Anita, it is time to stop - General

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49018887]i personally have little problem with what anita says since knowing her history of working with scam PUA speakers I know that she probably doesn't care at all about her message and is only trying to get monetary gain from it. i'm fairly certain that she's just jonathan mcintosh's bullhorn[/QUOTE] It's easy to look at how many times Anita has parroted McIntosh and conclude that he's the true mastermind, but what's keeping me skeptical is that if McIntosh is concerned with politics, then keeping Anita around has become a detriment to his cause. McIntosh has demonstrated he at least understands the potential use for skills like responsiveness, adaptability, and preparation. He's not good at any of those things, but he's aware of them. Anita seems to be consciously avoiding the need to use such skills by staying in controlled environments were people cannot or will not speak to her directly. She's also dependent on a controlled audience; if someone is not willing to accept everything she has to say right from the start, she won't get anywhere. That kind of behavior can certainly make money, but it limits one's ability to connect with different kinds of people. Meanwhile McIntosh has been getting into argument after argument, mostly with people he doesn't like, on Twitter of all places. As crazy as McIntosh may be he [I]still[/I] manages to be a slightly better activist than Anita. And if he's the one in charge he's got no reason to even keep Anita around, let alone allow her to speak on his behalf.

[QUOTE=J!NX;49019475] she doesn't even play video games[/QUOTE] and is yet an expert on videogames... [QUOTE=Primigenes;49019897]Because JoJo isnt sexualized. Araki draws from fashion shit from like New York and Italy. He just likes how they look because hes into fashion. This memetic JJBA is sexualized is annoying.[/QUOTE] Of course the before mentioned individual was a also a homosexual that sexualized the hell out of them...

[QUOTE=Primigenes;49019897]Because JoJo isnt sexualized. Araki draws from fashion shit from like New York and Italy. He just likes how they look because hes into fashion. This memetic JJBA is sexualized is annoying. Literally derives from a high fashion and poses are gay. Youd think when Araki draws various images for GUCCI and etc that hes in it for art purposes and not sexualized reasons. Even taking visits to NY JJBA being sexualiz ed is all confirmation bias Seriously I dont even understand how people dont know this when its constantly reiterated.[/QUOTE] either way, it has the same type of 'bodily exposure' that females may get in certain games in the game media of Japan, which I suppose was the original point of it being posted Equally as 'Sexual' I suppose? as a note, not trying to make any opinion or factual statements here

[QUOTE=mooman1080;49019551]Exactly. Like it not she has embedded her self in the industry and has real influence.[/QUOTE] pretty sad that people even recognize her at all considering everything politics absolutely have no right to dabble in video games, and video games, unless being used specifically to make a blunt political statement, have no reason to be in politics either [editline]31st October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Primigenes;49019937]Who cares if Milk and Cookie was a weirdo who sexualized them. There are people who sexualize cars. The point is the whole JJBA is sexaulized men is a misconception based on everyones perceptions of the fashion industry. Its such an ignorant thing to say especially when Araki is open as hell about his love of fashion.[/QUOTE] I suppose if you look at it subjectively a bit of titty / ass / abs are only as sexual as the viewer wants it to be, even if it's not meant to be sexual at all, I agree

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;49019740]And if he's the one in charge he's got no reason to even keep Anita around, let alone allow her to speak on his behalf.[/QUOTE] Except Anita's a reasonably-attractive female, and that's something McIntosh will never be. If a man stood up and said everything Anita says, controlled audience or not, there'd be practically zero traction, especially because of the giant white male guilt complex factor. But a "strong" "feminist" "critic" speaking out against that domain of [I]exclusively[/I] males*, video games? That got her worthless ass to the UN. It got her (and, as a result, McIntosh's emasculated backwards views) fucktons of media coverage and media money. *Fact provided by Feminist Frequency, LLC

[QUOTE=Primigenes;49019897]Because JoJo isnt sexualized. Araki draws from fashion shit from like New York and Italy. He just likes how they look because hes into fashion. This memetic JJBA is sexualized is annoying. Literally derives from a high fashion and poses are gay. Youd think when Araki draws various images for GUCCI and etc that hes in it for art purposes and not sexualized reasons. Even taking visits to NY JJBA being sexualiz ed is all confirmation bias Seriously I dont even understand how people dont know this when its constantly reiterated.[/QUOTE] [img]https://gyabbo.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/0131.jpg[/img] Yeah if JJBA isn't sexualized than neither is Bayonetta, after all the woman who designed her based her off fashion too right?

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;49020410] Yeah if JJBA isn't sexualized than neither is Bayonetta, after all the woman who designed her based her off fashion too right?[/QUOTE] *insert argument about muscle being a power fantasy and women not finding muscle sexy or something* Also Bayo isn't sexualized, unlike a lot of female characters, she is empowered.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;49020443]*insert argument about muscle being a power fantasy and women not finding muscle sexy or something* Also Bayo isn't sexualized, unlike a lot of female characters, she is empowered.[/QUOTE] Anyone who says Bayo isn't sexualized hasn't played Bayonetta. Being sexualized and being empowered aren't mutually exclusive.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;49020496]Anyone who says Bayo isn't sexualized hasn't played Bayonetta. Being sexualized and being empowered aren't mutually exclusive.[/QUOTE] Ok it's not sexualized in a negative way. I think it was obvious what I meant.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;49020496]Anyone who says Bayo isn't sexualized hasn't played Bayonetta. Being sexualized and being empowered aren't mutually exclusive.[/QUOTE] I wish people would understand that last part way more often. Belly dancers get shit on all the time. I, like them, want to express myself, including my sexuality, in a healthy, creative way. What's the problem?

anita and her fanbase (and that killuah guy) [t]http://i.imgur.com/K2L8DS3.png?1[/t]

[QUOTE=itisjuly;49020527]Ok it's not sexualized in a negative way. I think it was obvious what I meant.[/QUOTE] Why is the default for "sexualized" set to "negative" Somethings severely wrong if you have to say "she's sexulized, BUT NO NO IN A GOOD WAY" [editline]31st October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Helix Snake;49020496]Anyone who says Bayo isn't sexualized hasn't played Bayonetta. Being sexualized and being empowered aren't mutually exclusive.[/QUOTE] Bayonetta's sexualization is pretty much a gameplay feature.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49021103]Why is the default for "sexualized" set to "negative" Somethings severely wrong if you have to say "she's sexulized, BUT NO NO IN A GOOD WAY"[/QUOTE] Probably because we've not really had many decent characters that are both developed and sexy in media (mostly video games) until quite recently? A lot of sexualisation was (and in some cases can still be) used in place of actually developing interesting characters. And that's just lazy. If you're making something sexy for no other reason than making them sexy, it just seems juvenile. The character essentially exists for no other reason than to be ogled, rather than appreciated as a part of the story or as a interesting character they are instead just an object for you to stare at because "hey look at these titties". We are getting better at this shit, character development in video games in particular has come a long fucking way in a few years quite rapidly. Yeah there's still a lot of trash out there, there always will be. But we're seeing a lot less "boobs the size of Jupiter because we can't write" now, it'll take a while for the idea of sexualisation to default from "not super great" to "what a nice display of character design". We're starting to see a lot of characters that are both interesting and sexualised to some extent, with their actual character traits keeping your attention more than their looks. As people love to point out, Bayo is a fairly decent example of it happening.

[QUOTE=Penultimate;49020843]I wish people would understand that last part way more often. Belly dancers get shit on all the time. I, like them, want to express myself, including my sexuality, in a healthy, creative way. What's the problem?[/QUOTE] they're all a bunch of puritans, devoted to their own brand of.feminism instead of God.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;49019897]Because JoJo isnt sexualized. Araki draws from fashion shit from like New York and Italy. He just likes how they look because hes into fashion. This memetic JJBA is sexualized is annoying. Literally derives from a high fashion and poses are gay. Youd think when Araki draws various images for GUCCI and etc that hes in it for art purposes and not sexualized reasons. Even taking visits to NY JJBA being sexualiz ed is all confirmation bias Seriously I dont even understand how people dont know this when its constantly reiterated.[/QUOTE] lmao [t]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6b/d5/63/6bd563ed0647f9dd80d0b6ce598bc455.jpg[/t] High fashion is inherently sexual too ye fuck It's also pretty gay, but that's cuz most of the characters are male. Araki sexualizes everyone in his shit I'm a huge fuckoff jojo fan and I say oiled up abs are ok every now and then

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49021178] If you're making something sexy for no other reason than making them sexy, it just seems juvenile.[/QUOTE] It seems you like should grow up stop seeing sex as a bad thing. Whats bad about sexually appealing characters anyway? A good story doesn't require that characters be fat or ugly and when appealing to a male audience I see nothing wrong with using what men generally like. Games that appeal to women should do the exact same thing. Also, I pretty much never see games that use sex to replace good character development. At worse I've seen devs manufacture reasons to make a character sexy just to make an attempt at avoiding puritanical feminist criticism.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;49019897][b]Because JoJo isnt sexualized.[/b] Araki draws from fashion shit from like New York and Italy. He just likes how they look because hes into fashion. This memetic JJBA is sexualized is annoying. Literally derives from a high fashion and poses are gay. Youd think when Araki draws various images for GUCCI and etc that hes in it for art purposes and not sexualized reasons. Even taking visits to NY JJBA being sexualiz ed is all confirmation bias Seriously I dont even understand how people dont know this when its constantly reiterated.[/QUOTE] HA. HAHA. [editline]31st October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;49021178] If you're making something sexy for no other reason than making them sexy, it just seems juvenile.[/QUOTE] Why. [editline]31st October 2015[/editline] Do attractive people not exist where you are or something? I mean i see plenty in my day to day life.

seems really weird how we're considering things that are sexy just to be sexy as childish. are only kids allowed to appreciate sexuality for the sake of sexuality? [editline]31st October 2015[/editline] like i get how chainmail bikinis and random nudity is tasteless but i'd never say it is juvenile

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49021468]It seems you like should grow up stop seeing sex as a bad thing. Whats bad about sexually appealing characters anyway?[/QUOTE] Nothing is wrong with making sexually attractive characters, and I never implied such a thing. My criticism is of making characters that are literally just a walking perfect sexual being with no other development. Because it just isn't a good character. Developers giving reasons for the characters to be hyper-sexy demi-gods? Yeah whatever that shit can be fine, I fucking love the DMC series so I'd be lying if I said I can't stand games that do that (i was contemplating bringing up Quiet as what I've played of MGS 5 so far really half heartedly handwaved her reason, but I've not finished it so Kojima could still Kojima the fuck out of me before the end). But just having characters who are nothing but sexy is lazy, hack-tier character design at best. It's the character design equivalent of a fart joke as far as I care, lazy and uninspired, the kind of shit a 13 year old comes up with whilst spacing out in class. And like I said, we don't see it as much any more, because games have been evolving quite a bit and characterisation is becoming a much more important part of damn near every voiced character in a game. [editline]31st October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=AaronM202;49021477]Do attractive people not exist where you are or something? I mean i see plenty in my day to day life.[/QUOTE] Sure, but they don't look like physical perfection (oh that's a knee slapper that one, perfection in Norfolk, you'll be lucky if they have the right number of fingers).

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49021533]seems really weird how we're considering things that are sexy just to be sexy as childish. are only kids allowed to appreciate sexuality for the sake of sexuality? [editline]31st October 2015[/editline] like i get how chainmail bikinis and random nudity is tasteless but i'd never say it is juvenile[/QUOTE] i'll never stop hating impractical armour designs but that's because i'm a nerd, not a prude.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;49022334]All you did was post a picture and go "Well if jjba isnt sexualized then neither is bayonetta like i even give a fucj about your lame video game arguments. JJBA isnt sexualized. What you posted is literally taken from fashion cover poses. Im not even going to waste my time with this memetic garbage anymore. Its a style thing and your bias on high fashion doesnt change exactly what Araki is portraying Its not even arguing anything. God FP is like ninety nine percent people loving to bear themselves speak or something. Not to mention buff men in JJBA is a Fist of the North Star thing. Designs and style are fashion related. Posting a picture of goddamn characters posing like a vogue fashion cover and then going "lol gay" makes you look fucking stupid. Its a bunch of nerds using there damn misconceptions to argue for their shitty games whenever Japanese culture is involved. Idgaf about Bayonetta because im talking about JJBA and Araki has distinct western undertones for the entire series from the names of characters to the art. Like Berserk taking reference from HellRaiser. JJBA being the new meme anime doesnt make it so the bullshit you says becomes true[/QUOTE] Not sure where you seem to think people are saying "lol gay". They're just saying it's sexualised, which it is. Fashion IS often sexualised. Fashion and sexualisation aren't mutually exclusive.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;49022334]Posting a picture of goddamn characters posing like a vogue fashion cover and then going "lol gay" makes you look fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] you're the only one saying this as though sexualization is a bad thing. and to say that because it is taken from fashion it has no elements of sexualization doesn't jive with me. fashion has elements of sexualization to it and there is absolutely nothing wrong with admitting that.

You're literally sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "IM RIGHT I DONT HAVE TO LISTEN TO ANYONE" while bitching about how anyone here "just likes to hear themselves talk". I mean the level of blatant hypocrisy alone is enough to discount you and anything you say, let alone how flimsy and subjective your arguments really are. God damn kiddo.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;49022334]All you did was post a picture and go "Well if jjba isnt sexualized then neither is bayonetta like i even give a fucj about your lame video game arguments. JJBA isnt sexualized. What you posted is literally taken from fashion cover poses. Im not even going to waste my time with this memetic garbage anymore. Its a style thing and your bias on high fashion doesnt change exactly what Araki is portraying Its not even arguing anything. God FP is like ninety nine percent people loving to bear themselves speak or something. Not to mention buff men in JJBA is a Fist of the North Star thing. Designs and style are fashion related. Posting a picture of goddamn characters posing like a vogue fashion cover and then going "lol gay" makes you look fucking stupid. Its a bunch of nerds using there damn misconceptions to argue for their shitty games whenever Japanese culture is involved. Idgaf about Bayonetta because im talking about JJBA and Araki has distinct western undertones for the entire series from the names of characters to the art. Like Berserk taking reference from HellRaiser. JJBA being the new meme anime doesnt make it so the bullshit you says becomes true[/QUOTE] Bruh. Are you fucking serious. Like i cant even come up with a counter argument because what you said is literally just going "NUH UH SHADDUP MOOOMMMMM" [editline]31st October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49023014]You're literally sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "IM RIGHT I DONT HAVE TO LISTEN TO ANYONE" while bitching about how anyone here "just likes to hear themselves talk". I mean the level of blatant hypocrisy alone is enough to discount you and anything you say, let alone how flimsy and subjective your arguments really are. God damn kiddo.[/QUOTE] Hey fucker stop reading my mind.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;49022888]Not even going to waste my time with people trying to shill their garbage for their lame video game x feminist arguments while circlejerking some stupid video. Lol at fashion and sexualization are tied together just to support shitty arguments. Despite that not proving jojo is sexualized or not especially when its style is attributed to several things. Good thing jojo is like this And not just cover poses with high fashion esque dressing because Araki thinks thats cool along with him naming stands after bands. Funny since most of the characters in JJBA that are sexualized arent even men but females even more so when Araki has started drawing even more of them and has actually had them in outright sexual situations as opposed to his male characters modeled after Clint Eastwood and other shit he likes. Well whatever I guess Araki is the one making shit sexual(sexualized) and not you because you subscribe to popular belief that high fashion is feminine or gay. Arguing with nerds is a waste of time Aldo nice job going "sexualization isnt bad so concur with me" I dont give three fucks if its bad or not. If its not happening then its not happening[/QUOTE] With all the homo-eroticism and big buff pretty boys with revealing tight fitting clothing in Battle Tendency, you've got to be lying to yourself if you think it wasn't somewhat sexualized. Also, you're the one disregarding everyone else and writing paragraphs about it, yet it's everyone else who just loves to hear themselves talk? Yeah, ok buddy.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;49022888]Not even going to waste my time with people trying to shill their garbage for their lame video game x feminist arguments while circlejerking some stupid video. Lol at fashion and sexualization are tied together just to support shitty arguments. Despite that not proving jojo is sexualized or not especially when its style is attributed to several things. Good thing jojo is like this[IMG]https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1431097380r/14791641._SY540_.jpg[/IMG]And not just cover poses with high fashion esque dressing because Araki thinks thats cool along with him naming stands after bands. Funny since most of the characters in JJBA that are sexualized arent even men but females even more so when Araki has started drawing even more of them and has actually had them in outright sexual situations as opposed to his male characters modeled after Clint Eastwood and other shit he likes. Well whatever I guess Araki is the one making shit sexual(sexualized) and not you because you subscribe to popular belief that high fashion is feminine or gay. Arguing with nerds is a waste of time Aldo nice job going "sexualization isnt bad so concur with me" I dont give three fucks if its bad or not. If its not happening then its not happening[/QUOTE] Dude you replied to an image on the previous page of three hulking oiled nearly bare ass naked men in g-strings and feathers sticking their asses and abs out. What you're saying right now is if i replaced them with women, same poses, same outfits, it wouldnt be sexual. Bruh. [editline]31st October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Jacen;49023045]With all the homo-eroticism and big buff pretty boys with revealing tight fitting clothing in Battle Tendency, you've got to be lying to yourself if you think it wasn't somewhat sexualized.[/QUOTE] Plus it seems he only knows about Parts 1 through 3. And apparently doesnt know that Araki started drawing more effeminate, thin men. In fact, its only gotten gayer over the years.

Primigenes, it's time to stop.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;49023050] Plus it seems he only knows about Parts 1 through 3. And apparently doesnt know that Araki started drawing more effeminate, thin men. In fact, its only gotten gayer over the years.[/QUOTE] Gio literally has a boob window and it's fucking fabulous.

[QUOTE=Jacen;49023045]With all the homo-eroticism and big buff pretty boys with revealing tight fitting clothing in Battle Tendency, you've got to be lying to yourself if you think it wasn't somewhat sexualized. Also, you're the one disregarding everyone else and writing paragraphs about it, yet it's everyone else who just loves to hear themselves talk? Yeah, ok buddy.[/QUOTE] Two big buff guys literally stick "wedding rings of death" to the main character that can't be taken off and he's gotta' fight them in a month or he'll die, and JoJo makes a comment about Bigamism. Yeah, totally no homoeroticism related humor there.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;49023050]Dude you replied to an image on the previous page of three hulking oiled nearly bare ass naked men in g-strings and feathers sticking their asses and abs out. What you're saying right now is if i replaced them with women, same poses, same outfits, it wouldnt be sexual. Bruh. [editline]31st October 2015[/editline] Plus it seems he only knows about Parts 1 through 3. And apparently doesnt know that Araki started drawing more effeminate, thin men. In fact, its only gotten gayer over the years.[/QUOTE] This is the guy who knows more about X-Men than Chris Claremont, remember.