Homeopathy doesn't do shit, why do doctors prescribe it? - General

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30720731]The fact that you think herbal and homeopathic medicines are the same thing disqualifies you from commenting on them whatsoever [h2]EVERYONE READ THIS:[/h2] Herbal medicine: Medicines that use herbs/plants/natural stuff. Often works as well as synthetic drugs, or better. Can react dangerously with other medication. It's the real deal. Homeopathic remedies: Water. Homeopaths believe that the more you dilute a substance, the more potent it becomes because water has a "memory". A drop of medicine in the ocean followed by drinking a glass of water from the ocean will give you more actual medicine than homeopathic remedies will.[/QUOTE] brb selling jars of stinky sea water.

Chinese herbal medicine usually works pretty well.

Because placebos, even if they don't do anything, can still be helpful for patients.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;30734911]Because placebos, even if they don't do anything, can still be helpful for patients.[/QUOTE] Yeah except then you can just give them placebos instead of creating a fake science just to induce the placebo effect.

[QUOTE=fenwick;30728401]I made a thread about this a while ago. My aunt "prescribes" homeopathic "medicine" :airquote: to people for a living. Why people think it works is beyond me. It doesn't show any results compared to placebo, let alone does it make logical sense.[/QUOTE] Easy job. [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=credesniper;30728787]Quoting one of my favorite poems. Some of them work, some don't.[/QUOTE] No. Homeopathic medicine is always just water.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;30734959]Yeah except then you can just give them placebos instead of creating a fake science just to induce the placebo effect.[/QUOTE] A whole science is more convincing, though.

[QUOTE=coco911231;30734175]brb selling jars of stinky sea water.[/QUOTE] Not even stinky sea water, nothing but 100% pure water.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;30734959]Yeah except then you can just give them placebos instead of creating a fake science just to induce the placebo effect.[/QUOTE] Ignoring the whole fact that applying some form of bullshit scientific credibility to it allows a select few assholes to make assloads of money off of misinforming people, having something to back up your claims, no matter how bullshit it is, does greatly help the placebo effect. So there's two reasons. One, it allows assholes to make money off of people's ignorance. Two, it allows for greater placebo effect due to certain people's ignorance. FYI I'm not saying it's right.

[QUOTE=Number-41;30718056]So yeah my biggest question is, why isn't there more criticism on doctors that prescribe homeopathy (and an outrageous amount do), and why does the licensing institution condone or at least tolerate this pseudoscience?[/QUOTE] Maybe your Physician wants you to just get the fuck out

[QUOTE=catbarf;30732618]That isn't homeopathy. Where are you people getting the idea that homeopathic medicine is anything that doesn't come in a pill or syrup?[/QUOTE] I think it's probably partly thanks to their PR skills. That and the fact that the media tend to report things that they don't understand anything about, so long as it's interesting (even if it isn't backed up by any real facts)

a fool and his money are soon parted

Homeopathic eye drops for pink eye have worked for me.

[QUOTE=lemongrapes;30726157]The only herbal medicine that really has any credibility is cannabis.[/QUOTE] I can't believe people actually say things like this.

a girl i know went to a eastern chiropractor once she came out having to wear a backbrace because the "chi in her uterus was off"

[QUOTE=lemongrapes;30726157]The only herbal medicine that really has any credibility is cannabis.[/QUOTE] i wish the "smarked" rating was on this forum

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;30735214]A whole science is more convincing, though.[/QUOTE] "Here take these they cure headaches." Misleading someone to produce the placebo effect does not require that you teach them to believe bullshit like homeopathy that's going to cause them to reject good science.

[QUOTE=lemongrapes;30726157]The only herbal medicine that really has any credibility is cannabis.[/QUOTE] A damn lot of herbal medicine has credibility. I mean real herbal medicine, not some crap they shove you for quick buck. After all quite a lot of medicine is made out of or based on different herbs. Not to mention herbal medicine is healthier than synthetic one.

I was once given Homoeopathy for depression when I was 8 years old. I think I could sense what bullshit that was even at the time. I've never quite forgiven my mother for that. I think she still believes in that shit to some extent.

[QUOTE=johan_sm;30737099]A damn lot of herbal medicine has credibility. I mean real herbal medicine, not some crap they shove you for quick buck. [/QUOTE]Yes. [QUOTE=johan_sm;30737099]After all quite a lot of medicine is made out of or based on different herbs.[/QUOTE]Yes. [QUOTE=johan_sm;30737099]Not to mention herbal medicine is healthier than synthetic one.[/QUOTE] Not really. Just because it comes from a plant doesn't automatically make it healthy.

[QUOTE=wlzshroom;30729203]it hast credibility as a nausea cure so that's why people who are going through chemo get pot lisences[/QUOTE] I wasn't denying that he was being an idiot saying that weed was the "only" herbal remedy that worked, which is plainly not the case [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=johan_sm;30737099]Not to mention herbal medicine is healthier than synthetic one.[/QUOTE] not really I'd rather have the active ingredient delivered via a biologically inert solvent or pill than alongside a bunch of other crap from the plant

Homeopathic [U]suicide[/U] pills. No seriously, [B]THEY WORK WHAT ARE YOU SAYING HERETIC[/B] [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bg1mSo7JQM&feature=related[/media]

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The less people who practice Homoeopathy, the more potent the effect.

[QUOTE=Number-41;30721225]Herbs do work, though there's an equal amount of misconceptions about them. The most common misconception is that people think it's natural so it doesn't have any negative side effects. This is just as dangerous or even more dangerous than homeopathy. On top of that, lots of these herbal medicines are being praised like they can cure anything, which is not true. And 25% of the "synthetic" medicines are also based on natural resources, just a lot more refined and controlled.[/QUOTE]A lot more than that. Nearly all modern medicine is derived from useful compounds discovered in plants. So theoretically, herbal medicine is just a simpler form of most medicines. In practice, however, it tends to get hijacked by quacks, all too often by homoeopaths.

I always wondered how people figured out what plants were good for treating what. Was it just thousands of years of trial and error, or does the brain subconsciously know what chemicals do what?

[QUOTE=Mingebox;30737900]I always wondered how people figured out what plants were good for treating what. Was it just thousands of years of trial and error, or does the brain subconsciously know what chemicals do what?[/QUOTE]I think it was just trial and error over tens of thousands of years. "Ugg died when he ate that, so ima stay clear of that" "Dugg got a massive erection when he ate that, so ima have some of that before going off into the cave with my missus" Over time, that got codified and improved on, sometimes taking on religious significance e.g. in the Bible.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;30737926]I think it was just trial and error over tens of thousands of years. "Ugg died when he ate that, so ima stay clear of that" "Dugg got a massive erection when he ate that, so ima have some of that before going off into the cave with my missus" Over time, that got codified and improved on, sometimes taking on religious significance e.g. in the Bible.[/QUOTE] I think I recall some animals doing similar things, such as eating clay to help treat poison. Besides, it seems unlike that people would be able to rell wether Dugg got better on his own, or which of that many things that Dugg was eating that could have helped. I think there's something else at work.

It fixed my milk allergy when I was a kid. Placebo? Maybe, but the normal meds failed to do so. If it's placebo which works better than real medicine, works for me.

I think it works, and sometimes when I would get strep throat I would prefer to use something natural rather than my immune system having to rely on the stuff the doctors give you and make it weaker and more dependent on anti biotics all the time.

[QUOTE=keatinator;30738164]I think it works, and sometimes when I would get strep throat I would prefer to use something natural rather than my immune system having to rely on the stuff the doctors give you and make it weaker and more dependent on anti biotics all the time.[/QUOTE] Yous mean natural stuff like this? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penicillium[/url]