been casually racist in the past? Is it completely false when he talks about receiving threats, police telling him he's literally unsafe on campus, being 'stalked and hunted', harassment on social media, etc? Further, about the presentation on race he wanted to do, my understanding of the wording in the email isn't that he [I]wants to do that[/I], but rather simply an offer of something he could do instead. Reading into that as something offensive seems ridiculous to me, as the alternative would have been simply to continue his course as usual, ignoring the Day of Absence theme entirely - he offered to make a relevant lecture rather than comply with what he perceived as an oppressive request to stay away. It still sounds like bullshit to me to get at all offended over that offer. [QUOTE=Carbon123;52297936]I understand what he was trying to do but the problem is that by focusing on the science aspect of race it takes away from the issue that students actually want to discuss. Students took issue with this as well because of the fact that he, as a white teacher, has not faced the same degree of racism that many of our PoC faculty and staff have, and believe that it is unfair.[/QUOTE] I feel like this is awkwardly missing the point he also makes in the interview, that he is Jewish. Surely, he should be allowed to speak about discrimination based on race?

This is so stupid it's not even fun.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52293874]This stuff out of control protesting keeps consistently happening. And at this point it is you who is trying to set a narrative/contort reality. If you want to mature and get past character attacking now; Maybe you would like to discuss why this isn't that big of a deal?[/QUOTE] It's not really consistently happening. That's why it's news every time it happens, because it's not common. You want a common problem? How about people getting murdered. Happen multiple times a day in your country and it's a much bigger deal than this stupid shit.

[video=youtube;Xj28qAS8MWU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj28qAS8MWU[/video] [editline]1st June 2017[/editline] I love how massively racist the black students are being the ones who are calling the white teachers/students racists even though they're being 100% fair and equal its literally a guide on "how to not be a hypocrite"

Grandfather was in a concentration camp in WWII, fucked his shit up and he still screams in his sleep around may, does not make me hate germans.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52294528]Sure, alot of things are indirectly responsible to each other socially when looking through history, but I wouldn't blame Boomers for SJWs in any kind of substantial manner that is blamable. I would blame Postmodernism for direct influence.[/QUOTE] Do you even know what postmodernism is?

[QUOTE=matt000024;52300791]Do you even know what postmodernism is?[/QUOTE] I do. SJW types by nature subscribe to it. Or at least it's assertions of social power dynamics and the arbitrary nature of truth. Why do you think they can be so utterly racist while claiming virtue in being anti-racism? Post modernism.

update on my school, campus got shut down and evacuated from a school shooting threat, in addition to alleged police sightings of armed people in the woods, as well as threats from Patriot Prayer which is apparently a Portland hate group - idk how much of this is true because this is what I woke up to but it is definite that campus was evacuated today and they're telling us to stay off campus for now

"My ancestors were slaves, and your [b]ancestors were not[/b]" no, they were "indentured servants;" the difference being that they were Irish. and my Japanese ancestors were thrown in internment camps, you repulsive vermin.

Apparently there was a bomb threat that shut the school down done in response to this, according to my friends who go there.

[QUOTE=nAXiom090;52302629]"My ancestors were slaves, and your [b]ancestors were not[/b]" no, they were "indentured servants;" the difference being that they were Irish. and my Japanese ancestors were thrown in internment camps, you repulsive vermin.[/QUOTE] yes this is all correct - but was this quote directed at you and your heritage?? i dont understand how this reply is relevant [editline]2nd June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;52298689]Honestly I wish people stopped caring about ancestry TOO much and stopped taking it TOO seriously. It doesn't really hold weight today regardless of the consequences that you might still suffer to try and hold people accountable, for slavery, because ultimately everyone who caused/agreed with(minus a few idiots) slavery to even be a thing to begin with are dead. You aren't currently a slave, not even your parents or grandparents were. You have the right to live free. Sure, it matters, but not in the present. Let it go. You can understand the consequence of it and respect the history, but don't be ignorant and take it personally.[/QUOTE] unfortunately though, until very recently (segregation is within the lifetime of some living people today) effects are still being felt from slavery, so it is not hard to understand frustration when someones grandfather was forced to drink at a shitter water fountain than a white person its hard to not take it personally when people still have living family that endured jim crow

[QUOTE=Tudd;52294528]Sure, alot of things are indirectly responsible to each other socially when looking through history, but I wouldn't blame Boomers for SJWs in any kind of substantial manner that is blamable. I would blame Postmodernism for direct influence.[/QUOTE] lol

Shit, I was thinking about applying to Evergreen this upcoming semester... ...now I'm [i]definitely[/i] applying, this shit is hilarious. What I think gets me the most is that they probably learned how to chant, protest, debate and give misguided public speeches [i]at Evergreen,[/i] and then turned around and used it against the school. What a wacky fucking place, I can't wait to get started. :v:

[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;52303327]Shit, I was thinking about applying to Evergreen this upcoming semester... ...now I'm [i]definitely[/i] applying, this shit is hilarious. What I think gets me the most is that they probably learned how to chant, protest, debate and give misguided public speeches [i]at Evergreen,[/i] and then turned around and used it against the school. What a wacky fucking place, I can't wait to get started. :v:[/QUOTE] Godspeed mate, just use your powers for good like Limp Bizkit advertising.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;52292217]"My ancestors were slaves, and your ancestors were not" [I][B]get over it[/B][/I][/QUOTE] MY DAD CAN BEAT UP YOUR DAD

[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;52303327]Shit, I was thinking about applying to Evergreen this upcoming semester... ...now I'm [i]definitely[/i] applying, this shit is hilarious. What I think gets me the most is that they probably learned how to chant, protest, debate and give misguided public speeches [i]at Evergreen,[/i] and then turned around and used it against the school. What a wacky fucking place, I can't wait to get started. :v:[/QUOTE] for your sake I hope you aren't white :v:

From what I've heard from friends who go to Evergreen, the protests are, in part, sparked by emails sent out by the professor who went to the media that were pretty objectionable. I haven't seen them, but my friend offered to show me when I see her in person. There was also a threat by an anonymous terrorist to "murder as many people as I can" done in response to these protests. This caused the school as a whole to be shut down. I don't think the student body is entirely unreasonable. Heavily left wing and social justice centric? Yes. But I don't believe they're without any sort of merit, even if I don't necessarily agree with them. The media likes to create a narrative of "those wacky SJWs" because there's so many people who dislike those movements, but things are usually more complicated than they appear.

[QUOTE=GamerKiwi;52307199]From what I've heard from friends who go to Evergreen, the protests are, in part, sparked by emails sent out by the professor who went to the media that were pretty objectionable. I haven't seen them, but my friend offered to show me when I see her in person. There was also a threat by an anonymous terrorist to "murder as many people as I can" done in response to these protests. This caused the school as a whole to be shut down. I don't think the student body is entirely unreasonable. Heavily left wing and social justice centric? Yes. But I don't believe they're without any sort of merit, even if I don't necessarily agree with them. The media likes to [B]create a narrative of "those wacky SJWs"[/B] because there's so many people who dislike those movements, but things are usually more complicated than they appear.[/QUOTE] They've done that just fine with their own words.

Hearing the girl trying to read that paper at 3:50 explains it.

[QUOTE=GamerKiwi;52307199]From what I've heard from friends who go to Evergreen, the protests are, in part, sparked by emails sent out by the professor who went to the media that were pretty objectionable. I haven't seen them, but my friend offered to show me when I see her in person. There was also a threat by an anonymous terrorist to "murder as many people as I can" done in response to these protests. This caused the school as a whole to be shut down. I don't think the student body is entirely unreasonable. Heavily left wing and social justice centric? Yes. But I don't believe they're without any sort of merit, even if I don't necessarily agree with them. The media likes to create a narrative of "those wacky SJWs" because there's so many people who dislike those movements, but things are usually more complicated than they appear.[/QUOTE] What is the nuance of shouting "BLACK POWER!", holding the faculty hostage, not letting them even speak, and just generally being massive racist cunts? All you have to do is actually read Bret Weinstein's emails and see these people have literally no merit to their argument. They are basically witch hunting for anyone them deem racist and forcing the school board to deal with the issue on their terms using rash judgement.

[QUOTE=GamerKiwi;52307199]From what I've heard from friends who go to Evergreen, the protests are, in part, sparked by emails sent out by the professor who went to the media that were pretty objectionable. I haven't seen them, but my friend offered to show me when I see her in person.[/QUOTE] I've read them, they're perfectly reasonable. It's so reasonable it's almost like an adult wrote them. There's absolutely nothing that can be even vaguely misconstrued as ill natured. In fact the whole point of the letter was to combat racism, as he objected to white people being all but overtly demanded to leave campus. Your friends are either ideologically possessed, or stupid and submit to the group without checking the evidence, and are willingly being led around by truly resentful and malicious actors. Either way, you need to tell them to stop. [URL]http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/politics-government/article153826039.html[/URL] You can read the full chain here, but here's a screen cap. [T]https://puu.sh/w9tSB/0cae1cb598.png[/T] He even offered to host a debate/diologue around the topic. Does this seem unreasonable to you?

I'm also still curious about how that professor had been "casually racist" in the past, and what the context behind another saying nigger is.

This is absolutely abhorrent behavior.

If a bunch of white dudes kept black faculty members hostage while forcing anyone black to stay out while yelling white power, they'd have swat or the guard on their ass within hours, god damn when did america become so incompetent at the one of the only things they're good at.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52307740]I've read them, they're perfectly reasonable. It's so reasonable it's almost like an adult wrote them. There's absolutely nothing that can be even vaguely misconstrued as ill natured. In fact the whole point of the letter was to combat racism, as [B]he objected to white people being all but overtly demanded to leave campus. [/B] [/quote] Not at all true, total lie. The event is entirely voluntary and no one was being forced off campus, as was the case with previous events. Maybe you shouldn't pretend to know more than the students who organized the event about what the event is about? [Quote]Your friends are either ideologically possessed, or stupid and submit to the group without checking the evidence, and are willingly being led around by truly resentful and malicious actors. [URL]http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/politics-government/article153826039.html[/URL] You can read the full chain here, but here's a screen cap. [T]https://puu.sh/w9tSB/0cae1cb598.png[/T] He even offered to host a debate/diologue around the topic. Does this seem unreasonable to you?[/QUOTE] He referred to a voluntary event as an act of oppression when anyone could choose not to participate, as was the case was in previous years. The only difference was that the day of absence and day of presence events were reversed, with allies encouraged to leave campus to show solidarity. Anyone could choose not to participate, as many have done in the past. He chose to paint people voluntarily leaving as people being forced to leave, when that is not at all the case. From one of the people in that email chain: [Quote] From Rashida Love: This post is intended to provide additional context and facts about this year’s Day of Absence and Day of Presence at Evergreen. One faculty member’s response to the email invitation to the event has been widely published to support a narrative about a “widespread campaign by leftist students against anyone who dares challenge their ideology”. Provided here is the original email to All Evergreen Staff and Faculty inviting them to Day of Absence and Day of Presence. Also included is the response to that faculty’s email. There are two important things to note here: 1. The offer - in the spirit of Evergreen's seminal Five Foci values – to engage across significant difference and engage in collaborative learning 2. The fact that the reply was sent within hours nearly a month prior to the Day of Absence and Day of Presence events. The aspect of these events now garnering attention is their focus on caucus-based dialogue for Day of Absence, an evidence-based practice for anti-racist work. Participants volunteered to participate in one of two day-long programs, one of which includes facilitated workshops and presentations designed to address the needs and concerns of those who self-identify as people of color and another that focuses on how white people experience race. In the decades-long history of this event, it has ALWAYS been and will always be voluntary. Furthermore, this is the first year white people have been invited off-campus, as people of color have been asked to participate off campus each year prior. During the antagonizing party’s multi-year tenure at Evergreen, he has not once expressed complaint for the invitation extended to people of color leaving campus. The idea that any collegiate body could or would force all white people off of a college campus is not only false but statistically absurd. Event organizers secured a space off-campus with a 200- person occupant limit. Evergreen has a white student population of approximately 2800, roughly 70% of the student population, and several hundred white faculty and staff. This year more than 90% of white Evergreen students, staff, and faculty stayed on campus for Day of Absence, and several hundred of them eagerly participated in our Day of Presence programming two days after being invited to attend Day of Absence off-campus. The hope is that this information serves as a productive counter-narrative to the (currently) dominant narrative that Evergreen forced white participants to leave campus. The Audre Lorde- inspired theme for our Day of Absence and Day of Presence programming, "Revolution is not a one-time event," beckons us to continue to speak truth to the work we do and the students we serve. [/Quote]

[QUOTE=GamerKiwi;52308367]He referred to a voluntary event as an act of oppression when anyone could choose not to participate, as was the case was in previous years. The only difference was that the day of absence and day of presence events were reversed, with allies encouraged to leave campus to show solidarity. Anyone could choose not to participate, as many have done in the past. He chose to paint people voluntarily leaving as people being forced to leave, when that is not at all the case.[/QUOTE] Why were they reversed? Asking those outside of the group to leave for a day is not the same thing as those within the group leaving for a day to do their own thing, even if voluntary. White people saying that all black people should leave for a day, but that it's voluntary, wouldn't somehow make it OK.