[QUOTE=Tsanummy;49007272]I never said so, I do think it's beyond retarded we can't show a dick on a game but we can simulate someone being shot with full realism or extra gore, depending on the game.
[B]I wish sex was something that could be included in any kind of game because it's normal, healthy and something most of us like experiencing, even as voyeurs.[/B][/QUOTE]
This, 100% this.
Instead of viewing over sexualized games as Sexist, I usually look at it as a Celebration of Sex....Sure it sounds weird but, sex is normal, the most humane thing we have, and we are demonizing it for no reason.
[QUOTE=Xonax;49007258]Holy fuck, are you serious?
You are seriously going through our shit (and yes I know I have it linked) to use as "ammo"?
I'm sorry for growing up in a family where Sex wasn't demonized.
I saw naked Women on my Dads desktop (it was the art stuff like the Birth of Venus and other stuff) all the time.
My dad is very much a feminist, he doesn't like a whole lot of sexualized stuff so I take a lot of his opinions and stuff on the matter seriously.
Just because I bought a video game like that means I don't understand it?
What is wrong with you man?
Also, that is one thing. And maybe if you did some research on the game and it's story, you would understand it's not Sexist. Over sexualized yes, but sexualization isn't sexism.[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's the whole point.
Of course using big anime boobies and little girls in skimpy clothing to sell a game to perpetually horny teenage boys is sexism.
Just like the Bikini issue of Sports Illustrated.
Because it twists and reduces the public image of women to a tool of marketing
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007267]I'm not the one who doesn't see the objectification that goes along with a reduction to sex(not to mention the cheap marketing tactics pandering to you teenagers full of hormones) is sexist.
I'm just not ready to have more of those useless debates where we fling sources and "strawman strawman STRAWMAN!" around and end up in meta discussion.
I'm not ready to ennoble the opinion of Rangegxi who certainly has a reputation on facepunch.
I'm tired of this.[/QUOTE]
Then don't start it in the first place or respond if your only response is a belittling "lol you have a reputation and aren't worth arguing with."
Truly if rangegxi is a lost cause or what have, be the mature one and don't start the shit show in the first place or feed it with a response like that. I mean seriously?
Grow
The
Fuck
Up.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007267]I'm not the one who doesn't see the objectification that goes along with a reduction to sex(not to mention the cheap marketing tactics pandering to you teenagers full of hormones) is sexist.
I'm just not ready to have more of those useless debates where we fling sources and "strawman strawman STRAWMAN!" around and end up in meta discussion.
I'm not ready to ennoble the opinion of Rangegxi who certainly has a reputation on facepunch.
I'm tired of this.[/QUOTE]
Who the fuck are you to talk about someone elses reputation on facepunch dude.
if you want to play that game Mr "Voted WORST Gold Member 2012" then I can to
it's unfair to do that. You and everyone else has no right. Unless the person we're talking about is genuinely awful enough to deserve it it's not cool.
Not gonna lie, I was expecting another Sargon or Thunderf00t video that I could add to my ignore list but this was refreshing. The burns though.
[QUOTE]I'll link to the UN report down below, it's in my C drive[/QUOTE]
the video is nice but isnt anita a paid sockpuppet for mcintosh so theres not much point in asking her to stop?
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007267]I'm not the one who doesn't see the objectification that goes along with a reduction to sex(not to mention the cheap marketing tactics pandering to you teenagers full of hormones) is sexist.
I'm just not ready to have more of those useless debates where we fling sources and "strawman strawman STRAWMAN!" around and end up in meta discussion.
I'm not ready to ennoble the opinion of Rangegxi who certainly has a reputation on facepunch.
I'm tired of this.[/QUOTE]
So, objectifying women and simplifying female characters to being merely fan service and clearly just eye candy is somehow sexist? Do you think that because there are games where women are portrayed like that is really hurting anyone? Or that people will think of women as sex objects because they saw some random MMO chick in cute slutty armor? ah?
As a counterpoint, I'm gay and I see tons of gay men portrayed in videogames and movies as just "Generic character that wouldn't even be mentioned if he didn't like dick" and that's FINE because there are people who [I]want[/I] that kind of character to exist, it's just another resource.
I don't think ANYONE will think of me as a cliché or anything else but what I am because the media portrayal of gay men is mostly poorly executed.
[QUOTE=Eonart;49007283]You chose Senran Kagura 2, where well written character development is actually one of its strong points people recommend it for and where they decided to add a male playable character (that can get his clothes torn off like everyone else) just to appease females who wanted to play the game for its semi-decent gameplay.
[editline]29th October 2015[/editline]
Sex is legal, ripping people limb from limb is illegal, guess which one is allowed in video games!
Both should be allowed because it's fucking video games.[/QUOTE]
Dude.
YOu are so deep into this, you are really trying to tell me that a game with promo pics like
[img]http://images.nintendolife.com/news/2015/08/senran_kagura_2_deep_crimson_collectors_edition_unboxing/attachment/0/630x.jpg[/img]
And
[img]https://senrankagura2.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/3DS-Cover-New-Logo_v9.jpg[/img]
has
[quote]well written character development is actually one of its strong points [/quote]
????
[editline]29th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Tsanummy;49007299]So, objectifying women and simplifying female characters to being merely fan service and clearly just eye candy is somehow sexist? [/QUOTE]
Yes.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007303]Dude.
YOu are so deep into this, you are really trying to tell me that a game with promo pics like
[url]http://images.nintendolife.com/news/2015/08/senran_kagura_2_deep_crimson_collectors_edition_unboxing/attachment/0/630x.jpg[/url]
And
[url]https://senrankagura2.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/3DS-Cover-New-Logo_v9.jpg[/url]
has
????
[/QUOTE]
Are there any reasons why those two things have to be exclusive?
oh my god what have I done
[editline]29th October 2015[/editline]
I've created a monster
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007303]Dude.
YOu are so deep into this, you are really trying to tell me that a game with promo pics like
[img]http://images.nintendolife.com/news/2015/08/senran_kagura_2_deep_crimson_collectors_edition_unboxing/attachment/0/630x.jpg[/img]
And
[img]https://senrankagura2.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/3DS-Cover-New-Logo_v9.jpg[/img]
has
????[/QUOTE]
And what about this design makes it impossible for the game to feature character development? Sure it certainly doesn't look like it's the focus, but what makes the two mutually exclusive?
[QUOTE=J!NX;49007265]
sexism against men and sexism against women don't mutually cancel each other out you know.
or maybe objectification is a better word in all of this.[/QUOTE]
Sex is not sexist.
Objectification as an idea to be concerned about is complete and utter nonsense with no basis in reality.
[QUOTE=Luni;49007292]the video is nice but isnt anita a paid sockpuppet for mcintosh so theres not much point in asking her to stop?[/QUOTE]
That's the running theory, it seems clear at this point that Anita is in it for the money and fame. If there's a real mind behind all this it's Mcintosh, who could do it himself on the retarded basis that a man can't be a feminist catering to Anita's audience.
[QUOTE=J!NX;49006856]the worst up thing about sexism in video games is that I've honestly never... actually seen any real hardcore feminism in, well, almost ANY of the hundreds of games I've played
I mean, yeah, some games have sexism, some games are nothing BUT sexist, but [b]it's very minimal in the western market.[/b] Its there but I see tons of examples of strong powerful women in games, like Yennefer, or Ciri, Jade Aldemir, Alyx Vance, Chell, and, tons more. And like I said, sexism does exist, but it just isn't nearly as common at Anita constantly tries to parade.
[B]Eastern/Japanese games[/B] however seem to be the only market actually teeming with feminism. there are a huge number of games with senseless amounts of tits and cleavage, and women in unnervingly skimpy outfits.[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding me? I can easily counter that. That stuff's looked down upon by pretty much everybody who isn't that kind of otaku here, and I could really say the same about any other country (maybe not otaku but you get the point). Not even I like that stuff. Stop generalizing, please.
[video=youtube;noY-Sd0DZqM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noY-Sd0DZqM[/video]
RIP in piss sweet princess
[QUOTE=Tsanummy;49007299]So, objectifying women and simplifying female characters to being merely fan service and clearly just eye candy is somehow sexist?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007303]
Yes.[/QUOTE]
k den
everyone pack up
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007246]It's not uppon me to make you read the news[/QUOTE]
[url]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof[/url]
Yes, it is upon you to provide some hard statistics. Mind you Xonax should also provide a bit of proof that there isn't either, but literally saying "I don't need to provide proof, go Google 'this thing' and see what I mean!!!" is a pretty damn stupid move.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007279]Yeah that's the whole point.
Of course using big anime boobies and little girls in skimpy clothing to sell a game to perpetually horny teenage boys is sexism.
Just like the Bikini issue of Sports Illustrated.
Because it twists and reduces the public image of women to a tool of marketing[/QUOTE]
Uh....it doesn't.
If it did, then the same thing can be said for clothes marketing, as they have women in Bikini's and Bra's with no other clothes on except for panties.
Also what about the male equivalents?
Oh and do you even know what sexism is? It's where you discriminate the Sex.
Last time I checked, they weren't discriminating the Sex. Just because it shows more skin, doesn't make it sexist.
If that was in fact the case, Clothes Stores would be sexist as they show more skin than my game promo art.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007303]Dude.
YOu are so deep into this, you are really trying to tell me that a game with promo pics like
[img]http://images.nintedolife.com/news/2015/08/senran_kagura_2_deep_crimson_collectors_edition_unboxing/attachment/0/630x.jpg[/img]
And
[img]https://senrankagra2.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/3DS-Cover-New-Logo_v9.jpg[/img]
has
????
[editline]29th October 2015[/editline]
Yes.[/QUOTE]
How about you play the fucking game?
You don't judge the book by it's cover, why would you judge the game by it's cover?
Those are promo pictures, the game isn't just tiddies 24/7. It has a great story about Good and Evil Enemies, becoming friends and actually helping each other achieve their goals (which is to be the Good Shinobi and the Evil Shinobi), and they all become Friends.
[editline]29th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;49007343][url]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof[/url]
Yes, it is upon you to provide some hard statistics. Mind you Xonax should also provide a bit of proof that there isn't either, but literally saying "I don't need to provide proof, go Google 'this thing' and see what I mean!!!" is a pretty damn stupid move.[/QUOTE]
If someone wants proof then you can ask me for proof, as I don't know what proof you need if you don't say it.
[QUOTE=Xonax;49007351]Uh....it doesn't.
If it did, then the same thing can be said for clothes marketing, as they have women in Bikini's and Bra's with no other clothes on except for panties.
Also what about the male equivalents?
Oh and do you even know what sexism is? It's where you discriminate the Sex.
Last time I checked, they weren't discriminating the Sex. Just because it shows more skin, doesn't make it sexist.
If that was in fact the case, Clothes Stores would be sexist as they show more skin than my game promo art.
How about you play the fucking game?
You don't judge the book by it's cover, why would you judge the game by it's cover?
Those are promo pictures, the game isn't just tiddies 24/7. It has a great story about Good and Evil Enemies, becoming friends and actually helping each other achieve their goals (which is to be the Good Shinobi and the Evil Shinobi), and they all become Friends.
[editline]29th October 2015[/editline]
If someone wants proof then you can ask me for proof, as I don't know what proof you need if you don't say it.[/QUOTE]
No, you're just a shitlord that probably fantasizes of raping women in the bus. You won't convince me!!
Seriously, he has already stated his position and the one that is "so deep into this" is himself, so let him be
[QUOTE=daigennki;49007331]Are you kidding me? I can easily counter that. That stuff's looked down upon by pretty much everybody who isn't that kind of otaku here, and I could really say the same about any other country (maybe not otaku but you get the point). Not even I like that stuff. Stop generalizing, please.[/QUOTE]
I suppose it's a complete cultural misunderstanding on my part
the western market glorifies shit in a completely different way than eastern markets do, so it's hard to understand the differences between them.
mgs5's "[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JFdlgV6EEQ"]quiet[/URL]" is absolutely a fair example of unneeded over-sexualization. I don't see this from western markets in the same way. But that's one example.
"...then that should be proof that it's not the most stable philosophical structure to apply to video games... sorry, sociological structure. Philosophy is real."
:godzing:
[QUOTE=Luni;49007292]the video is nice but isnt anita a paid sockpuppet for mcintosh so theres not much point in asking her to stop?[/QUOTE]
Yeah but if the video was "McIntosh, fucking quit it", people would be like, who's that? Anita is his fursuit in public.
[QUOTE=Eonart;49007369]Honestly if it weren't for the beat-em-up gameplay and writing I would have probably skipped out on the game, not everyone is a perverted idiot that buys things that make him go OOOAAAH YYEEEEHH BIG TTATTIES BABY WE'RE SAPANKING THE MEAT TONGHIT.
The tits are a nice bonus though,[B] but I could just get tits of the internet[/B] from porn stars that enjoy the idea of people jerking off to them.[/QUOTE]
Well, that's not entirely true, there's an special excitement about sexualizing non-sexual characters, or at least characters that tease it but are never really involved in a full sexual experience. That's why we have so much rule34
My point being, I think it's natural for us to sexualize stuff because we evolved to think that way, so there shouldn't be a problem with videogame characters that tease the player or just try to replicate that [I]arousing[/I] experience
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007101]Sweet Avatar by the way[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007183]I know. I've known since 2013. March.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007267]
I'm not ready to ennoble the opinion of Rangegxi who certainly has a reputation on facepunch.[/QUOTE]
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Who the flying fuck is Anita
[QUOTE=Tsanummy;49007388]Well, that's not entirely true, there's an special excitement about sexualizing non-sexual characters, or at least characters that tease it but are never really involved in a full sexual experience. That's why we have so much rule34
My point being, I think it's natural for us to sexualize stuff because we evolved to think that way, so there shouldn't be a problem with videogame characters that tease the player or just try to replicate that [I]arousing[/I] experience[/QUOTE]
>there's an special excitement about sexualizing non-sexual characters
loli comes to mind
I don't even know whats going on any more help
[QUOTE=Xonax;49007232]I'm not. I don't see women in Asian games being discriminated against.
And if Sexism is a problem in Asia, surely I would have read some stuff about it from the media right?
If it's that bad I mean.[/QUOTE]
Not to play devils avocado but, as an example, India has quite the rape problem..
That's all I'm really going to get into it here, it's a problem for a few nations due to patriarchal traditionalism and a disconnect between their cultural ideology and western-centeric human rights ideology. That's not to say either side is wrong based solely on their geographical positioning, plenty of Western countries have huge sexism problems too. But that doesn't discredit the fact that yes, technically there is a sexism problem in some Asian cultures.
[QUOTE=Tsanummy;49007388]Well, that's not entirely true, there's an special excitement about sexualizing non-sexual characters, or at least characters that tease it but are never really involved in a full sexual experience. That's why we have so much rule34
My point being, I think it's natural for us to sexualize stuff because we evolved to think that way, so there shouldn't be a problem with videogame characters that tease the player or just try to replicate that [I]arousing[/I] experience[/QUOTE]
usually when I'm playing a game I don't want to think about how much I want to fuck every character on the screen as they moan sexually every time they hit something (Hyperbole)
as a gay man I would despise it if every time a specific male character was on screen they would moan and dance sexually on screen
or if I'm playing a super hero game every character looked like this
[t]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--_QPH49ld--/186c65znwnfxsjpg.jpg[/t]
even just that doesn't really have a point
if I want 'almost porn' I'll look for it
[QUOTE=Xonax;49007351]How about you play the fucking game?
You don't judge the book by it's cover, why would you judge the game by it's cover?
Those are promo pictures, the game isn't just tiddies 24/7. It has a great story about Good and Evil Enemies, becoming friends and actually helping each other achieve their goals (which is to be the Good Shinobi and the Evil Shinobi), and they all become Friends.[/QUOTE]
This sounds more like a feelgood kids show than a great story.
[QUOTE=draugur;49007439]Not to play devils avocado but, as an example, India has quite the rape problem..
That's all I'm really going to get into it here, it's a problem for a few nations due to patriarchal traditionalism and a disconnect between their cultural ideology and western-centeric human rights ideology. That's not to say either side is wrong based solely on their geographical positioning, plenty of Western countries have huge sexism problems too. But that doesn't discredit the fact that yes, technically there is a sexism problem in some Asian cultures.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't saying they don't have a sexism problem, I was saying that it problem isn't as bad as people here are making it out to be. Tho I do tend to exaggerate.
[QUOTE=Luxuria;49007458]This sounds more like a feelgood kids show than a great story.[/QUOTE]
It's simple but cute, I like it.
[editline]29th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Luxuria;49007458]This sounds more like a feelgood kids show than a great story.[/QUOTE]
Also, some of the backstories for some characters are actually quite depressing.
[sp]Mirai for example was extremely bullied as a kid, and Haruka was used as a "doll" by her mother. She would dress her up all the time and let her be nothing but that. And Yomi comes from a poor childhood, no money, no food.[/sp]
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