[QUOTE=acpm;40089228]they didn't invent that either
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so do universities, corporate entities, and research and development laboratories
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wow you read snarky posts really well, you must be an english major who likes science too huh[/QUOTE]
The technology that begins in NASA trickles down into society. Computers started to get smaller because you can't send 2 ton computers into orbit that easily. Everyone expects instant results and think it has no effect on modern society or technology. It's an investment that always gives back results. Just because you say it wasn't "invented" by NASA, that doesn't mean the methods, materials or resources used to create modern products didn't originate by similar technology originally developed by NASA.
UV-blocking sunglasses, solar panels, water filters, memory foam, invisiline, freeze dried food, cell phone cameras, artificial limbs, baby formula, ear thermometers, etc.
What do those have to do with going into space? Because you basically need that technology up there. If there's a need then there's innovation.
ugh
video makes me feel like i'm on wimp
"Mushed up nutrients in some jar for astronauts? I'm gonna try to make some baby formula like that for all these people down here."
[QUOTE=acpm;40089228]they didn't invent that either
[editline]29th March 2013[/editline]
so do universities, corporate entities, and research and development laboratories
[editline]29th March 2013[/editline]
wow you read snarky posts really well, you must be an english major who likes science too huh[/QUOTE]
did changing your name from amcfaggot allow you to be more of an asshole because you're being pretty childish right now for a "20 year old developer and designer"
[QUOTE=acpm;40088343]Introducing new methods of renewing used resources and materials, bringing forth ways to improve health and education, creating more efficient transportation that can be implemented as a blanket replacement for our current situation worldwide with gas, or building power efficient homes.
I don't know, making practical but huge breakthrough things here on planet Earth, instead of stargazing while sucking Neil deGrasse Tyson's dick or whoever /r/atheism decides to hail to next week as a figurehead of "true" scientific progress.[/QUOTE]
this can be done through space exploration. we need to find exotic, affordable solutions to problems like efficient transportation and renewing used resources and materials to get to other planets. in order to better serve a long term mission in space where restocking is not an option, new ways to store and create food is needed.
space helps jumpstart these inventions because it gives us a serious goal with very serious consequences for failure(death of astronauts and loss of national prestige).
[QUOTE=acpm;40088427]maybe since you're so interested in science, you can tell me why it takes aeronautical research to develop basketball shoes
or how it was that the first fire alarm was developed 68 years before nasa formed, but nasa still invented them right? totally
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we didn't stop dreaming
facepunchers stopped using their brains[/QUOTE]
seriously, look through the website. the technologies originally developed by nasa might one day save your life.
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modern medicine has gained a lot from nasa technologies.
[QUOTE=acpm;40087627]I don't know what it is with people thinking going into space is the only thing that defines "the future."[/QUOTE]
umm
probably because the earth is extremely limited and at some point we need to look into space exploration or die??
idk though
also all of the reasons listed above but idunno maybe we can just all fester on earth and die in a few thousand years.
It still blows my mind every time i Hear about mars or even the fact of how for voyager 1 is. Space is interesting and it develops great conversation and invigorates everybody to get intrigued by the whole universe and become humble of how small we really are. But if you really wanted change. All you would have to do is to have every human being fed on this planet every child educated so we can travel in space with time shares on mars or the moon.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pfwY2TNehw&lr=1[/media]
Related and equally (I say more) touching
I could see NASA accidentally inventing flying cars in their research of new rocket engines. That makes it all worth it in the short term.
[QUOTE=Hawke7;40092548]I could see NASA accidentally inventing flying cars in their research of new rocket engines. That makes it all worth it in the short term.[/QUOTE]
Well, I dunno about that. People are shitty at driving when it comes to land cars. Think of the damage with flying cars.
I want people to hear this though, I want people to go to outer space. If we don't, we'll never discover, innovate technology, or colonize planets. I think it would be worth it in the long shot. I wouldn't want out whole civilization of humanity to be wiped out by a meteor or something.
I don't know what the fuck is up with this ACPM guy but his argument is shit.
NASA's endeavors have not only allowed the function of fuck all we use today, but it has also changed the way we view the world, and it has changed our culture.
Only a huge prick could think that half a cent on the tax dollar isn't worth spending for bringing us all of that.
Space is the absolute future. Our continued existence as a race will in some point in time rely on the space industry, with completely undoubted certainty whatsoever.
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Sorry to break it to you buddy, but Space is not optional for our modern society if we want that society to continue existing.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;40088572]I cried.[/QUOTE]
Check out the Sagan Series if you havn't already. Tears will be shed
[QUOTE=CanadianBill;40092032][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pfwY2TNehw&lr=1[/media]
Related and equally (I say more) touching[/QUOTE]
240p
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what's the point
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;40093004]I don't know what the fuck is up with this ACPM guy but his argument is shit.
NASA's endeavors have not only allowed the function of fuck all we use today, but it has also changed the way we view the world, and it has changed our culture.
Only a huge prick could think that half a cent on the tax dollar isn't worth spending for bringing us all of that.
Space is the absolute future. Our continued existence as a race will in some point in time rely on the space industry, with completely undoubted certainty whatsoever.
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Sorry to break it to you buddy, but Space is not optional for our modern society if we want that society to continue existing.[/QUOTE]
Let the cave dweller stay in the cave. It's obviously too scary outside for him.
[QUOTE=acpm;40089228]they didn't invent that either
[editline]29th March 2013[/editline]
so do universities, corporate entities, and research and development laboratories
[editline]29th March 2013[/editline]
wow you read snarky posts really well, you must be an english major who likes science too huh[/QUOTE]
Ok, here's your problem:
You can't think far enough ahead to realise that, one way or another, humans will not survive on earth alone. Say we're in your reality where we research everything on earth.
On a general level, we hit a point where there is physically nothing else non-space travel related to discover. What happens then? We live happily ever after in a land of nano-milk and sustainable synthetic honey? No, we wouldn't reach that point, because we would've nuked ourselves into dust some 24-million years ago and there won't be anyone else left on any other stellar body to guarantee survival.
On an economic level, we hit that same point where there's nothing left to find. Now, nobody can produce these things because they're way too expensive and supply could never meet demand. And that's assuming humanity hasn't starved to death because the world's resources are completely gone and the ecosystem stopped existing millions of years ago.
On a scientific level, we can't hit that level of "everything's done", because [B]WE NEVER WENT INTO FUCKING SPACE.[/B]
You know what? Screw it. Shut down every aerospace organization and exterminate everyone involved. Deorbit everything we have in space and build a massive roof over earth so we never see the stars again. Let some evil space empire take over the universe and never fight back against them. Because the alternative would be us surviving and having to deal with more people like [I]you.
[/I]Phew. On-topic, here's the sequel:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFO2usVjfQc[/media]
[QUOTE=Pilotguy97;40093772]Ok, here's your problem:
You can't think far enough ahead to realise that, one way or another, humans will not survive on earth alone. Say we're in your reality where we research everything on earth.
On a general level, we hit a point where there is physically nothing else non-space travel related to discover. What happens then? We live happily ever after in a land of nano-milk and sustainable synthetic honey? No, we wouldn't reach that point, because we would've nuked ourselves into dust some 24-million years ago and there won't be anyone else left on any other stellar body to guarantee survival.
On an economic level, we hit that same point where there's nothing left to find. Now, nobody can produce these things because they're way too expensive and supply could never meet demand. And that's assuming humanity hasn't starved to death because the world's resources are completely gone and the ecosystem stopped existing millions of years ago.
On a scientific level, we can't hit that level of "everything's done", because [B]WE NEVER WENT INTO FUCKING SPACE.[/B]
You know what? Screw it. Shut down every aerospace organization and exterminate everyone involved. Deorbit everything we have in space and build a massive roof over earth so we never see the stars again. Let some evil space empire take over the universe and never fight back against them. Because the alternative would be us surviving and having to deal with more people like [I]you.
[/I]Phew. On-topic, here's the sequel:
[/QUOTE]
I think it's absurd that you can just guarantee the survival of the human race by backing it up on some other stellar body - there's no way to do so. We have no means of supporting life on the Moon or Mars without regular supply from Earth (even this is far, far beyond our reach). We have no means of doing so with Antarctica. There is no way, now or ever, of living in a place with no similarity to the nice, temperate climates here. If life on earth ends, no colony will be self-sufficient enough to 'carry the torch' - equipment will break with no hope for repair, fuel tanks will run dry, everyone will die eventually. Besides, if we nuke ourselves to dust here, what makes you think that all the space-people won't do the same?
Could you clarify your economic argument? It appears to me what you're saying is that we require research into space to produce new technologies, or to drive the price down. I apologize if that's a straw man of sorts but it doesn't seem to me like it's true. Let's say there is a component of a consumer product that also has a use in space- research in space may reduce the price, but surely mass production will do the same.
The only practical benefit anyone has mentioned besides these is the list of technologies NASA invented/improved - but I think these could be better accomplished by an organization whose expressed purpose is the invention and improvement of technology. Like universities, corporate entities, and research and development laboratories.
I don't think NASA has a reason to exist other than a ministry to satisfy idle scientific curiosity. This is a perfectly good reason, of course, so I don't see why it has to be anything more than that.
[QUOTE=Pilotguy97;40093772]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFO2usVjfQc[/media][/QUOTE]
"We went to the moon, and discovered earth"
Shit's inspirational mang.
"We need to look at NASA not as a hand out, but as an investment"
My favorite quote from there
Space is an investment for inspiration. When people see rockets launching and people landing on different planets, that makes people want to grow up and do that. "What do you want to grow up to me Johnny?" "I want to be an astronaut!" We need more of this. If we don't, we're gonna have more lawyers and more politicians, people who just fuck up everything more than it already is. Those are the people busy in some playing card game of laws and money while the very few are researching and designing the world we will ALL live in tomorrow. If we don't have those few, those scientists and engineers, innovators and entrepreneurs, we don't HAVE tomorrow. All we have is the same shit we had today which is a piling debt, phony leaders, and law systems that don't make any fucking sense.
I see so many of my peers going into the wrong careers. I am one of the few studying a science and I can say first-hand we are not inspired. There are plenty of jobs for technologists, and none for everyone else. But the shit people are doing with their knowledge is just unproductive. No one is innovating, we just keep making crap websites and products that cram our brains and planet with garbage.
If we aren't moving forward we are destroying ourselves. Our planet can't take it much longer.
I like the "We got scared" video more.
[QUOTE=Krinkels;40094832]I think it's absurd that you can just guarantee the survival of the human race by backing it up on some other stellar body - there's no way to do so. We have no means of supporting life on the Moon or Mars without regular supply from Earth (even this is far, far beyond our reach). We have no means of doing so with Antarctica. There is no way, now or ever, of living in a place with no similarity to the nice, temperate climates here. If life on earth ends, no colony will be self-sufficient enough to 'carry the torch' - equipment will break with no hope for repair, fuel tanks will run dry, everyone will die eventually. Besides, if we nuke ourselves to dust here, what makes you think that all the space-people won't do the same?
Could you clarify your economic argument? It appears to me what you're saying is that we require research into space to produce new technologies, or to drive the price down. I apologize if that's a straw man of sorts but it doesn't seem to me like it's true. Let's say there is a component of a consumer product that also has a use in space- research in space may reduce the price, but surely mass production will do the same.
The only practical benefit anyone has mentioned besides these is the list of technologies NASA invented/improved - but I think these could be better accomplished by an organization whose expressed purpose is the invention and improvement of technology. Like universities, corporate entities, and research and development laboratories.
I don't think NASA has a reason to exist other than a ministry to satisfy idle scientific curiosity. This is a perfectly good reason, of course, so I don't see why it has to be anything more than that.[/QUOTE]
Its completely unfair to say that we'll never be able to colonize planets efficiently enough to sustain a practical colony on it. In fact, if we had stayed focus on Space after we landed on the moon, we probably would of figured out a way to sustain a colony and started researching it by now. We know how air can be sustained on Earth, whats stopping us from finding a way to replicate that but on a much smaller scale? You're looking at it in the wrong way. We just need time, effort and [I]money[/I] put into it to really get the impossibilities turn into possibilities.
It is a dream, almost a fantasy, but not impossible.
[QUOTE=Krinkels;40094832]I think it's absurd that you can just guarantee the survival of the human race by backing it up on some other stellar body - there's no way to do so. We have no means of supporting life on the Moon or Mars without regular supply from Earth (even this is far, far beyond our reach). We have no means of doing so with Antarctica. There is no way, now or ever, of living in a place with no similarity to the nice, temperate climates here. If life on earth ends, no colony will be self-sufficient enough to 'carry the torch' - equipment will break with no hope for repair, fuel tanks will run dry, everyone will die eventually. Besides, if we nuke ourselves to dust here, what makes you think that all the space-people won't do the same?
Could you clarify your economic argument? It appears to me what you're saying is that we require research into space to produce new technologies, or to drive the price down. I apologize if that's a straw man of sorts but it doesn't seem to me like it's true. Let's say there is a component of a consumer product that also has a use in space- research in space may reduce the price, but surely mass production will do the same.
The only practical benefit anyone has mentioned besides these is the list of technologies NASA invented/improved - but I think these could be better accomplished by an organization whose expressed purpose is the invention and improvement of technology. Like universities, corporate entities, and research and development laboratories.
I don't think NASA has a reason to exist other than a ministry to satisfy idle scientific curiosity. This is a perfectly good reason, of course, so I don't see why it has to be anything more than that.[/QUOTE]lol hi are you from the future or something how do you know this?
[QUOTE=Krinkels;40094832]I think it's absurd that you can just guarantee the survival of the human race by backing it up on some other stellar body - there's no way to do so. We have no means of supporting life on the Moon or Mars without regular supply from Earth (even this is far, far beyond our reach). We have no means of doing so with Antarctica. There is no way, now or ever, of living in a place with no similarity to the nice, temperate climates here. If life on earth ends, no colony will be self-sufficient enough to 'carry the torch' - equipment will break with no hope for repair, fuel tanks will run dry, everyone will die eventually. Besides, if we nuke ourselves to dust here, what makes you think that all the space-people won't do the same?
Could you clarify your economic argument? It appears to me what you're saying is that we require research into space to produce new technologies, or to drive the price down. I apologize if that's a straw man of sorts but it doesn't seem to me like it's true. Let's say there is a component of a consumer product that also has a use in space- research in space may reduce the price, but surely mass production will do the same.
The only practical benefit anyone has mentioned besides these is the list of technologies NASA invented/improved - but I think these could be better accomplished by an organization whose expressed purpose is the invention and improvement of technology. Like universities, corporate entities, and research and development laboratories.
I don't think NASA has a reason to exist other than a ministry to satisfy idle scientific curiosity. This is a perfectly good reason, of course, so I don't see why it has to be anything more than that.[/QUOTE]
Mars has every resource we'd need to rebuild a civilization over time, sans Petroleum which you could argue the necessity of in a hundred years or so. A self sustainable Mars colony, and thriving civilization is not a pipe dream. It will just take effort. So lets start now so when the time comes, it will be ready to carry the torch for humanity.
[QUOTE=Killer900;40099717]lol hi are you from the future or something how do you know this?[/QUOTE]
I was going to make a post about how "It was nice of you to come back from the future to tell us what is and isn't possible" but yours carries the sentiment just as well.
[QUOTE=Zoo;40095906] "I want to be an astronaut!"[/QUOTE]
NO!! YOU BE KILL BY DEMONS!!
[QUOTE=entertainer89;40101076]NO!! YOU BE KILL BY DEMONS!![/QUOTE]
but you are the DEMONS
Ive always said that these next generations of kids will be doomed because there not inspired anymore by anything. Theres so much shit going on in the world and economies are sucking. Now all these kids look up to as there idols and way of life is these shitty pop culture people and facebook and smartphones. With more and more teens getting prego these days its deffinitly not going to be good either. Theres no imagination left, its a sad for all of us.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;40101076]NO!! YOU BE KILL BY DEMONS!![/QUOTE]
but what if they're huge? then they'd have huge guts
rip and tear their guts
[QUOTE=acpm;40088427]maybe since you're so interested in science, you can tell me why it takes aeronautical research to develop basketball shoes
or how it was that the first fire alarm was developed 68 years before nasa formed, but nasa still invented them right? totally
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we didn't stop dreaming
facepunchers stopped using their brains[/QUOTE]
Investing in space doesn't mean we can't invest elsewhere - did you ever learn to use your brain? And really, I generally dislike pop-science and stuff with ~inspirational music~, but you've got to be a grade-A cynical bore of a man to not be interested in space.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40104567]I generally dislike pop-science and stuff with ~inspirational music~, but you've got to be a grade-A cynical bore of a man to not be interested in space.[/QUOTE]
bingo
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