The problem is that, by striking first, Anita (Full Mc by proxy) and pals get to control the narrative. Anything gamers or publishers/developers/the industry at large do in response will be seen as reactive and defensive or outright damning.
If a group of women developers (self-identified feminists or not) stand up and challenge Anita's narrative, their motives will immediately be questioned and they'll be criticized as being puppets that the MEN have trotted out to parrot their views. And, of course, if men stand up and criticize her, they're just being sexist pigs AS EXPECTED.
This is practically word for word out of the Evil Overlord Handbook. That she's probably made more money between that 2012 Kickstarter and now than I have in my entire honest working life while riding McIntosh's selfish charade over the faces of basically all other men ever is just the lemon juice in the wound.
I can't even get mad anymore. I just want her to stop and go away. The world will literally be better for both sides of the room when she stops appearing in the media.
[QUOTE=J!NX;49007367]I suppose it's a complete cultural misunderstanding on my part
the western market glorifies shit in a completely different way than eastern markets do, so it's hard to understand the differences between them.
mgs5's "[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JFdlgV6EEQ"]quiet[/URL]" is absolutely a fair example of unneeded over-sexualization. I don't see this from western markets in the same way. But that's one example.[/QUOTE]
Crap example. The MGS series is designed to appeal to a western audience, only Peace Walker was designed with asia in mind, and that game actually had some really damn strong females. (But if you're a pedophile they were kinda sexy too)
[QUOTE=Zondac;49007493]Crap example. The MGS series is designed to appeal to a western audience, only Peace Walker was designed with asia in mind, and that game actually had some really damn strong females. (But if you're a pedophile they were kinda sexy too)[/QUOTE]
I would make a le funny witty retort with dead or alive 5 but that game has DLC that does exactly the same thing with males as it does with females so fuck it, I have no ammo
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49007492]The problem is that, by striking first, Anita (Full Mc by proxy) and pals get to control the narrative. Anything gamers or publishers/developers/the industry at large do in response will be seen as reactive and defensive or outright damning.
If a group of women developers (self-identified feminists or not) stand up and challenge Anita's narrative, their motives will immediately be questioned and they'll be criticized as being puppets that the MEN have trotted out to parrot their views. And, of course, if men stand up and criticize her, they're just being sexist pigs AS EXPECTED.
This is practically word for word out of the Evil Overlord Handbook. That she's probably made more money between that 2012 Kickstarter and now than I have in my entire honest working life while riding McIntosh's selfish charade over the faces of basically all other men ever is just the lemon juice in the wound.
I can't even get mad anymore. I just want her to stop and go away. The world will literally be better for both sides of the room when she stops appearing in the media.[/QUOTE]
as said before, Anita is a successful troll
[t]http://img12.deviantart.net/104e/i/2015/083/2/9/anita_sarkeesian_caricature_wip_by_heavyarmorhellfire-d8my0ug.jpg[/t]
she won. She has the media on a string.
[QUOTE=J!NX;49007512]I would make a le funny witty retort with dead or alive 5 but that game has DLC that does exactly the same thing with males as it does with females so fuck it, I have no ammo[/QUOTE]
You could use the upcoming DoA volleyball game?
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007303]Dude.
YOu are so deep into this, you are really trying to tell me that a game with promo pics like
[img]http://images.nintendolife.com/news/2015/08/senran_kagura_2_deep_crimson_collectors_edition_unboxing/attachment/0/630x.jpg[/img]
And
[img]https://senrankagura2.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/3DS-Cover-New-Logo_v9.jpg[/img]
has
[QUOTE]well written character development is actually one of its strong points[/QUOTE]
????
[/QUOTE]
You are judging a book by it's cover. Do you not see anything wrong with that?
[QUOTE=J!NX;49007456]usually when I'm playing a game I don't want to think about how much I want to fuck every character on the screen as they moan sexually every time they hit something (Hyperbole)
as a gay man I would despise it if every time a specific male character was on screen they would moan and dance sexually on screen
or if I'm playing a super hero game every character looked like this
[t]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--_QPH49ld--/186c65znwnfxsjpg.jpg[/t]
even just that doesn't really have a point
if I want 'almost porn' I'll look for it[/QUOTE]
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
As a gay male myself I don't really think of sex when I'm playing videogames, but maybe if I'm watching anime or a series and a male character is put on the sexual spotlight I do sexualize the guy and I don't think that's a bad thing, I don't think it should be stopped.
But hey, I wouldn't mind more good games that I enjoy playing that ALSO have (gay) sexual content, that'd be cool as fuck, and if I was 15-18 it'd be fucking awesome :smug:
look at this 2d image of anime girls having sex, it proves the ENTIRE continent is sexist!!
I don't understand the obsession with sexism and misogyny and all that shit when there are wars going on and people starving in more than half of the world. It's a lesser-issue, in my opinion.
Just sayin'.
Also, Anita got wrecked.
i wanna bang Margaret
is that sexist
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49007633]i wanna bang Margaret
is that sexist[/QUOTE]
I'll see you in Hell.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007183]I know. I've known since 2013. March.[/QUOTE]
This comment is so undeniably edgy.
[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;49007533]You are judging a book by it's cover. Do you not see anything wrong with that?[/QUOTE]
I am not. Of course the add campaigns are just exemplary.
Are you expecting me to do a full 30minute review of the game to prove that it's full of tits and sexualized teenage looking girls ?
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007671]I am not. Of course the add campaigns are just exemplary.
Are you expecting me to do a full 30minute review of the game to prove that it's full of tits and sexualized teenage looking girls ?[/QUOTE]
Who cares about a single game though?
And even if I was and the game is a masterpiece of character development and actually not pandering to horny teenage boys the fact that they chose to use tits and skimpy clothing for the covers, add campaigns and all of that stuff still proves the point.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007671]I am not. Of course the add campaigns are just exemplary.
Are you expecting me to do a full 30minute review of the game to prove that it's full of tits and sexualized teenage looking girls ?[/QUOTE]
That isn't what you said at all, you doubted that the game had an engaging story just because of tits on the promo. Of course the game has tits, the cover shows that. But you were responding to my statement that the game had a good story and doubted me by showing pictures of the Promo and Cover for the game.
[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;49007675]Who cares about a single game though?[/QUOTE]
It's exemplary of the whole industry. Of course that one single game is not the whole point, did you not read the thread?
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007681]And even if I was and the game is a masterpiece of character development and actually not pandering to horny teenage boys the fact that they chose to use tits and skimpy clothing for the covers, add campaigns and all of that stuff still proves the point.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't, since it's not Sexist. The game isn't discriminating Women or Males in any way at all.
[QUOTE=Xonax;49007686]It doesn't, since it's not Sexist. The game isn't discriminating Women or Males in any way at all.[/QUOTE]
Except of using tits and sexy teenage girls to sell????
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007692]Except of using tits and sexy teenage girls to sell????[/QUOTE]
That is how media sells pretty much everything.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007692]Except of using tits and sexy teenage girls to sell????[/QUOTE]
How is that sexist though?
[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;49007706]How is that sexist though?[/QUOTE]
sexy things will make your penis fall off because it is sinful
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007685]It's exemplary of the whole industry. Of course that one single game is not the whole point, did you not read the thread?[/QUOTE]
Sexist =/= Sexualized.
Just like sex may refer to either gender or the verb. They have two different meaning and you're mixing them up. Men are ALSO sexualized in games, but that does not mean it's sexist.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007692]Except of using tits and sexy teenage girls to sell????[/QUOTE]
Killuah, it is time to stop
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49007643]I mean there is a mission where you have to attempt to woo and fuck a 16 yo.
[sp]tho shes actually 30 guys[/sp][/QUOTE]
Yeah but she's also the best [sp]double spy[/sp] in the game, and you also attempt to woo and fuck Kaz in the mission after, often ending up in a love box with him. It's only sexist if it only goes one way, if it's just sexualized it's just that.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007692]Except of using tits and sexy teenage girls to sell????[/QUOTE]
japan doesnt have a 'sexualising women' problem anymore than it has a problem sexualising literally anything else
are u aware that it sexualizes men (especially gay ones) equally. there is an entire genre dedicated to the depiction of sexualised gay men.
japan has a 'problem' sexualizing everything, and whether or not it's a problem really depends on your perspective
[editline]29th October 2015[/editline]
i am of the opinion that sex is healthy and normal and sexualising human beings is not a problem at all in its proper environment
Another nice reminder that people like Killuah actually exist.
[QUOTE=Zondac;49007735]Yeah but she's also the best [sp]double spy[/sp] in the game, and you also attempt to woo and fuck Kaz in the mission after, often ending up in a love box with him. It's only sexist if it only goes one way, if it's just sexualized it's just that.[/QUOTE]
just to note, I haven't seen ANY images of men in mgs5 dancing in the rain all sexually while half naked while the camera zooms in randomly
[editline]29th October 2015[/editline]
[video=youtube;87YXRvfMDlM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87YXRvfMDlM[/video]
wait
[QUOTE=J!NX;49007797]just to note, I haven't seen ANY images of men in mgs5 dancing in the rain all sexually while half naked while the camera zooms in randomly[/QUOTE]
And MGS5 is even more than the rest of the series, designed for a western audience.
The main character is fucking Jack Bauer
[QUOTE=J!NX;49007797]just to note, I haven't seen ANY images of men in mgs5 dancing in the rain all sexually while half naked while the camera zooms in randomly
[editline]29th October 2015[/editline]
[video=youtube;87YXRvfMDlM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87YXRvfMDlM[/video]
wait[/QUOTE]
Well, you do spend the first 30 minutes of the game staring deeply into another man's ass.
[QUOTE=Water-Marine;49007822]Well, you do spend the first 30 minutes of the game staring deeply into another man's ass.[/QUOTE]
you man that isn't already the entire game series?
[t]http://www.twinfinite.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Snake_ass.jpg[/t]
[editline]29th October 2015[/editline]
there are two things, and two things alone I know about MG
1. Sneaking.
2. Ass.
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