Video of the Student Takeover at Evergreen State College. - General

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/opinion/sunday/bruni-campus-inquisitions-evergreen-state.html"]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/opinion/sunday/bruni-campus-inquisitions-evergreen-state.html[/URL] You know it's gotten bad when New york Times just weighed in opinion pages. Here' my problem Social Justice Has really been hijacked for people who has decided to fuck off "get as close as we can equality" and let them be bigoted to White Straight men and special privilege for their class, And it is starting to scare a lot of people.

[QUOTE=Crimor;52308221]If a bunch of white dudes kept black faculty members hostage while forcing anyone black to stay out while yelling white power, they'd have swat or the guard on their ass within hours, god damn when did america become so incompetent at the one of the only things they're good at.[/QUOTE] Im absolutely against Racism and Bigotry, but the retardation of people burying their heads into the dirt like a bunch of ostriches, ignoring the fact that this shit happens and this vocal minority growing out of control is goddamn infuriating. This isn't people shitting on the left or saying the left is terrible. This is the left trying to stop the crazy far-left from cannibalizing everyone else that belongs to the left. It tarnishes it's image, and it causes chaos. But if people continue to ignore this vocal minority and go "La la la, just a vocal minority! la, la, la," and jam their fingers into their ears. Before we know it, its going to take the left over. Why i'm so adamant about this. Look what happened to the US political Right, the Alt-right was just a "Vocal Minority. But grew out of control and now it along with the Far Right have begun to cannibalize the Right. I dont want that to happen to the left. I want the left to be the bastion of sane thought in this world of chaotic insanity.

[QUOTE=GamerKiwi;52311956]That reaction didn't exist. Hes painting a false narrative. The email chains posted on the news sites, for instance don't even show half of the conversation. The event wasn't for him because he wanted to host a workshop to give an "evolutionary" look at race, as opposed to the historical and sociological look at race, which heavily implies a darwinist look at race, so it's understandable why there would be a negative reaction.[/QUOTE] We have video evidence. He didn't [I]want to[/I] host an evolutionary talk about race, he offered that as an alternative to leaving campus. And how insecure do you have to be about race to shy away from talking about it through science? Are you expecting a professional biologist to start handing out scientific, racist statements? You should go to a lecture like that, you'd find that there's no support for any racist viewpoints in science. [I](Disclaimer: I don't know what you mean by 'darwinist look at race', but it sounds like you think it's bad)[/I] And yes, maybe that was a bad idea, but again, we have video evidence of a horde ganging up on him and shouting for his resignation. That is absurdly out of proportion. Unless, of course, you can actually back up the claim that he is racist?

[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;52312457]Unless, of course, you can actually back up the claim that he is racist?[/QUOTE] I've asked twice now for this evidence, and have not received it so I'm highly dubious on the claim. Same thing with the "my professor said nigger" thing, I'm sure there was a reason for that professor saying it - most likely quoting a historic work or piece of literature. I'd love to be proven wrong but I feel like it has been blown out of proportion.

[QUOTE=Uber22;52312355]Im absolutely against Racism and Bigotry, but the retardation of people burying their heads into the dirt like a bunch of ostriches, ignoring the fact that this shit happens and this vocal minority growing out of control is goddamn infuriating. This isn't people shitting on the left or saying the left is terrible. This is the left trying to stop the crazy far-left from cannibalizing everyone else that belongs to the left. It tarnishes it's image, and it causes chaos. But if people continue to ignore this vocal minority and go "La la la, just a vocal minority! la, la, la," and jam their fingers into their ears. Before we know it, its going to take the left over. Why i'm so adamant about this. Look what happened to the US political Right, the Alt-right was just a "Vocal Minority. But grew out of control and now it along with the Far Right have begun to cannibalize the Right. I dont want that to happen to the left. I want the left to be the bastion of sane thought in this world of chaotic insanity.[/QUOTE] There's been research that The Far Left is almost as if not worse Dogmatic than the right when it comes to Their supposed "truths".

[QUOTE=bdd458;52312474]I've asked twice now for this evidence, and have not received it so I'm highly dubious on the claim. Same thing with the "my professor said nigger" thing, I'm sure there was a reason for that professor saying it - most likely quoting a historic work or piece of literature. I'd love to be proven wrong but I feel like it has been blown out of proportion.[/QUOTE] aka.... FUCKING.....CONTEXT

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52311989]It's funny you say that because apparently it's normally the other way around from wikipedia[/QUOTE] White people don't tell or ask black people to leave the campus. The black people leave on their own to make a point. This is entirely different from black people asking white people to leave the campus.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52311989][QUOTE=Crimor;52308221]If a [B]bunch of white dudes kept black faculty members hostage while forcing anyone black to stay out while yelling white power[/B], they'd have swat or the guard on their ass within hours, god damn when did america become so incompetent at the one of the only things they're good at.[/QUOTE] It's funny you say that because apparently it's normally the other way around from wikipedia [quote]The Day of Absence is an annual event, inspired by the Douglas Turner Ward play, held in April at Evergreen during which [B]minority students and faculty members stay off campus to raise awareness of the contributions of minorities[/B] and to discuss racial and campus issues. This is followed by the Day of Presence, when the campus community reunites.[6] In 2017 the process was reversed, with white students encouraged to attend off campus activities, while the events for minority students were held on the Evergreen campus.[6][7] Bret Weinstein, a biology professor, wrote a letter objecting to the change in format.[8] In May 2017, student protests – focused in part on the comments by Weinstein – disrupted the campus and called for a number of changes to the college.[7][9][/quote][/QUOTE] 1. You missed the part about white people holding black members hostage and yelling white power. 2. Black people weren't demanded by white people to leave. They did that on their own (to raise awareness). [B]That's the difference here.[/B]

I don't understand what it is that makes people like Lambeth and GamerKiwi bend over backwards to explain and defend things that are so blatantly racist and absurd. You guys can still be progressive/liberal without trying to defend every stupid thing that comes from left wing politics, you understand that right? You don't have any obligation to defend stupid, shitty ideas like this, so why do you guys try so fucking hard?

Looks like the Faculty capitulated and went full appeasement mode: [url]https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zwPLnekTcjlmwO_0IyS7qF33sa40ufi2zAMEP-MU3IE/edit#[/url] [quote]As Evergreen faculty members: We acknowledge that all of us who have power within the institution share responsibility for the racist actions of others. [b]Furthermore, those of us who are white bear a particularly large share of that responsibility.[/b] We acknowledge that we have a great deal of work to do in order to honor and live up to the demands made by student leaders during last week’s protests. ([url]http://cooperpointjournal.com/2017/05/27/complete-list-of-student-demands[/url]). We acknowledge that students of color and others who are underrepresented and underserved have been voicing their demands to us for some time (through the Students of Color Focus Groups of 2014, through their participation in authoring the Strategic Equity Plan from November, in Cooper Point Journal coverage, for example) and we have not yet truly listened and acted. We acknowledge students’ right to protest, and affirm President Bridges’ recent decision not to use the misguided language of the current Student Conduct Code to punish the protestors. We vehemently reject the claim that students have been violent simply because they have been loud and emphatic. There is a difference between exercising the right to freely voice an opinion and inciting violence—and that difference has nothing to do with volume or forcefulness. We support the demands made by students and honor the positive institutional change they have already achieved through their protests. Our most urgent demands (below) center on the safety of those individuals who are currently most at risk. At the same time, we acknowledge that in the weeks and months to come our attention will need to turn to the larger structural issues students have identified. In solidarity with students, we commit ourselves to: * Participating actively and self-critically in the annual mandatory trainings specified in the Memorandum of Understanding recently signed by the UFE and management bargaining teams. * Holding each other accountable when we act in racist ways against our colleagues or our students, according to shared language and understanding developed in the trainings. * Holding President Bridges accountable to the promises he made at the all-campus forum on May 26, 2017, and to the process of ongoing dialogue with student leaders. * Actively supporting the Strategic Plan put forward by the Equity and Inclusion Council, including providing substantive support to the Vice President & Vice Provost of Equity and Inclusion tasked with implementing and extending their work. In solidarity with students, we call for the Evergreen administration to: * Center student perspectives in a persistent media approach to counter the alt-right narratives that are demonizing Evergreen and Day of Absence specifically. * Take seriously the threats made to individual community members and use all available institutional resources to protect them. * Demonstrate accountability by pursuing a disciplinary investigation against Bret Weinstein according to guidelines in the Social Contract and Faculty Handbook. Weinstein has endangered faculty, staff, and students, making them targets of white supremacist backlash by promulgating misinformation in public emails, on national television, in news outlets, and on social media. We are angry and frustrated and concerned. We also believe, however, that if the College can muster a meaningful collective response to recent events, this can be a powerful lever for growth in student numbers, success, and equity–and for future institutional change. We urge the administration not to lead with fear, or a desire to suppress students’ voices. We urge them to let the energy and clarity of those voices carry us forward. [/quote] The collective white guilt just seethes from the letter. If I were them, I would have started expulsions and suspensions and told them to fuck off with their racist asses to another college. Now the protesters know all they have to do is hold the president hostage and scream their demands non-sensically till they get what they want.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52313497]Looks like the Faculty capitulated and went full appeasement mode: [url]https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zwPLnekTcjlmwO_0IyS7qF33sa40ufi2zAMEP-MU3IE/edit#[/url][/QUOTE] Right out of the gate blaming white people in general for racism lol. You're not responsible for anyone but yourself. Everything in this statement is really sad and pathetic, but this is a new low: [quote]* Demonstrate accountability by pursuing a disciplinary investigation against Bret Weinstein according to guidelines in the Social Contract and Faculty Handbook. [B]Weinstein has endangered faculty, staff, and students, making them targets of white supremacist backlash[/B] by promulgating misinformation in public emails, on national television, in news outlets, and on social media.[/quote] So by giving his factual account of what has occurred at the university, [I]he[/I] is the one responsible for the backlash the college has faced in the wake of their little "fuck whitey" day? Okay.

Update according to some scientists this is actually becoming a crisis, not because free speech (it is sorta like that), because this is showing Acadamia not allowing for debate and objectivity, something that is ABSOLUTLY required by science.

[quote]Demonstrate accountability by pursuing a disciplinary investigation against Bret Weinstein according to guidelines in the Social Contract and Faculty Handbook. Weinstein has endangered faculty, staff, and students, making them targets of white supremacist backlash by promulgating misinformation in public emails, on national television, in news outlets, and on social media.[/quote] The fact they are actually punishing the professor is unbelievable. He should get a lawyer as soon as possible.

[media]https://youtu.be/H9f4Td7h9ek[/media] Some more clips and moments that will make you scratch your head how the President of that college got his position. Also there is a bill being pushed to defund [b]$24 million[/b] dollars from Evergreen now. [quote]Lawmakers led by Republican representative Matt Manweller have introduced a bill to revoke $24 million in annual funding from the school immediately. “These students and their administration are trying to undo the Civil Rights Movement,” Manweller told Campus Reform. “They are trying to re-institute a Jim Crow approach to education that Americans rejected over 50 years ago.” If passed, the bill — which will be accompanied by a formal request to the state Human Rights Commission to investigate Evergreen’s civil-rights infractions — would send a strong message to the increasingly violent anti-free-speech protesters who have recently shut down speaking events at public universities such as UC Berkeley and Cal State LA. Read more at: [url]http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448232/defund-evergreen-state-college-student-mob-punishment[/url][/quote] [url]http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448232/defund-evergreen-state-college-student-mob-punishment[/url]

It is so exhausting having to explain this situation over and over and yet you all still think it was really a "fuck white people day" lmao I'm going to copy and paste this post another student wrote: [QUOTE]This is a small list of false claims made by several sources: 1. The protests were about Bret a. 1 ten minute protest was about Bret. The others were about the administration continually dismissing acts of racism on campus aimed at students, faculty, and staff. 2. Bret was blocked in his classroom for five hours a. Again, this protest was only about ten minutes 3. Professors and administration were run off campus by students a. Nobody was run off campus. Students protested, loudly, but they did not force anybody off campus. I was at the protest. Students went to a faculty meeting and asked faculty to participate in the protest, faculty willingly left their meeting and joined the protest. 4. Day of Absence required all white people to leave campus a. Day of Absence has been around for 30+ plus years where there are workshops both on campus and off campus related to diversity training and racism. Traditionally, workshops for students, faculty, and staff that identify as people of color have been held on campus and diversity trainings and workshops for white faculty, students, and staff have been held on campus. This year the training and workshop locations were switched. Nobody is required to participate in this event. In reality, there were only about 200 spaces available for white students, faculty, and staff to participate in off-campus training at a school that has somewhere over 3,000-4,000 white students alone. Nobody has ever been required to be on or off campus during this day. Bret was never asked to leave campus. He was only sent a mass email which invites students, faculty, and staff to participate so that they can reserve their spot. All students, faculty, and staff were also invited to a movie on campus this day. I was on campus this day, it could not have been more ordinary. A side note: The emails stated explicitly that students, faculty, and staff should participate in whichever workshops they feel comfortable in.[/QUOTE] It's not fuck whitey day. Also, keep in mind that the students that ran this protest are basically fresh out of high school. Yes, perhaps it should have been handled differently, but the professor in question is a grown adult and should have gone through the appropriate steps to fix the problem instead of running to the media and causing a shitstorm that is not only threatening the lives of our students but also the future of our school (now that this rep saw all the media bullshit and now wants to pull funding). I can't believe the response to this I've seen online. It isn't just frustrating but it's actually incredibly depressing. I've never been directly exposed to the power media has in defamation, but here we are!! Usually you're all so good about exposing media bias but in this case nobody gives a fuck. There will be no classes tomorrow because we got another threat over the weekend. People on campus have been assaulted but the police aren't doing anything about it. People are walking around in groups because everyone is scared. I had to go pick up my sister a little while ago because my father is too afraid to let her stay on campus for now. The professor in question is partially at fault for this, yes. He stated some facts but left out incredibly important details, which I seriously doubt was on accident. I know the internet loves to hate "sjws" but our entire school should not be punished for stupid shit said by such an extremely small portion of our student body. If you disagree please let me know why so I can understand your perspective and hopefully change your mind. Please don't just read a news article and take it as absolute truth. Please use critical thought. [editline]5th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Tudd;52313860] Some more clips and moments that will make you scratch your head how the President of that college got his position. Also there is a bill being pushed to defund [B]$24 million[/B] dollars from Evergreen now. [URL]http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448232/defund-evergreen-state-college-student-mob-punishment[/URL][/QUOTE] "11. Meanwhile, the SJWs are barely literate and struggle with basic reading." holy shit lmao no bias here

[QUOTE=Carbon123;52313938]It is so exhausting having to explain this situation over and over and yet you all still think it was really a "fuck white people day" lmao I'm going to copy and paste this post another student wrote: It's not fuck whitey day. Also, keep in mind that the students that ran this protest are basically fresh out of high school. Yes, perhaps it should have been handled differently, but the professor in question is a grown adult and should have gone through the appropriate steps to fix the problem instead of running to the media and causing a shitstorm that is not only threatening the lives of our students but also the future of our school (now that this rep saw all the media bullshit and now wants to pull funding). I can't believe the response to this I've seen online. It isn't just frustrating but it's actually incredibly depressing. I've never been directly exposed to the power media has in defamation, but here we are!! Usually you're all so good about exposing media bias but in this case nobody gives a fuck. There will be no classes tomorrow because we got another threat over the weekend. People on campus have been assaulted but the police aren't doing anything about it. People are walking around in groups because everyone is scared. I had to go pick up my sister a little while ago because my father is too afraid to let her stay on campus for now. The professor in question is partially at fault for this, yes. He stated some facts but left out incredibly important details, which I seriously doubt was on accident. I know the internet loves to hate "sjws" but our entire school should not be punished for stupid shit said by such an extremely small portion of our student body. If you disagree please let me know why so I can tell you differently. Please don't just read a news article and take it as absolute truth. Please use critical thought. [editline]5th June 2017[/editline] "11. Meanwhile, the SJWs are barely literate and struggle with basic reading." holy shit lmao no bias here[/QUOTE] To the majority of your points; this only paints a one-sided opinion of the events. First of all Bret Weinstein did nothing out of the line of professionalism on how he this event. If a formal letter addressing a concern he had is what created this chaos, then it is the fault of the students who freaked out and blocked him (actually admitted to it on video) to only shout down and berate him. Even to the point that the police had to call Bret up and let him know not to go to school because people were checking cars to see if he was coming into campus. Him factually retelling the events in interviews is not "endangeredment" to Evergreen. Those threats are the fault of crazy people who saw an opprytunity to cause mischief after protesters caused national attention over berating one professor and essentially forcing their School President to rashfully make decisions. Second: The faculty in the video are obviously being a shouted down and coerced into making rash decisions by an angry mob. The videos do not show a dismissive faculty unwilling to change anything, it is the exact opposite in fact! and even then the protesters are just screaming non-scensical and racist rhetoric at them. Third: please read people's comments why there is difference between people volunteering themselves to leave campus, and then collectively asking a race of people to leave. It might as well be "fuck whitey" day with its suggestion of collective guilt; Not to mention that plenty of protesters made this sentiment more explicit with their statements towards white people in the videos. If this was asked of any other race we wouldn't be even debating if this is racist or not because it plainly is unless you believe you can't be racist towards white people. Sorry your campus feels unsafe, but Bret Weinstein isn't to blame at all for this. You should be thanking the insane protesters for their behavior that drew national attention to the campus. Too bad with that attention the protesters decided to record themselves and showed to others that they are people with incredibly awful opinions, values, and actions that are not befitting of any college institute. And yep that video is obviously biased, but the footage is still real and I am sure there is some appreciation for highlight footage that isn't lost in hours of content.

[QUOTE=Carbon123;52313938]It is so exhausting having to explain this situation over and over and yet you all still think it was really a "fuck white people day" lmao[/QUOTE] We know it wasn't, stop misrepresenting what people here are saying. Please, demonstrate anything Bret Weinstein has done that justifies the reaction we have seen on video. If you cannot show the basic premise to be true, then quit whining about how the media is causing this.

This entire thread is such a shitshow on both sides

[QUOTE=Carbon123;52313938]It is so exhausting having to explain this situation over and over and yet you all still think it was really a "fuck white people day" lmao [/quote] You haven't really explained anything. For example, how has Bret Weinstein been "casually racist" in this past? Why did your professor say nigger? What's the context behind any of this? What you've done is give fairly general statements but not actually backed any of them up substantially with their context or specific examples. [QUOTE=Carbon123;52313938]It's not fuck whitey day. [/quote] Coercing white people into leaving campus isn't targeting their race why exactly? [QUOTE=Carbon123;52313938]Also, keep in mind that the students that ran this protest are basically fresh out of high school.[/quote] That doesn't excuse ANYTHING. Fresh out of high school I wasn't acting like this, in fact no one I know was acting like this. Even the socially conscious of us didn't act like asshats during or out of high school. So that's not an excuse, and if they're so inexperienced running any sort of protest - maybe they should have left it to others then. [QUOTE=Carbon123;52313938]Yes, perhaps it should have been handled differently, but the professor in question is a grown adult and should have gone through the appropriate steps to fix the problem instead of running to the media and causing a shitstorm that is not only threatening the lives of our students but also the future of our school (now that this rep saw all the media bullshit and now wants to pull funding). [/quote] You mean that extremely professional response in his e-mail? Perhaps he felt administration wouldn't do anything about the issues (seems like they haven't) so he went to the one other place he really could - the media. How exactly are the lives of students being threatened? And good, I'd want to pull funding too if I saw what my money was funding (coercion of administration and staff). [QUOTE=Carbon123;52313938]There will be no classes tomorrow because we got another threat over the weekend.[/quote] What exactly was this threat? Who was threatened? [QUOTE=Carbon123;52313938]People on campus have been assaulted but the police aren't doing anything about it. People are walking around in groups because everyone is scared. I had to go pick up my sister a little while ago because my father is too afraid to let her stay on campus for now.[/quote] Have any links to back this up, or is this another "He was racist before and also a teacher said nigger but im not providing context" situation? [QUOTE=Carbon123;52313938]The professor in question is partially at fault for this, yes. He stated some facts but left out incredibly important details, which I seriously doubt was on accident.[/QUOTE] Which details? Would he have gone to the media had he not been put in the situation he's in because of the students? Why do you believe aforementioned details were left out purposefully?

[QUOTE=Tudd;52313497]The collective white guilt just seethes from the letter.[/QUOTE] You ever read any books by Varg Vikernes? He seems like an author you'd enjoy.

[QUOTE=paindoc;52314071]This entire thread is such a shitshow on both sides[/QUOTE] I'm inclined to disagree. I don't think I've seen this many Tudd posts that I agree with.

[QUOTE=Paramud;52314855]You ever read any books by Varg Vikernes? He seems like an author you'd enjoy.[/QUOTE] [quote]Furthermore, those of us who are white bear a particularly large share of that responsibility.[/quote] is literally white guilt. I'm white, my parents came from a country that had nothing to do with slavery of blacks, or mistreatment of indigenous australians, I have never done anything against a person of another race. Do I still share responsibility with some dumb bogan or redneck? White guilt is a thing and is fucking stupid.

[QUOTE=Carbon123;52313938]It is so exhausting having to explain this situation over and over and yet you all still think it was really a "fuck white people day" lmao I'm going to copy and paste this post another student wrote: It's not fuck whitey day. Also, keep in mind that the students that ran this protest are basically fresh out of high school. Yes, perhaps it should have been handled differently, but the professor in question is a grown adult and should have gone through the appropriate steps to fix the problem instead of running to the media and causing a shitstorm that is not only threatening the lives of our students but also the future of our school (now that this rep saw all the media bullshit and now wants to pull funding). I can't believe the response to this I've seen online. It isn't just frustrating but it's actually incredibly depressing. I've never been directly exposed to the power media has in defamation, but here we are!! Usually you're all so good about exposing media bias but in this case nobody gives a fuck. There will be no classes tomorrow because we got another threat over the weekend. People on campus have been assaulted but the police aren't doing anything about it. People are walking around in groups because everyone is scared. I had to go pick up my sister a little while ago because my father is too afraid to let her stay on campus for now. The professor in question is partially at fault for this, yes. He stated some facts but left out incredibly important details, which I seriously doubt was on accident. I know the internet loves to hate "sjws" but our entire school should not be punished for stupid shit said by such an extremely small portion of our student body. If you disagree please let me know why so I can understand your perspective and hopefully change your mind. Please don't just read a news article and take it as absolute truth. Please use critical thought. [editline]5th June 2017[/editline] "11. Meanwhile, the SJWs are barely literate and struggle with basic reading." holy shit lmao no bias here[/QUOTE] I like how you're aggressively trying to refute video evidence of what happened that day with a text post likely made by someone involved in the protest, yet have the audacity to claim other people are the ones that are biased. Your school sucks dick and you don't know the meaning of the phrase "critical thought", quit trying to defend this racist bullshit. [editline]5th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Paramud;52314855]You ever read any books by Varg Vikernes? He seems like an author you'd enjoy.[/QUOTE] "If you disagree with the concept of white guilt I bet you'd really enjoy the writings of a violent neo-Nazi!"

[QUOTE=Paramud;52314855]You ever read any books by Varg Vikernes? He seems like an author you'd enjoy.[/QUOTE] Kinda funny you explicitly show everyone that you think someone who disagrees with you has to be a Nazi. :v:

[QUOTE=Carbon123;52313938]Please don't just read a news article and take it as absolute truth. [B]Please use critical thought.[/B][/QUOTE] You seem to mean, "Ignore all the facts and arguments being presented and take my personal opinion as truth." That's the opposite of critical thought. You've even failed to understand the basic issue at hand (or aren't being intellectually honest, but I won't assume that as of yet) by saying that this situation is equivalent to previous Days of Absence, but with the races switched.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52315376]Kinda funny you explicitly show everyone that you think someone who disagrees with you has to be a Nazi. :v:[/QUOTE] No, he just writes a lot about this kind of thing and I thought you'd be interested. As far as I'm aware he's never explicitly stated he was a neo-nazi.

[QUOTE=Paramud;52315676]No, he just writes a lot about this kind of thing and I thought you'd be interested. As far as I'm aware he's never explicitly stated he was a neo-nazi.[/QUOTE] He's just really into European culture

The hypocrisy makes my head hurt.

[QUOTE=Paramud;52315676]No, he just writes a lot about this kind of thing and I thought you'd be interested. As far as I'm aware he's never explicitly stated he was a neo-nazi.[/QUOTE] He was affiliated with the Heathen Front who were often called nazi's and also some neo nazi's that wanted to bust him out but got busted during his stay in prison but was never really a part of them or the heathen front. He used to describe his views as nazism but went back on that though. [QUOTE]In a July 2005 statement on his website, Vikernes states that although he "occasionally used the term 'nazism' to describe [his] ideological foundation", he no longer describes himself as such: "The reason I have been drawn to and occasionally have expressed support for 'nazism' is mainly because many of the Norwegian (and German) 'nazis' embraced our Pagan religion as our blood-religion and they rejected Judeo-Christianity as Jewish heresy".[88] He identifies three things which distinguish him from the "Nazis": "unlike them I am not socialistic (not even on a national level), I am not materialistic and I believe in (the ancient Scandinavian!) democracy".[88] He added: "The 'nazi ghost' has scared millions of Europeans from caring about their blood and homeland for sixty years now, and it is about time we banish this ghost and again start to think and care about the things that (whether we like it or not) are important to us." Vikernes also expressed a desire to not be associated with anti-Slavic sentiments.[88][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Norwegian black metal musician and heathen Varg Vikernes has been linked to the Heathen Front. In a 2009 interview with Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet, Vikernes states: "I have never formed or been a member of such organisations".[5] The claim that Vikernes was the leader of the Heathen Front was initiated by the Norwegian anti-fascist magazine Monitor. In an interview, Vikernes states: The NHF (Norwegian Heathen Front) was persecuted in Norway, by the Antifa/Monitor, who repeatedly wrote that the NHF was neo-Nazi and that leader was Varg Vikernes, and so forth. Even when the NHF told them that Varg Vikernes is not the leader of the NHF or the AHF they just kept on about it. Even the secret police claimed adamantly that I was the leader of the NHF when they interviewed one of the NHF guys ... He told them I wasn't the leader, but they just ignored him and trusted their own sources instead.[6] Although not being a member of the Allgermanische Heidnische Front, Vikernes maintained an affiliation with them during his time in prison, writing articles for their magazine. Vikernes later ceased to be involved with the organisation.[6][/QUOTE] He is an ethnonationalist and something he calls odalist though, believes everyone should be living in their ancestral homeland and in smaller tribe like communities rather than how we live today and a bunch of other stuff. Nowadays he makes youtube videos on his views, black metal, paganism, what he does from day to day, his tabletop RPG game and other stuff. He's definitely an interesting guy to say the least.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52313860][...] [quote][...] “These students and their administration are trying to undo the Civil Rights Movement,” Manweller told Campus Reform. “They are trying to re-institute a Jim Crow approach to education that Americans rejected over 50 years ago.” If passed, the bill — which will be accompanied by a formal request to the state Human Rights Commission to investigate Evergreen’s civil-rights infractions — would send a strong message to the increasingly violent anti-free-speech protesters who have recently shut down speaking events at public universities such as UC Berkeley and Cal State LA. [...][/quote] [...][/QUOTE] I can't believe I agree with Republicans on a controversial race issue :suicide: It's not even a free speech issue to me though, you just can't have publicly funded discriminatory institutions (and/or this racist and/or defamatory institutions in general, for that matter) if you want things to not go (even more) sideways. [editline]6th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=cplcollas;52316522]He was affiliated with the Heathen Front who were often called nazi's and also some neo nazi's that wanted to bust him out but got busted during his stay in prison but was never really a part of them or the heathen front. He used to describe his views as nazism but went back on that though. [...] He is an ethnonationalist and something he calls odalist though, believes everyone should be living in their ancestral homeland and in smaller tribe like communities rather than how we live today and a bunch of other stuff. Nowadays he makes youtube videos on his views, black metal, paganism, what he does from day to day, his tabletop RPG game and other stuff. He's definitely an interesting guy to say the least.[/QUOTE] I fail to see a significant difference, to be honest. Even if he doesn't promote oppression of any specific group (I'm doubtful.), following his ideas at all would pretty much instantly lead to the exact same outcome judging by the information in your post.