[QUOTE=Nautsabes;26367299]The whole spanking is bad for the child nonsense is just a bunch of hooey. My parents beat the living shit out of me for just about everything and I turned out just fine. Hell, it even gave me an extremely high pain tolerance, and who wouldn't like that?[/QUOTE]
You guys all have way too much respect for your parents. They don't have any right to so far as slap you, just like anyone else.
[QUOTE={ABK}AbbySciuto;26370196]I was spanked as a child for doing various bad things. Guess what? I didn't do those things again. Why? So I wouldn't get spanked!
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Which is exactly the wrong reason.
That's teaching you not to ever question authority. In a way, become a slave.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;26375866]I am for reinforcement of personal freedoms, and I believe a parent should be free to punish their child however necessary. [/QUOTE]
I'm for a reinforcement of personal freedoms too, but I believe this violates the child's personal fredoms.
[QUOTE=Thugnificentt;26377737][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbiq2-ukfhM[/url]
Very interesting study and analysis done by a good philosopher.[/QUOTE]
Word.
in certain extreme situations I believe spanking is an excellent punishment, because it both hurts like a bitch for a few minutes (but only a few minutes and isn't really a physical punishment in its own right) and is also [B]thoroughly humiliating[/B]
and by extreme situations I mean extreme - I remember being spanked only a handful of times as a child - one of which, for example, was when I made an obviously [B]racist[/B] remark about a costa rican boy in my class. my dad wouldn't have his boy being a goddamn bigot so he immediately took me outside, bent me over his knee, pulled my pants down, and painted my back porch red. the stinging subsided after a few minutes but boy did it teach me a lesson, and I hold absolutely nothing against him for doing it - he was totally in the right
however, there's a difference between spanking your child and, in doing so, temporarily hurting and humiliating them to teach them a lesson for being racist and other such extreme cases and regularly smacking them upside the head as punishment for any old thing. there are much better ways to deal with your kid and if that's your method you're a pretty shit parent
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and, just to be extra clear, slapping/smacking/hitting is never, ever an acceptable parenting tactic - spanking is the absolute limit for me, and only for the reasons I've outlined above
basically if you have to hit your kid across the face to discipline them you're doing it wrong and it most likely [I]will[/I] fuck them up in one way or another
[QUOTE=Strongbad;26375918]A mod?
Posting in MY thread?[/QUOTE]
With a valid point aswell. There's a reason you have electric fences around pens. It hurts once, then the horsey never tried it again.
Though the downside of this is that they might be afraid to try anything at all (applying this horse logic to children now)
Another thing that bothers me is verbal abuse on children. Nothing can really be done about it, and if you were to take action, it would be very hard to prove anything. My girlfriend has been verbally abused by her mother, but there really isn't much she can do, which kills me.
We wouldn't be nervous to travel at night if corporal punishment was still in order. people aren't fearing the consequences of their actions, making them not scared of commiting a crime. You got your chavs and gangs :saddowns:
[QUOTE=Dragon Master;26387906]We wouldn't be nervous to travel at night if corporal punishment was still in order. people aren't fearing the consequences of their actions, making them not scared of commiting a crime. You got your chavs and gangs :saddowns:[/QUOTE]
that's stupid
No. When I was little if I was acting like a little twat I got smacked across the face for doing so. I respect my parents and other authoritarian figures now...
a belt/hand smack on the ass is not abuse, but beating a child repeatedly is fucked up
if you're mad about being beaten as a child you're probably still a child
corporal punishment is necessary and if you think otherwise you weren't beaten hard enough
[QUOTE=Seven Of Nine;26361628]i should have been hit more as a kid[/QUOTE]
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Spanking or a slap are enough. And only for some really stubborn behaviour. But the time-out method seems pretty clever. I might use it (I hope I'll never have to) if my kids behave bad.
It depends on how much they get hurt, if you constantly do "corporal punishment" then yeah, its abuse. But if you do it here and there, its not. By here and there, I mean every other month or so
Time outs didn't work on me as a kid, I would just fume about how I hadn't done anything wrong. I would basically just hold in a bunch of feelings and hold it against them. When I was spanked they talked to me about what I did.
When your little time outs don't work when you don't know what is right and wrong well. I learned why you don't touch a hot stove after I touched it. My parents let me experience things first hand and taught me what to do for cases they didn't want me to have to go through. They taught me to respect authority figures and it stuck.
[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;26362288]Well what do you think religion is? If I do bad, I burn in hell for all eternity, if I do well then I get to live in heaven for eternity.[/QUOTE]
That just shows how little you know about Christianity.
Fear of violent reprisal for misbehavior is no way to raise a child. Hence I say it is abuse.
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;26391790]Fear of violent reprisal for misbehavior is no way to raise a child. Hence I say it is abuse.[/QUOTE]
this
psychological abuse is still abuse
I think spanking/slapping is OK in some circumstances, though it should never leave a mark and it definitely shouldn't be done with a weapon/blunt instrument. I can remember being hit only twice when I was a kid, and they were for relatively good reasons(I made my mom cry, my dad spanked me|I broke one of my neighbors windows playing with a football, my parents told me not do it again but I did it again sometime later, breaking the window of another neighbor. Got spanked).
The only thing I can really remember about being spanked was the humiliation, they didn't really hit me hard enough to cause alot of pain.
However, hitting a child hard enough to actually cause lasting damage, or using a whip, is just unnecessary.
A little punch to the face builds character.
My dad's a huge asshole, so when he smacks me i try not to show emotion or pain, because doing so would benefit him in that he put fear in me. Although those bottled up emotions can't be good for me.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;26361232]Parents often beat children for breaking rules. Some parents spank them. Others, like mine, use whips, belts or fly swatters. My parents were special. They used a fucking horsewhip.
Child abuse is defined as physically hurting a child, or not taking proper care of them. Corporal punishment is whipping them.
Wikipedia defines Corporal Punishment as follows:
Whipping a child could arguably instill a hatred in the child which they will never have a chance to take out on their parents, so they whip their kids, creating a long line of parents who will physically abuse their children.
What is FP's opinion on this?[/QUOTE]
166 votes for yes and 163 for no...
[QUOTE=O'10er;26392062]A little punch to the face builds character.[/QUOTE]
Of a criminal, yes.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;26377323]Welcome to the world. When little kids are having immature tantrums, sometimes the best solution is a clip on the leg.[/QUOTE]
or just a half an hour time out
This is way too nuanced for two poll options, ffs.
My parents only had to spank me once to let me know they weren't fucking around. I'm glad they did it. Kids are concrete thinkers only. They don't need the shit beat out of them, but they do need sparse physical punishments be it kneeling/spanking/whatever. Disapproval alone isn't going to make them care. It might be heartbreaking, but parents need to realize that children don't have the abstract thinking capacity and sophistication to understand and respect complex social contracts. That may sound ridiculous, but I do think that some parents believe they do.
Sometimes they need concrete punishments.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26376154]I think it's acceptable to hit adults :rolleye:[/QUOTE]
The law doesn't.
Whack a kid? Oh, it's discipline.
Whack an adult? Jail for assault.
Yes. I'm a child and I think getting punished sucks.
-snip- Can't seem to portray my thoughts accurately.
as long as it's not excessive it can only help
I swear to fuck I've never h eard "corporal punishment" used before Thanksgiving, and here it is being used like hotcakes
Spankings and belts to the ass aren't very harsh, but there are other more creative ways to punish a child besides beatings.
When I fucked up as a kid my parents used to make me write a page about why what I did was wrong or make me do certain exercises.
As a child I would much rather get the shit beat out of me than do those.
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