I only get scolded at, which is something scary enough for me. I feel bad for the guys here who actually get whipped though, it sounds fucking awful.
[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;26362836]My parents slapped me on the arse when I did bad things and I'm not damaged.
There's a limit of course, and it shouldn't be used constantly, only for serious behaviour.
Rewards are important too though, it's well documented that rewards and punishments in combination work better than the sum of it's parts.[/QUOTE]
This man knows what's up.
well there are better ways to make a child act nice then beating them
I think that in some cases it's unnecessary, and can be scarring. My parents used to slap me, and most of the time it taught me a lesson and I've deserved it. But it's been taken too far on occasion. I have a horrid childhood memory of, having wound my dad up, being chased up the stairs to my room, and being pretty viciously whacked across the back of my legs with each step. Served me right for being a whiny kid, but taken way too far. Again, similar circumstances ended up with my being slapped across the face. The fact I was still a whiny kid shows I didn't really learn a lot from it, but just shows how what can be seen as an innocent punishment can actually go pretty badly wrong and get taken too far.
/rant
Learn to catch the whip/belt etc.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;26365778]well there are better ways to make a child act nice then beating them[/QUOTE]
It's so much easier and more satisfying to hit a child, and it's legal!
Oh look at me, I beat my children because I can't verbally reason or speak with them, so I let my fists do the talking :flex:
On a serious note, I got physical punishment when I was young. But sometimes physical abuse cases are dementedly excessive.
I don't think a small spank or something like that is abuse, but if it happens often and injures the child - physically or mentally - it is abuse.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;26365649]I guess you've never been actually beaten.[/QUOTE]
Beating is abuse, getting smacked on the butt when I deserved it isn't.
I honestly think spanking is completely fine. Belts and such are not.
In 1969, my dad's teacher used to smash 2 bad kids heads together. Same year, my grandma spanked my dad with a heavy, leather belt with metal shards stuck in it.
I'm glad I wasn't alive then, but at the same time the 60's would've been cool.
[QUOTE=Nerts;26361370]Sometimes, you do have to slap some kids to get them to stop being stubborn little brats and teach them they're not always going to get things their way.
But hitting a kid with a whip or punching them is abuse no matter what way you spin it.[/QUOTE]
Well put good sir.
Guys, bear in mind that children often know what they're doing wrong. I've been smacked a couple of times as a kid - not a thrashing, just a whack on the legs - and it was to let me know what I was doing wrong.
The whole spanking is bad for the child nonsense is just a bunch of hooey. My parents beat the living shit out of me for just about everything and I turned out just fine. Hell, it even gave me an extremely high pain tolerance, and who wouldn't like that?
I think if your child says something incredibly disrespectful or rude, a very light slap the the back of the head would be the most "corporal punishment" you can do before its really abuse.
On occasion there are kids that really need to be hit. Kids so incredibly obnoxious that the only thing they'll understand is a good smack. Not many kids like that, though.
For example: there is one kid in my neighborhood with fundamentally shitty attitude, and he has a spineless mother that just spoils him, so he's incredibly racist and rude without consequence. I've seen him insult Blacks and Asians to their face, he thinks it's funny something. I'm sure one day he'll flip off the wrong person and he'll get a healthy savage beating to set him straight, some kids just don't listen to reason or don't have the mental capacity to empathize, so the only thing they understand is consequences.
You don't need to hurt someone to tell them they are wrong. It is straight up abuse.
i don't want kids because i don't want to take the time to beat the shit out of them
which is why i'd be a bad parent
People say it can mess up the kid. Maybe excessive physical punishment. However, limited amounts will do fuck-all to the the kid. It's been done for generations and no-one has ever produced evidence, or even noted, that minor physical punishment has a negative effect on the child. In fact, I would argue that as punishments has gotten more lenient, child obedience has worsened.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;26367281]Guys, bear in mind that children often know what they're doing wrong. I've been smacked a couple of times as a kid - not a thrashing, just a whack on the legs - and it was to let me know what I was doing wrong.[/QUOTE]
so you only know that you are doing something wrong when you get beat?
Corporal punishment should be re-introduced just like in the olden days. Slippers, kanes, rulers should all be allowed. Obviously there is a threshold, but without it you're always going to be little arseholes who do what they please because there are no consequences for their actions. Schools (And parents too) are too soft on children these days.
I was spanked as a child for doing various bad things. Guess what? I didn't do those things again. Why? So I wouldn't get spanked! It wasn't terribly painful, but it was enough to say, "Hey, maybe you shouldn't do that again. If you do it again, you must be very thick."
There's a thin line between spanking your kid so they don't do some shit again and beating them into a bloody mess with a whip or a belt. [U][I][B]IF[/B][/I][/U]I ever have children, and provided there's not some law against touching you child in any way, I'll probably spank them.
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Also, the poll is skewed to extremes. There should be a third, more gray area option.
Slapping them isn't all that bad imo, doesn't really damage or hurt them but gives a stern message. But fucking horsewhips? Fuck no.
I was spanked very rarely growing up. It was made clear that it was for serious offenses when other forms of punishments, time outs, no TV, taking away favorite toys, hadn't worked. It was never very hard and was always done to a clothed bum. When we got older and we did something [i]really[/i] bad (like when I picked up a hot frying pan off the stove and threatened to hit my sister with it), my dad would take his belt off and whip it against some surface. That would be more than enough to send us into tears and promise to never do what we had just done again, and years later, I've never even dreamt of doing something that elicited my dad's belt coming off.
All forms of punishments have limits on what is/is not abuse. Several years ago I discussed this with a coworker who has 6 children and his rule of thumb was that if you needed to spank a kid on a regular basis, left any sort of physical mark or injury, or the punishment was harsh enough that a doctor's visit was later required (or at the very least recommended) then you have gone too far. Even if you never lay a finger on a child, you can still abuse them through punishments such as overly long time outs or constantly degrading them. One of my friend's mom told her the other day that she loved her best friend because "it's just like having another daughter, I just didn't have to raise this one!" I personally find that comment to be far more harsh and harmful than any spanking I received growing up.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;26367828]so you only know that you are doing something wrong when you get beat?[/QUOTE]
No? I already knew I was doing the wrong thing, but I did it anyway (like many other children/adults/everyone). Smack made me stop it - it didn't program me to be violent, or other exaggerated alarmist bullshit you hear.
No way, my parents used to spank me when I did bad as a child and I can say I'm a better person because of it.
One of my friends has parents who never spanked him or anything, just explained the rules and why not to do it and stuff.
He's a complete fuckwit.
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[QUOTE=PelPix123;26370751]My parents didn't punish me at all unless it was severe. The consequences of my actions were the direct consequences of my actions.
If I wanted to walk on top of playground equipment, my punishment was a hard fall and woodchips in my ass. I never did it again.
For example, I was 3 and getting close to a road with speeding cars, and my mother told me not to go near the road. I asked why, and instead of just saying "because I said so," she looked me square in the eyes and said "Because you'll die"
Never went near a road without my parent's permission again.
Then again, I was a pretty odd child. I started talking really early and I was always reasonable. When my mom told me about Santa Clause when I was about two, I told her that it was completely impossible and badgered her for the truth for about a week, asking her ridiculously complex questions about the average airspeed of Santa's vehicle, etc.
She finally cracked and told me he wasn't real. I was very satisfied.
Somehow I don't think this method of raising a child would have worked if I wasn't smart enough to figure it all out.[/QUOTE]
Avatar fits
that guy was smart
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;26371002]No? I already knew I was doing the wrong thing, but I did it anyway (like many other children/adults/everyone). Smack made me stop it - it didn't program me to be violent, or other exaggerated alarmist bullshit you here.[/QUOTE]
I also got smacked but an hour time out worked much better on me.
also studies show that rewarding a kid for the good things they do works much better then punishing when they do something wrong
[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;26361280]Child abuse. You're obviously a very shitty parent if you have to physically abuse your children to convince them you're right. Not to mention it can really fuck up the child.[/QUOTE]
I was smacked as a kid and I turned out fine. I think if more parents weren't afraid of being accused of abuse we'd have much nicer young folks.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;26371955]I also got smacked but an hour time out worked much better on me.
also studies show that rewarding a kid for the good things they do works much better then punishing when they do something wrong[/QUOTE]
Why not just do both. Worked for me.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;26361417]Because teaching kids at an early age that violence is the solution is a GREAT idea![/QUOTE]
Have you played MW2 recently or anything?
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