[QUOTE=Primigenes;49022888]Well whatever I guess Araki is the one making shit sexual(sexualized) and not you because you subscribe to popular belief that high fashion is feminine or gay.[/QUOTE]
just because something is sexual doesn't mean it is feminine or gay. a fashion designer isn't blind to sexuality, they specifically use elements of it to varying degrees when they design their clothes. the main purpose is most certainly not to get rocks off but that doesn't mean they aren't adding elements designed to elicit emotions of arousal in some of their designs that incorporate sexuality. even some poses are designed in a way to accentuate primary and secondary sexual characteristics, especially in the case of the bare assed aztecans. swayed hips with exposed ass, bare thighs pulled up to be in center view, it seems obvious that araki was utilizing sexuality to fit in with their aesthetic.
[QUOTE=27X;49024034]This is the guy who knows more about X-Men than Chris Claremont, remember.[/QUOTE]
Wait what?
Link?
Oh ive GOT to read that story.
[editline]31st October 2015[/editline]
Primigenes, if you didnt run away, i have an honest question.
That pose from last page, of the Pillar Men?
If you replaced them with women, exact same poses, exact same outfits, same context, would that not be sexual?
If the Pillar Men as is arent sexual, simply because he was inpsired by the fashion industry, then surely the same would be true if it were the opposite sex, and they were Pillar Women?
[QUOTE=Primigenes;49022334] JJBA being the new meme anime doesnt make it so the bullshit you says becomes true[/QUOTE]
the panel you're responding to is almost 30 years old
[QUOTE=Camdude90;49024569]the panel you're responding to is almost 30 years old[/QUOTE]
1987 to be precise.
And for context, though it hasnt gotten as extreme as the Pillar Men really since, compared to Parts 1 and 3, its only gotten gayer.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/YWP7661.png[/img]
I mean for fucks sake, Part 8 only started in 2011.
I mean it actually has female characters who are important at the moment but still.
[url=http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6pzz7Sb911r2vzv3o1_500.jpg]Steel Ball Run too.[/url]
[QUOTE=Primigenes;49024590]While im not even going to discuss JJBA anymore can you fuck off with your petty shit. I just googled any interaction Ive had with you on Claremont and its you saying some dumb shit and getting dumbed for it because you responded to scans with ad hominem and no proof of anything. Piss off if your going to bring up random shit because your salty about past interactions where i never said a thing to you and everyone else just sorted you out with dumbs. Jesus christ its like youre not even salty about something I said but the fact people dumbed you. You literally replied to me in that thread and got no response. Fuck are you salty about. Like are you twelve
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1388744&p=44674303&viewfull=1#post44674303[/url]
Also stop derailing the thread with salt. I dont even give a fuck if people want to call me stupid for some shit I actually did in a thread but youre being a little baby over some dumb shit that you feel personally hurt about thats over a year old. I could barely remember your name let alone the specifics of the conversation. Go sleep[/QUOTE]
You talk about him being salty, yet only a salt factory can produce enough pure salt to fill this post.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;49024604]Dude you dumbed him in the Claremont thread. You dont have to read anything. Hes being a little bitch about my post he responded to and got a dumb from you and like several others[/QUOTE]
Did i?
Must have slipped from my memory.
You still didnt answer my question.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;49024660]I dont feel like talking about JoJo. It doesnt even matter that much to me. You feel Im wrong then idc. I only replied because this dude came out of nowhere shit slinging about dumb shit[/QUOTE]
Bruh.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;49024660]I dont feel like talking about JoJo. It doesnt even matter that much to me. You feel Im wrong then [B]idc[/B]. I only replied because this dude came out of nowhere shit slinging about dumb shit[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah man you clearly don't care.
That's why you came back and responded three times in ten minutes, that's how little you care.
That's why you keep insulting people and calling them shit slingers, because you don't care.
I am amazed at how little you care:hiddendowns:
Like i know why you're not answering that, its because deep down, somewhere, you know you're wrong, but you cant actually own up to it.
But come on dude, have more class about it.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;49024795]My last three posts arent about JoJo. Are you stupid? You get insulted for saying dumb shit. I stopped talking about specifics in Jojo over three hours ago and fourty four kinutes i checked this thread to talk about someone shit slinging. Piss off, im not going to respond to any circle jerk garbage to phish out a response because you really care that much about continuing an argument. Fucking dweeb
Hurr durr fucking brave intrrnet high chair asswipe. Its a fucking argument over an anime let it go. Why do you care if you think Im wrong. Im responding on an android, its not that big of a deal[/QUOTE]
hey man there's no need to be so hostile. Calm down a bit, yeah?
you know, if you don't wanna argue and don't care, it's not hard to close the tab lol
[QUOTE=Primigenes;49024795]My last three posts arent about JoJo. Are you stupid? You get insulted for saying dumb shit. I stopped talking about specifics in Jojo over three hours ago and fourty four kinutes i checked this thread to talk about someone shit slinging. Piss off, im not going to respond to any circle jerk garbage to phish out a response because you really care that much about continuing an argument. Fucking dweeb
Hurr durr fucking brave intrrnet high chair asswipe. Its a fucking argument over an anime let it go. Why do you care if you think Im wrong. Im responding on an android, its not that big of a deal[/QUOTE]
You're trying [i][b]really[/b][/i] hard to show us just how much you don't care.
and just like many other games that would make her argument irrelevant, she's probably going to ignore these arguments made by this person too
also wow she got some big tits
The Salt tanks ruptured and now it's everywhere. God damn I think there's salt on my keyboard as well, that's gonna take weeks to clean out.
These threads always bring out some real funny characters.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;49024795]Hurr durr fucking brave intrrnet high chair asswipe. Its a fucking argument over an anime let it go. Why do you care if you think Im wrong. Im responding on an android, its not that big of a deal
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming / Chill out" - Craptasket))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
this is real primo internet comedy right here, folks
[QUOTE=Mattk50;49025045]These threads always bring out some real funny characters.[/QUOTE]
Yes like the majority of people in here circlejerking over how awful feminazis are ruining their video games
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49025582]Yes like the majority of people in here circlejerking over how awful feminazis are ruining their video games[/QUOTE]
honestly, there's more people mimicing this kind of line, than there are people genuinely arguing that there's genuine feminazi's ruining their games
it's like a fountain of false dichotomies from you post after post when it comes to anything relating to this subject.
how many people must get banned for people to realize how not to argue your point
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49025582]Yes like the majority of people in here circlejerking over how awful feminazis are ruining their video games[/QUOTE]
When world leaders actually allow Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn to speak at the fucking UN, i think its time to start worrying about "awful feminazis ruining our vidya games"
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49025582]Yes like the majority of people in here circlejerking over how awful feminazis are ruining their video games[/QUOTE]
you ignored my question and come back to post this?
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49025582]Yes like the majority of people in here circlejerking over how awful feminazis are ruining their video games[/QUOTE]
Considering people with no malice or maladjusted attitudes have lost actual jobs in the industry over politics like this, your flippancy is not only misplaced, but you're flat-ass wrong.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49025705]
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49025582]Yes like the majority of people in here circlejerking over how awful feminazis are ruining their video games[/QUOTE]
When world leaders actually allow Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn to speak at the fucking UN, i think its time to start worrying about "awful feminazis ruining our vidya games"[/QUOTE]
hell i've reread the entire thread and it is almost entirely pointing out the flaws in people's arguments, not really getting any complainy vibes from anyone except *ahem*
[editline]1st November 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49025708]you ignored my question and come back to post this?[/QUOTE]
it is a classic hit and run, ignore all the hard questions then try to find something to zing off of
[QUOTE=J!NX;49019941]politics absolutely have no right to dabble in video games, and video games, unless being used specifically to make a blunt political statement, have no reason to be in politics either[/QUOTE]
Saying "Keep your politics out of my videogames" is, in of itself, a political stance. We derive the tropes, values, and imagery displayed in games from our surrounding culture and values. Something doesn't have to intend to be political in order to be interpreted as such, or to be used as a lens.
[video]https://youtu.be/7_tdztHiyiE[/video]
Saying that games and political/cultural criticism are wholly distinct entities is to argue that games have no merit as a means of artistic expression. Avoiding political critique or statements, both of, about, and in games, can lead to stagnation and the perpetuation that videogames are nothing more than "toys". They're not toys, they're mediums, and promoting the former is a road we've had to endure in the supreme court with Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association, one that almost led to industry wide censorship.
[QUOTE=GrammarCommie;49025831]Saying "Keep your politics out of my videogames" is, in of itself, a political stance. We derive the tropes, values, and imagery displayed in games from our surrounding culture and values. Something doesn't have to intend to be political in order to be interpreted as such, or to be used as a lens.[/QUOTE]
There is a difference between creators vision and people trying to shoehorn stuff in.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49025848]There is a difference between creators vision and people trying to shoehorn stuff in.[/QUOTE]
Can you please elaborate? What do you mean by "shoehorn"? What is the difference in intent, if you will?
[QUOTE=GrammarCommie;49025831]Saying "Keep your politics out of my videogames" is, in of itself, a political stance. We derive the tropes, values, and imagery displayed in games from our surrounding culture and values. Something doesn't have to intend to be political in order to be interpreted as such, or to be used as a lens.
[video]https://youtu.be/7_tdztHiyiE[/video]
Saying that games and political/cultural criticism are wholly distinct entities is to argue that games have no merit as a means of artistic expression. Avoiding political critique or statements, both of, about, and in games, can lead to stagnation and the perpetuation that videogames are nothing more than "toys". They're not toys, they're mediums, and promoting the former is a road we've had to endure in the supreme court with Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association, one that almost led to industry wide censorship.[/QUOTE]
Just as incorrect and devoid of context as the last time it was posted.
[QUOTE=27X;49025855]Just as incorrect and devoid of context as the last time it was posted.[/QUOTE]What context is missing?
[QUOTE=GrammarCommie;49025851]What do you mean by "shoehorn"? What is the difference in intent, if you will?[/QUOTE]
Nobody is against a creator putting a political message into their game . However when people sign petitions and launch an harassment game to get something added or removed from a piece of media its entirely different.
A huge part of the GG idea is that creators should make whatever they want and that its the market that should decide on what succeeds or not.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49025913]Nobody is against a creator putting a political message into their game . However when people sign petitions and launch an harassment game to get something added or removed from a piece of media its entirely different.
A huge part of the GG idea is that creators should make whatever they want and that its the market that should decide on what succeeds or not.[/QUOTE]
Okay, I can see we need to set some more grounded language for discourse, or else we're just going to be talking past each other.
Creators are [I]able[/I] to make whatever they want. They certainly have the right to, and there's nothing preventing them from doing so. I don't really see anyone advocating to take away content creator
What they [I]ought[/I] to make is an entirely different discussion, and everyone has their own take on it. You see it in every review, critique, and impression of games both in development and post release. You see critiques of mechanics, plotlines, graphics, pacing, artistic cohesion and such all the time, and the political elements are just one of many cogs in the machine. Boycotts and petitions are but one of many ways for consumers to voice their disapproval, broadcasting that they find the product undesirable.
Some food for thought: If the market decides what succeeds and fails, how does it come to that decision? Where does critique play into that market success? Should every criticism be distilled to "If you don't like it, just don't buy it"? What is the purpose of boycotting and the message it broadcasts?
On a sidenote, I don't know what you mean by 'harassment game'. And my impression of gamer gate (that's what you meant by GG, right?) has less to do with games themselves these days and more to do with staunchly opposing the ideas of critical theory, cultivation theory, intersectionality, etcetera. As in, conservatives growing out of their "liberal" youth stage. But that's my take on it.
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