Homeopathy doesn't do shit, why do doctors prescribe it? - General

I had asthma, which was supposed to threaten my life by age of 15 if I didn't start to daily inhale corcticoids (with known negative side effects), and then continue for rest of my life. I went to acupuncture for three years and occassionally take some herbal drops. Now I am 19 and even though I am no marathonian, I have no real problems with breathing and no need to deal with them anymore. If they fooled me and the problem fixed itself on it's own, despite predictions of doctors, I blew about I guess maximally $200 over course of years for nothing. If I didn't let them fool me, I would seriously weaken my kidneys for nothing by that time, and blast the money on corticoids anyway. If it did work, they sorta fixed a problem which was supposed to get worse and worse and stalled the process completely with treatment with no side effects. Fucking works for me.

I wonder how many people who voted "it works" were mixing it up with herbal medicine, how many were just being funny and how many actually believe that it works. I reckon we should get together and invent our own alternative medicine. We'll be rich, heartless bastards in a matter of weeks!

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30738266]I had asthma, which was supposed to threaten my life by age of 15 if I didn't start to daily inhale corcticoids (with known negative side effects), and then continue for rest of my life. I went to acupuncture for three years and occassionally take some herbal drops. Now I am 19 and even though I am no marathonian, I have no real problems with breathing and no need to deal with them anymore. If they fooled me and the problem fixed itself on it's own, despite predictions of doctors, I blew about I guess maximally $200 over course of years for nothing. If I didn't let them fool me, I would seriously weaken my kidneys for nothing by that time, and blast the money on corticoids anyway. If it did work, they sorta fixed a problem which was supposed to get worse and worse and stalled the process completely with treatment with no side effects. Fucking works for me.[/QUOTE] your body fixed its self by its self. end of.

What kind of doctors do you have where you live? Never heard of an actual doctor prescribing bullshit hippie "medicine". [B]Some[/B] herbs do work, but those work for lesser things (they won't cure illnesses, but they might help you prevent it to a small degree or be used as relaxant, I doubt you want to take Alprazolam for some measly pre-exam stress). Oh and the "but it's natural so it's good for you" is fucking retarded, makes me want to punch the mug of those that say that. It makes no fucking sense (to my knowledge we haven't ever CREATED new elements that didn't exist in this universe already, so tell me how the fuck those herbs are more natural than, well, just about anything?) and as OP said, go chew some Digitalis then. I did read somewhere that the EU was going to restrict imports of some herbs that are used as medicine (the ones that are pure bullshit) though. [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30738266]I had asthma, which was supposed to threaten my life by age of 15 if I didn't start to daily inhale corcticoids (with known negative side effects), and then continue for rest of my life. I went to acupuncture for three years and occassionally take some herbal drops. Now I am 19 and even though I am no marathonian, I have no real problems with breathing and no need to deal with them anymore. If they fooled me and the problem fixed itself on it's own, despite predictions of doctors, I blew about I guess maximally $200 over course of years for nothing. If I didn't let them fool me, I would seriously weaken my kidneys for nothing by that time, and blast the money on corticoids anyway. If it did work, they sorta fixed a problem which was supposed to get worse and worse and stalled the process completely with treatment with no side effects. Fucking works for me.[/QUOTE] The same way people visiting the Vatican are suddenly cured of all their illnesses. AKA either it was placebo conditioning your body to believe that it was cured (so you actually cured yourself), or that illness that went away 2 years after would have done the same even without that visit to the Vatican

If the proper treatment doesn't work, let them go and have homeopathic or other alternative treatments, it is their money. But you never ever prescribe homeopathy as the first thing to do. So I don't understand your doctor.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30738266]I had asthma, which was supposed to threaten my life by age of 15 if I didn't start to daily inhale corcticoids (with known negative side effects), and then continue for rest of my life. I went to acupuncture for three years and occassionally take some herbal drops. Now I am 19 and even though I am no marathonian, I have no real problems with breathing and no need to deal with them anymore. If they fooled me and the problem fixed itself on it's own, despite predictions of doctors, I blew about I guess maximally $200 over course of years for nothing. If I didn't let them fool me, I would seriously weaken my kidneys for nothing by that time, and blast the money on corticoids anyway. If it did work, they sorta fixed a problem which was supposed to get worse and worse and stalled the process completely with treatment with no side effects. Fucking works for me.[/QUOTE] Congratulations, you being a gullible fool actually worked in your favor for once.

Yeah and 10+ people voted that it works yet only 2 have posted in this thread, afraid to get shunned I guess :v:

ginseng: good to an extent

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30738266]I had asthma, which was supposed to threaten my life by age of 15 if I didn't start to daily inhale corcticoids (with known negative side effects), and then continue for rest of my life. I went to acupuncture for three years and occassionally take some herbal drops. Now I am 19 and even though I am no marathonian, I have no real problems with breathing and no need to deal with them anymore. If they fooled me and the problem fixed itself on it's own, despite predictions of doctors, I blew about I guess maximally $200 over course of years for nothing. If I didn't let them fool me, I would seriously weaken my kidneys for nothing by that time, and blast the money on corticoids anyway. If it did work, they sorta fixed a problem which was supposed to get worse and worse and stalled the process completely with treatment with no side effects. Fucking works for me.[/QUOTE] Acupuncture is probably real medicine though. The best explanation is that since you're damaging the skin, the body sends signals to repair the broken skin. If you happen to have say, a strained muscle, and the fact that it is strained wasn't sent to the brain, and suddenly it sees that you have a strained muscle, it'll be like: "Now that we're here, we might aswell repair that muscle." [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30738154]It fixed my milk allergy when I was a kid. Placebo? Maybe, but the normal meds failed to do so. If it's placebo which works better than real medicine, works for me.[/QUOTE] You do realise lactose intolerance is caused by a lack of the enzyme lactase and that can't be cured by drinking a magical potion, right?

[img]http://www.icmart.org/content/images/78e4f2f5cd7e62d7a068b67a7d063705.gif[/img] This doesn't make a lot of sense, though. Acupuncture does seem to have at least a little more effect than homeopathy

[QUOTE=Kendra;30741402]Acupuncture is probably real medicine though. The best explanation is that since you're damaging the skin, the body sends signals to repair the broken skin. If you happen to have say, a strained muscle, and the fact that it is strained wasn't sent to the brain, and suddenly it sees that you have a strained muscle, it'll be like: "Now that we're here, we might aswell repair that muscle." [/QUOTE] Although that sounds plausible, I'm pretty sure the body is a lot more complicated than that. Also I don't think the brain has anything to do with tissue repair, it's happening constantly all over the body.

right now i have a cold and the homeopathic meds i have been taking really do work, and its not just the placebo affect.

How can you tell?

[QUOTE=krazipanda;30741876]right now i have a cold and the homeopathic meds i have been taking really do work, and its not just the placebo affect.[/QUOTE] Did you know that colds aren't very serious and you will get better naturally? Just because you started taking some placebos and started getting better, doesn't mean that the placebos caused you to get better. It could just be that you were already as sick as you were going to get when you started taking them. Once you're at your worst, you can only get better.

[QUOTE=Kendra;30741402] You do realise lactose intolerance is caused by a lack of the enzyme lactase and that can't be cured by drinking a magical potion, right?[/QUOTE] Enzyme lactase which is supposed to be created naturally, but isn't for one of various, often unknown, reason. As you said yourself, the homeopathicum might strike some of alarms within the body which could lead fo fixing of the lactase issue too. [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=joe588;30740581]your body fixed its self by its self. end of.[/QUOTE] You know that because you...? I am given a presumption of self un-fixable problem by nationally evaluated doctor on nationally funded and ran facility. Somebody who says that he can solve it and I agree to accept his help. The problem gets resolved either by his help or by himself. Either two independent people for who medicine is their daily bread are wrong, and the issue solved itself, or you, some random angsty gaylord on internet are wrong. Who will I believe... Band of "science rules yayyy" kids on internet, or people who actually dedicate their lifes to treating illnesses, one being group of people supporting modern medicine AND a guy who supports the alternative? I think that I know.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30742308]Enzyme lactase which is supposed to be created naturally, but isn't for one of various, often unknown, reason. [b]As you said yourself, the homeopathicum might strike some of alarms within the body which could lead fo fixing of the lactase issue too.[/b] [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] You know that because you...?[/QUOTE] No it doesn't. Homeopathic medicines are nothing more than water, nothing at all. They have no physical influence other than water.

[QUOTE=krazipanda;30741876]right now i have a cold and the homeopathic meds i have been taking really do work, and its not just the placebo affect.[/QUOTE] No they don't. This is a statement of fact.

[QUOTE=Number-41;30742400]No it doesn't. Homeopathic medicines are nothing more than water, nothing at all. They have no physical influence other than water.[/QUOTE] There are trace amounts of the original watered matter. Also, it's said that water can hold more information than simple chemical or other constitution. Look up Masaru Emoto

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30742308]Enzyme lactase which is supposed to be created naturally, but isn't for one of various, often unknown, reason. As you said yourself, the homeopathicum might strike some of alarms within the body which could lead fo fixing of the lactase issue too. [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] You know that because you...? I am given a presumption of self un-fixable problem by nationally evaluated doctor on nationally funded and ran facility. Somebody who says that he can solve it and I agree to accept his help. The problem gets resolved either by his help or by himself. Either two independent people for who medicine is their daily bread are wrong, and the issue solved itself, or you, some random angsty gaylord on internet are wrong. Who will I believe... Band of "science rules yayyy" kids on internet, or people who actually dedicate their lifes to treating illnesses, one being group of people supporting modern medicine AND a guy who supports the alternative? I think that I know.[/QUOTE] The problem with the people who support homoeopathy is that they don't perform real experiments. They will always go into the process with an agenda. The only real studies that you will find on homoeopathy conclude that if they work at all, it is by the placebo effect. One of the lowest amounts of dilution homoeopaths will prescribe is equivalent to 1ml of active ingredient mixed into 10,000 litres of water. The chance of you getting 1 molecule of the "cure" is pretty slim. Yes, you should listen to the people who dedicate their lives to treating illnesses and other sciences, such as the people who have studied the placebo effect, water memory, etc.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30742495]There are trace amounts of the original watered matter.[/QUOTE] Most homeopathic 'medicines' are diluted to such an extent that they geniunely are pure water.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30742495]There are trace amounts of the original watered matter. Also, it's said that water can hold more information than simple chemical or other constitution. Look up Masaru Emoto[/QUOTE] Look up water memory, look up concentrations, look at how much of the diluted substance is still left.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30742495]Also, it's said that water can hold more information than simple chemical or other constitution.[/QUOTE] I assume that by 'it's said' you mean you have no actual evidence to back this up.

[QUOTE=Number-41;30742717]Look up water memory, look up concentrations, look at how much of the diluted substance is still left.[/QUOTE] Even if you say that water memory could allow some water molecules to take on the properties of the "cure" chemical, the highest dilutions they use are unlikely to contain [i]any water molecules that ever touched the active ingredient molecules.[/i]

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;30725541]This oh sweet baby jesus murder me now [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1G3QhmGdv0[/media][/QUOTE] "Have all of you heard about Einstein?" Oh no, no no no no I don't like where this is going. "E = c" :suicide:

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30742495]There are trace amounts of the original watered matter. Also, it's said that water can hold more information than simple chemical or other constitution. Look up Masaru Emoto[/QUOTE] Okay: [quote]After the lengthy review of Emoto’s research methods and results, I have come to believe that Dr. Emoto is offering pseudoscience to the masses in the guise of defensible research. Only time and review by others will tell if there is any truth at the heart of Mr. Emoto’s claims, as Emoto himself thoroughly believes in his findings but does not value the scientific method or community. What is truly fearsome is the great numbers of people that accept his words as proven facts without looking deeper to find out if his claims are truly justified. While I respect Dr. Emoto’s desire to save the Earth’s water from contamination and pollution, unless he can produce a scientific paper and get it published in a scientific journal, I believe that he will continue to be ignored by the scientific community, and his claims will never be soundly proved or disproved.[/quote] Now what?

In fact, the "medicine" (just plain sugar with 1ppm of something different) is useless. BUT the placebo-effect has been shown to have a little positive effect on a person. So it depends: The story behind homeopathy is bullshit, of course. But as long as some people believe in that and feel better due to placebo effect, it's fine.

[QUOTE=st0rmforce;30741748]Although that sounds plausible, I'm pretty sure the body is a lot more complicated than that. Also I don't think the brain has anything to do with tissue repair, it's happening constantly all over the body.[/QUOTE] The brain needs to send a signal for something to happen. For example: necrosis (where tissue death happens and your skin goes black and eventually you just start losing the affected part) is caused by the brain not revealing a signal that there's tissue dying, and not sending fagocytes to consume the dead cells, and these dead cells just start accumulating, and eventually, you have mostly dead cells. Same can happen here. Also, water memory does not function. It lasts about 5 femtoseconds, and that's about the time it takes light to skip along 15000 hydrogen atoms in a vacuum. That duration is not enough to even have a slight effect on a neuroreceptor or whatever, also it is probably that because hydrogen atoms are so small they wouldn't even act the same as a carbon, nitrogen, sulfur or halogen atom on a receptor regardless of if it's the same structure of the molecule. [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30742308]Enzyme lactase which is supposed to be created naturally, but isn't for one of various, [B]often unknown, reason[/B]. As you said yourself, the homeopathicum might strike some of alarms within the body which could lead fo fixing of the lactase issue too. [/QUOTE] The reason someone usually becomes lactose intolerant is if they havn't had a lot of milk when they were younger, and then the body didn't need lactase, and now it doesnt have the capability to make lactase anymore as it has never needed it. Also don't spew bullshit, if that were true, lactose intolerancy wouldn't exist because [B]everyone[/B] (last I checked) drinks water.

You know that if not herb medicine, modern medicine wouldn't be here.

[QUOTE=aurum481;30744726]You know that if not herb medicine, modern medicine wouldn't be here.[/QUOTE] what does that have to do with anything do you know what homeopathy is [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30738266]I had asthma, which was supposed to threaten my life by age of 15 if I didn't start to daily inhale corcticoids (with known negative side effects), and then continue for rest of my life. I went to acupuncture for three years and occassionally take some herbal drops. Now I am 19 and even though I am no marathonian, I have no real problems with breathing and no need to deal with them anymore. If they fooled me and the problem fixed itself on it's own, despite predictions of doctors, I blew about I guess maximally $200 over course of years for nothing. If I didn't let them fool me, I would seriously weaken my kidneys for nothing by that time, and blast the money on corticoids anyway. If it did work, they sorta fixed a problem which was supposed to get worse and worse and stalled the process completely with treatment with no side effects. Fucking works for me.[/QUOTE] post hoc ergo propter hoc

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;30745256]what does that have to do with anything do you know what homeopathy is[/QUOTE] it is to do with people confusing herb shit with homeopathy