Video of the Student Takeover at Evergreen State College. - General

[QUOTE=GamerKiwi;52308367]Not at all true, total lie. The event is entirely voluntary and no one was being forced off campus, as was the case with previous events. Maybe you shouldn't pretend to know more than the students who organized the event about what the event is about? He referred to a voluntary event as an act of oppression when anyone could choose not to participate, as was the case was in previous years. The only difference was that the day of absence and day of presence events were reversed, with allies encouraged to leave campus to show solidarity. Anyone could choose not to participate, as many have done in the past. He chose to paint people voluntarily leaving as people being forced to leave, when that is not at all the case.[/QUOTE] so he's so completely wrong that he deserves to have dozens of people scream in his face and call him racist? cause I think his argument makes sense, regardless of whether or not you agree with it

[QUOTE=sgman91;52308376]Why were they reversed? Asking those outside of the group to leave for a day is not the same thing as those within the group leaving for a day to do their own thing, even if voluntary. White people saying that all black people should leave for a day, but that it's voluntary, wouldn't somehow make it OK.[/QUOTE] The people who would've left campus would've had workshops off campus to discuss the event and how white people experience race. It wasn't a case of "white people get out" and more an invitation to participate in an event.

From Wikipedia [QUOTE]Evergreen is one of the least selective universities in the nation with an admittance rate of 98%.[4][/QUOTE] It definitely shows.

[QUOTE=GamerKiwi;52308384]The people who would've left campus would've had workshops off campus to discuss the event and how white people experience race. It wasn't a case of "white people get out" and more an invitation to participate in an event.[/QUOTE] There's still a massive difference between one racial group asking another racial group to leave campus for some workshops and a racial group leaving campus on their own volition. Do you think people would be fine with the white community asking the black community to leave campus for some workshops (and then chanting things like "white power" when some of the black people didn't like it)?

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;52308377]so he's so completely wrong that he deserves to have dozens of people scream in his face and call him racist?[/Quote] This tbh. You can't call something voluntary and then when someone speaks against your idea (fairly well I might add) and then do what others are doing to him. It's only voluntary in the loosest sense then imo.

The worst part of this is that they give actual racists ammo against blacks that is very hard to defend against these fucking idiots are legitimizing real racists by witch-hunting people who are as far from a racist as you can get as if they personally served in a KKKNazi elitist 1% group.

[QUOTE=GamerKiwi;52308384]The people who would've left campus would've had workshops off campus to discuss the event and how white people experience race. It wasn't a case of "white people get out" and more an invitation to participate in an event.[/QUOTE] I dare anyone to even try sending a letter to as many people as possible asking black people to leave school for a day and see how they interpret it. It's racist, plain and simple. [editline]3rd June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Firewarrior;52308434]From Wikipedia It definitely shows.[/QUOTE] It begs the question what do you have to do to not be accepted??!

[QUOTE=GamerKiwi;52308367]Not at all true, total lie. The event is entirely voluntary and no one was being forced off campus, as was the case with previous events. Maybe you shouldn't pretend to know more than the students who organized the event about what the event is about? He referred to a voluntary event as an act of oppression when anyone could choose not to participate, as was the case was in previous years. The only difference was that the day of absence and day of presence events were reversed, with allies encouraged to leave campus to show solidarity. Anyone could choose not to participate, as many have done in the past. He chose to paint people voluntarily leaving as people being forced to leave, when that is not at all the case. From one of the people in that email chain:[/QUOTE] It's voluntary in the sense that it's an offer he can't refuse. He claimed that there were "anarchists" threatening violence to people during meetings and in the halls if they didn't leave campus 'voluntarily. And supposing that isn't true, the principal behind it is still absolutely unacceptable, malicious horseshit. Even if what you're saying is true, objecting to it on morale/philosophical/principal grounds is still the correct thing to do. And even then, supposing all that is true. Supposing it was all sunshine and rainbows and he was completely wrong, how does that justify a mob of violent students going gustappo on incoming cars searching for him, threatening his wife (in a serious way, not your typical SJW interpertation of 'threat'), screaming and yelling and shoving a professor around and [I]taking the president hostage[/I]? What the fuck man?

[QUOTE=GamerKiwi;52308367]Not at all true, total lie. The event is entirely voluntary and no one was being forced off campus, as was the case with previous events. Maybe you shouldn't pretend to know more than the students who organized the event about what the event is about?[/QUOTE] He said 'all but', meaning not exactly but in essence. That's exactly what Bret Weinstein said it was; that there was a strong implication that if you did not comply, you were not an ally. Not to mention him being hunted down for not complying, I think it's pretty safe to say he was demanded to leave. [QUOTE=GamerKiwi;52308367]He referred to a voluntary event as an act of oppression when anyone could choose not to participate, as was the case was in previous years. The only difference was that the day of absence and day of presence events were reversed, [B]with allies encouraged to leave campus to show solidarity.[/B] Anyone could choose not to participate, as many have done in the past. He chose to paint people voluntarily leaving as people being forced to leave, when that is not at all the case.[/QUOTE] But according to Weinstein there was at least one case of someone being told 'this event isn't for you'. Even though it wasn't obligatory for the person to leave, that is still a very clear message that they're not welcome. And there was a literal horde shouting for his resignation in response, there is no way it wasn't an act of oppression. Bolded part of your post shows the hostile attitude. Yes, it's hidden behind negatives and opposites, but [I]"you're my ally if you go away"[/I] is implicitly the same as [I]"you're not my ally if you stay"[/I]. You can say that implication didn't exist, but then there's no explanation for the insane reactions that we've all witnessed on video. [QUOTE=GamerKiwi;52308384]The people who would've left campus would've had workshops off campus to discuss the event and how white people experience race. It wasn't a case of "white people get out" and more an invitation to participate in an event.[/QUOTE] That there were events set up doesn't change the fact that an ethnic group was asked to leave. It is racist and oppressive through and through, unless the ethnic group in question came up with the idea themselves.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;52292217]"My ancestors were slaves, and your ancestors were not" [I][B]get over it[/B][/I][/QUOTE] Can i just say this whole concept of making people feel guilty of saying "My Ancestors were slaves, your's were not." Is sorta stupid. Because for the entirety of human fucking history. I bet every fucking human on this planet had some ancestor that was a slave or was an indentured servant of some empire, nation, or kingdom.

[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;52309704] It is racist and oppressive through and through, unless the ethnic group in question came up with the idea themselves.[/QUOTE] Well, i'd disagree that even that would be reasonable, because it implies that that racial group is functionally a collective. If it was put forward reasonably as an act of expression, and they all agreed based on what that would be expressing without the assumed class traitor ally bullshit, sure. But it's still presented as 'anybody who does not go along with this is a traitor to X group', which is marxist power dynamics madness, and therefore inexcusable and dangerous. Also "X racial/etc group should leave X place and go to X workshop to learn about race" is basically political reducation without the force of a state behind it. If it's entirely voluntary i can't object to that happening, but i find the intent behind that to be even more alarming. [QUOTE=Uber22;52309727]Can i just say this whole concept of making people feel guilty of saying "My Ancestors were slaves, your's were not." Is sorta stupid. Because for the entirety of human fucking history. I bet every fucking human on this planet had some ancestor that was a slave or was an indentured servant of some empire, nation, or kingdom.[/QUOTE] Anyone of slavic descent has anscestors who were taken as slaves by the arabs. ...brb, gonna go claim my billions from Saudi Arabia.

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[QUOTE=srobins;52294333]Because they're losers and can't handle the concept of personal responsibility so they blame their lack of skills and motivation on injustices done to dead people a hundred and fifty years ago.[/QUOTE] A lot on the white nationalism side are like this. Fanatics are usually broken folks. [editline]4th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;52308605]The worst part of this is that they give actual racists ammo against blacks that is very hard to defend against these fucking idiots are legitimizing real racists by witch-hunting people who are as far from a racist as you can get as if they personally served in a KKKNazi elitist 1% group.[/QUOTE] This shit why white nationalism is on the rise. Wanna make the KKK relevant again? Allow this shit keep going.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52310572] This shit why white nationalism is on the rise. Wanna make the KKK relevant again? Allow this shit keep going.[/QUOTE] its scary to think that ignorant people are their own downfall because of this really they may as well be playing with matches and napalm

[QUOTE=Uber22;52309727]Can i just say this whole concept of making people feel guilty of saying "My Ancestors were slaves, your's were not." Is sorta stupid. Because for the entirety of human fucking history. I bet every fucking human on this planet had some ancestor that was a slave or was an indentured servant of some empire, nation, or kingdom.[/QUOTE] Any ideas which uses guilt or shame at its core is an evil idea. [editline]4th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;52310639]its scary to think that ignorant people are their own downfall because of this really they may as well be playing with matches and napalm[/QUOTE] Who are you referring to specifically when you say ignorant? Who is working to their downfall?

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52310640] Who are you referring to specifically when you say ignorant? Who is working to their downfall?[/QUOTE] SJW that take over college's of course or those braindead idiots that accusing restaurants of cultural appropriation they're just totally ignorant of actual racism, they create a reason for racists like the KKK to be relevent... and then actual, not imaginary racism happens not that racism has a sane reason to exist to begin with of/c

[QUOTE=J!NX;52310657]SJW that take over college's of course or those braindead idiots that accusing restaurants of cultural appropriation they're just totally ignorant of actual racism, they create a reason for racists like the KKK to be relevent... and then actual, not imaginary racism happens not that racism has a sane reason to exist to begin with of/c[/QUOTE] I have bad news. The hysterics on the left and the re emergence of the white right is intentional. Social justice uses a cultic device I call "double think formula". What it does is finds a problem, then prescribes a "solution" which achieves the exact opposite effect it claims it would create . Let say your house is on fire. The " solution" is pour gasoline on the fire. This is by design. What this does is makes the adherent double down on prescribed action. Its the same behavior as seen in fraud victims or anti vaxxers. Folks dont wanna admit they fail, were had or were stupid. So what they do is repeat the sure to fail solution with greater intensity. They double down. What this does is create emotional insecurity in the adherent. Which makes them keep going with the doubling down. It generates hysteria and purity spirals. Every prescribed "solution" on the left to solve racism is designed intentionally to make it worse. It uses another cultic device I call "tag you re it". Its a form of trolling. Let say I keep hitting you in the face. I do it under the belief that subconsciously you re a violent person. Soon you fight back. Ta da! "Proof" you re a violent person. Now I am the victim and gained legitimacy to hurt you even more. All these cultic devices can be found in many ideals. Including Nazism. Its the same structure, just a different expression of the same abusive crap designed to give abusive folks moral license to behave and treat others in a horrid manner. I assure you any ideal using these devices all generate the same end result. Same structure, same target of folks for conversion, just different expressions. The end result is endless violence and endless oppression.

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;52310730]They scream and wave fingers/hands in the teachers' faces, but then they tell the teachers to keep their hands down and be quiet right after they ask them to answer to their questions Is this even real Can humans be this stupid without forgetting how to breathe[/QUOTE] Might wanna read up on how Mao whipped students into similar hysterics during his cultural revolution. Its the same crap. And yes they can. Its why we have a state...... .

Along with the bullshit excuse of the "Slavery" thing. I understand that they're certain parts of the US where racism clearly effects people's lives and do hinder some people's full potential in their life. But, the Irony is that these students completely make the people who do deal with actual racism in their life to look bad. Because these students try to use it as an excuse for pretty much everything that doesn't go there way, it makes the people who deal with real racism look "Whiny". The same shit happened during the Wall Street protests back a few years ago. Since the conservative media mostly focused on the "Loud" minority of the protestors. Most conservatives got the idea that all protestors were "Whiny College Students that Didn't get their dream job". Basically they're shooting themselves in the foot. And another example is how people try to compare everything that's slightly bad to the Nazis or Hitler.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52310572]This shit why white nationalism is on the rise. Wanna make the KKK relevant again? Allow this shit keep going.[/QUOTE] This goes both ways. The reason SJWs and Feminism is on the rise in the US is because of Trump and the GOP. Also because of the rise of the alt right.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52311712]This goes both ways. The reason SJWs and Feminism is on the rise in the US is because of Trump and the GOP.[/QUOTE] I imagine both extreme sides as gigantic Leviathans. Slowly growing in size and devouring everyone else to grow larger. Eventually they'll run out of people and will start to attack and devour each other. I don't think it would get to that point, but it is worrisome.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52311712]This goes both ways. The reason SJWs and Feminism is on the rise in the US is because of Trump and the GOP. Also because of the rise of the alt right.[/QUOTE] The opposite would be more proper since that's what the real chronology of this is. Alt right (Whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean anymore) and conservatives are on the rise because establisments like Universities and colleges were already growing further left to the point of absurdity.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52311712]This goes both ways. The reason SJWs and Feminism is on the rise in the US is because of Trump and the GOP. Also because of the rise of the alt right.[/QUOTE] Incorrect. Its on the rise because they mistook Obama getting elected as a sign to go full retard. That wasn't why some folks voted for him at all. Obama becoming potus was not validation of the lefts ideals. It was a validation of Obamas pitch. What he preached was be against wall street, end the bill of right violations Bushies Jr committed, and end senseless war. [editline]4th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Uber22;52311668]Along with the bullshit excuse of the "Slavery" thing. I understand that they're certain parts of the US where racism clearly effects people's lives and do hinder some people's full potential in their life. But, the Irony is that these students completely make the people who do deal with actual racism in their life to look bad. Because these students try to use it as an excuse for pretty much everything that doesn't go there way, it makes the people who deal with real racism look "Whiny". The same shit happened during the Wall Street protests back a few years ago. Since the conservative media mostly focused on the "Loud" minority of the protestors. Most conservatives got the idea that all protestors were "Whiny College Students that Didn't get their dream job". Basically they're shooting themselves in the foot. And another example is how people try to compare everything that's slightly bad to the Nazis or Hitler.[/QUOTE] No I remember that. Fox spinned it as whiny kids against capitalism. It wasn't against capitalism but crony capitalism and corruption. The media on both sides twists things in favor of wall street and dogmatic heels on both sides gobble it up.

[QUOTE=Thlis;52311745]The opposite would be more proper since that's what the real chronology of this is. Alt right (Whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean anymore) and conservatives are on the rise because establisments like Universities and colleges were already growing further left to the point of absurdity.[/QUOTE] And the same can't be same for the right wing in the US? Also the US doesn't even have a proper left wing party by the standards of the rest of the western world. The "left" in your country has no real voice in politics while the far right control your entire fucking government. I mean, words like feminism, social justice, socialism and universal health care are considered dirty words over there lol and you wonder why some of them are driven to extremism. Your president is currently fighting tooth and nail to fuck with abortions, ban Muslims from entering the country and wages war on environmental regulations. Let's not forget he boasted about sexually assaulting women and people just shrugged it off as locker room talk. As long as this scumbag is in power these people will continue to grow in rapid numbers. The hardcore "leftist" people in that video are mocked by everyone, condemned by both sides and hold no power anywhere in your country. They are nobodies. The same can't be said about the opposite side, can it? These people have no leaders to turn to to lead them in a better way, apart from a few people like Bernie.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52300875]I do. SJW types by nature subscribe to it. Or at least it's assertions of social power dynamics and the arbitrary nature of truth. Why do you think they can be so utterly racist while claiming virtue in being anti-racism? Post modernism.[/QUOTE] Did you read that on Brietbart or something or do you have little understanding of what postmodernism is as an artistic and conceptual movement?

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52311910]And the same can't be same for the right wing in the US? Also the US doesn't even have a proper left wing party by the standards of the rest of the western world. The "left" in your country has no real voice in politics while the far right control your entire fucking government. I mean, words like feminism, social justice, socialism and universal health care are considered dirty words over there lol and you wonder why some of them are driven to extremism. Your president is currently fighting tooth and nail to fuck with abortions, ban Muslims from entering the country and wages war on environmental regulations. Let's not forget he boasted about sexually assaulting women and people just shrugged it off as locker room talk. As long as this scumbag is in power these people will continue to grow in rapid numbers. The hardcore "leftist" people in that video are mocked by everyone, condemned by both sides and hold no power anywhere in your country. They are nobodies. The same can't be said about the opposite side, can it? These people have no leaders to turn to to lead them in a better way, apart from a few people like Bernie.[/QUOTE] You keep saying "your country", I think you should double check that. We haven't been annexed yet. Pretty much the entirety of your argument was just opinion. As far as I can see in industry or education words like Feminism and Progressive aren't in any way considered dirty. What you are seeing right now is that public opinion is boiling over.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52308838]I dare anyone to even try sending a letter to as many people as possible asking black people to leave school for a day and see how they interpret it. It's racist, plain and simple.[/QUOTE] That's what the day of absence event was every year previous. [editline]4th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;52309704]He said 'all but', meaning not exactly but in essence. That's exactly what Bret Weinstein said it was; that there was a strong implication that if you did not comply, you were not an ally. Not to mention him being hunted down for not complying, I think it's pretty safe to say he was demanded to leave. But according to Weinstein there was at least one case of someone being told 'this event isn't for you'. Even though it wasn't obligatory for the person to leave, that is still a very clear message that they're not welcome. And there was a literal horde shouting for his resignation in response, there is no way it wasn't an act of oppression. Bolded part of your post shows the hostile attitude. Yes, it's hidden behind negatives and opposites, but [I]"you're my ally if you go away"[/I] is implicitly the same as [I]"you're not my ally if you stay"[/I]. You can say that implication didn't exist, but then there's no explanation for the insane reactions that we've all witnessed on video. [/QUOTE] That reaction didn't exist. Hes painting a false narrative. The email chains posted on the news sites, for instance don't even show half of the conversation. The event wasn't for him because he wanted to host a workshop to give an "evolutionary" look at race, as opposed to the historical and sociological look at race, which heavily implies a darwinist look at race, so it's understandable why there would be a negative reaction.

[QUOTE=Crimor;52308221]If a bunch of white dudes kept black faculty members hostage while forcing anyone black to stay out while yelling white power, they'd have swat or the guard on their ass within hours, god damn when did america become so incompetent at the one of the only things they're good at.[/QUOTE] It's funny you say that because apparently it's normally the other way around from wikipedia [QUOTE]The Day of Absence is an annual event, inspired by the Douglas Turner Ward play, held in April at Evergreen during which minority students and faculty members stay off campus to raise awareness of the contributions of minorities and to discuss racial and campus issues. This is followed by the Day of Presence, when the campus community reunites.[6] In 2017 the process was reversed, with white students encouraged to attend off campus activities, while the events for minority students were held on the Evergreen campus.[6][7] Bret Weinstein, a biology professor, wrote a letter objecting to the change in format.[8] In May 2017, student protests – focused in part on the comments by Weinstein – disrupted the campus and called for a number of changes to the college.[7][9][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tudd;52293874]And at this point it is you who is trying to set a narrative/contort reality.[/QUOTE] I know I'm late to this, but fucking lol.

[QUOTE=Thlis;52311955]You keep saying "your country", I think you should double check that. We haven't been annexed yet. [/QUOTE] What the fuck. I thought your flag dog was American at one point? Apologies then. Anyway, I wasn't talking industry or eduation anyway. I'm talking politics and socially. the word Feminist is certainly becoming dirty if it's not already there. I mean look at youtube or social media, Feminism is quickly becoming synonymous with "women who shit on men" despite the fact Feminism is vast as hell and covers anyone from conservative women against trans, to women who believe men shouldn't be ashamed of feminine things like showing your emotions or supporting men who have been raped. Of course it won't be dirty in schools or industry, that doesn't mean it's not shitty that it's becoming dirty elsewhere. Also socialist is 100% dirty in the US. Bernie was mocked for it for his entire run by both sides and many progressive ideals in the US right now are "socialist". To be honest he should have just labelled himself as a social democrat.