Homeopathy doesn't do shit, why do doctors prescribe it? - General

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30742495]There are trace amounts of the original watered matter.[/QUOTE] Even calling it "trace amounts" is absurdly generous. At dilution ratios used in homeopathic remedies, the chances of even getting a molecule of what is supposed to be treating you are astronomically low.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;30719248]I hate essentially all herbal and homoeopathic medicines. They are leftovers from the middle ages and should have been left there. If I was in charge every single herbal and homoeopathic establishment would be shut down and converted into a real medical establishment.[/QUOTE] Damn man, you're pretty extreme and short sighted occasionally. A lot of herbal places may be run by quacks, but some of the stuff they sell actually works. Once I had a ringworm infection which is actually fungal not parasitic, and the doctor gave me this ointment for it. Now this taken weeks, so I decide to see what the main kicking power of it was. Said thing was Tea Tree Oil, so I head to local herbal place and buy some of that stuff and I used it with a gauze bandage and it killed it in a single day, albeit it hurt like a bitch from the oil's potency. And besides a fair portion of medicines are derived from a herb or chemical within it, and as that Native guy said with the willow tree and anti-bee leaf stuff. Some of the stuff you can buy from herbal stores will do the job, maybe even better. As for Homeopathy genius way to make medicine to unsuspecting fools or idiots who believe in it or give it the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it can work with placebo effects such as a minor stomach ache or headache. As for you "They are leftovers from the middle ages and should have been left there" Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Edit: scratched "pretty much every single modern medicine is derived from a herb just in a different packages"

[QUOTE=Dysgalt;30746002]Damn man, you're pretty extreme and short sighted occasionally. A lot of herbal places may be run by quacks, but some of the stuff they sell actually works. Once I had a ringworm infection which is actually fungal not parasitic, and the doctor gave me this ointment for it. Now this taken weeks, so I decide to see what the main kicking power of it was. Said thing was Tea Tree Oil, so I head to local herbal place and buy some of that stuff and I used it with a gauze bandage and it killed it in a single day, albeit it hurt like a bitch from the oil's potency. And besides pretty much every single modern medicine is derived from a herb just in a different packages, and as that Native guy said with the willow tree and anti-bee leaf stuff. Some of the stuff you can buy from herbal stores will do the job, maybe even better. As for Homeopathy genius way to make medicine to unsuspecting fools or idiots who believe in it or give it the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it can work with placebo effects such as a minor stomach ache or headache. As for you "They are leftovers from the middle ages and should have been left there" Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.[/QUOTE] I guess we're doomed to repeat their shitty medical practices.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;30746199]I guess we're doomed to repeat their shitty medical practices.[/QUOTE] Sorry if I seemed to be saying that, I didn't mean it I was directing it at the mindset of Sobotnik in eliminating Herbal medical peoples who have some cures that actually work/Forgetting everything in the middle ages. Besides its impossible to deny the fact that shitty medical practices will always exist regardless eliminating them would be a slow futile process since they'll always pop up in a new coat with a new name to continue onward, best options is public education.

If water can somehow take a 'memory' of a molecule of medicine that used to be in it, how come it hasn't got a memory of every single other molecule it touches? Water circulates a lot you know.

[QUOTE=CatFodder;30746352]If water can somehow take a 'memory' of a molecule of medicine that used to be in it, how come it hasn't got a memory of every single other molecule it touches? Water circulates a lot you know.[/QUOTE] Well I found a water molecule the other day that looked like a t-rex, what are you saying? [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] [img]http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/7237/dinosaurwater.png[/img] Even took a picture!

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30738266]I had asthma, which was supposed to threaten my life by age of 15 if I didn't start to daily inhale corcticoids (with known negative side effects), and then continue for rest of my life. I went to acupuncture for three years and occassionally take some herbal drops. Now I am 19 and even though I am no marathonian, I have no real problems with breathing and no need to deal with them anymore. If they fooled me and the problem fixed itself on it's own, despite predictions of doctors, I blew about I guess maximally $200 over course of years for nothing. If I didn't let them fool me, I would seriously weaken my kidneys for nothing by that time, and blast the money on corticoids anyway. If it did work, they sorta fixed a problem which was supposed to get worse and worse and stalled the process completely with treatment with no side effects. Fucking works for me.[/QUOTE] What exactly does this have to do with homeopathic medicine?

[QUOTE=krazipanda;30741876]right now i have a cold and the homeopathic meds i have been taking really do work, and its not just the placebo affect.[/QUOTE] sorry to break this to you, but you've been drinking very expensive water.

[QUOTE=Dysgalt;30746002]And besides pretty much every single modern medicine is derived from a herb just in a different packages[/QUOTE] That's entirely untrue. [quote=Wikipedia on herbal medicine]In fact, according to the World Health Organisation, approximately 25% of modern drugs used in the United States have been derived from plants[U].[/U][/quote] For example, penicillin, the first antibiotic, was grown from fungal moulds.

[QUOTE=Kendra;30746850]Well I found a water molecule the other day that looked like a t-rex, what are you saying? [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] [img]http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/7237/dinosaurwater.png[/img] Even took a picture![/QUOTE] It must have touched a T-Rex at some point and stuck. Unfortunately it's now useless for homoeopathy. Well, apart from for treating giant lizard bites, but those are quite rare these days

Buy a ton of Homeopathy products. Drink all of them in an attempt to overdose. ???? [B][I]PROFIT!!![/I][/B]

[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;30747648]Buy a ton of Homeopathy products. Drink all of them in an attempt to overdose. ???? [B][I]PROFIT!!![/I][/B][/quote] Suicide by homeopathic pills. That's the funniest idea that has entered my mind all day.

[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;30747648]Buy a ton of Homeopathy products. Drink all of them in an attempt to overdose. ???? [B][I]PROFIT!!![/I][/B][/QUOTE] Been done [quote="wiki"] Scientific skeptics highlight the lack of active ingredients in homeopathic products by taking large overdoses - examples include James Randi and the 10:23 campaign groups.None of the hundreds of demonstrators in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the USA were injured and "no one was cured of anything, either".Some marketers of remedies state that one "cannot overdose on homeopathic medicines".[/quote] It shows how safe they are, you can't even overdose.

You can die by drinking too much water, so you can overdose on homeopathic "medicine"

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30742308] You know that because you...? I am given a presumption of self un-fixable problem by nationally evaluated doctor on nationally funded and ran facility. Somebody who says that he can solve it and I agree to accept his help. The problem gets resolved either by his help or by himself. Either two independent people for who medicine is their daily bread are wrong, and the issue solved itself, or you, some random angsty gaylord on internet are wrong. Who will I believe... Band of "science rules yayyy" kids on internet, or people who actually dedicate their lifes to treating illnesses, one being group of people supporting modern medicine AND a guy who supports the alternative? I think that I know.[/QUOTE] no you had a childhood illness which declined as your body matured and your immune system developed.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30742495]Also, it's said that water can hold more information than simple chemical or other constitution.[/QUOTE] [release][h2]wrong[/h2][/release]

[QUOTE=sp00ks;30748186]You can die by drinking too much water, so you can overdose on homeopathic "medicine"[/QUOTE] It's like 20 litres at once before you die

[QUOTE=Kendra;30749420]It's like 20 litres at once before you die[/QUOTE] 6+ litres in one go will usually do it depending on conditions. [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] that lass who was flouted over the british tabloids and started the whole alcohol funded antiecstasy campaign, she drank 7 in an hour causing her brain to swell and die.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30742495] Also, it's said that water can hold more information than simple chemical or other constitution. [/QUOTE] 2 parts hydrogen 1 part oxygen 1 part MAGIC

[QUOTE=keatinator;30738164]I think it works, and sometimes when I would get strep throat I would prefer to use something natural rather than my immune system having to rely on the stuff the doctors give you and make it weaker and more dependent on anti biotics all the time.[/QUOTE] Why is everyone getting natural mixed up with homeopathy?

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;30750042]Why is everyone getting natural mixed up with homeopathy?[/QUOTE] I think it's partly down to the way they market their products. They don't openly state what their stuff is in advertisements, because most people would realise how pointless it is. Instead they spout a load of bullshit: that it's made from natural ingredients, it has no side-effects, stuff like that.

[QUOTE=st0rmforce;30750294]I think it's partly down to the way they market their products. They don't openly state what their stuff is in advertisements, because most people would realise how pointless it is. Instead they spout a load of bullshit: that it's made from natural ingredients, it has no side-effects, stuff like that.[/QUOTE] Natural products aren't advertised as having no side effects unless they don't have side effects Doing otherwise would be very illegal

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30750311]Natural products aren't advertised as having no side effects unless they don't have side effects Doing otherwise would be very illegal[/QUOTE] Actually, regulation of herbal medicines is a problem, since they can escape a number of regulations imposed on "mainstream" medicine. I think I read an article about it a few months ago, the EU was trying to crack down on it. Here's an interesting article (opinion piece, but with plenty of sources and evidence put out) on the subject. [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-lay-scientist/2011/feb/21/1[/url]

[QUOTE=Turnips5;30750577]Actually, regulation of herbal medicines is a problem, since they can escape a number of regulations imposed on "mainstream" medicine. I think I read an article about it a few months ago, the EU was trying to crack down on it. Here's an interesting article (opinion piece, but with plenty of sources and evidence put out) on the subject. [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-lay-scientist/2011/feb/21/1[/url][/QUOTE] I was referring mostly to here where all natural health products are screened, licensed, and the packaging has to include: [release] • product name • product licence number • quantity of product in the bottle • complete list of medicinal and non-medicinal ingredients • recommended use (including purpose or health claim, route of administration and dose) • any cautionary statements, warnings, contra-indications and possible adverse reactions associated with the product • any special storage conditions [/release] Maybe it's different in the UK

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30750311]Natural products aren't advertised as having no side effects unless they don't have side effects Doing otherwise would be very illegal[/QUOTE] I was talking about homoeopathy.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30750683]I was referring mostly to here where all natural health products are screened, licensed, and the packaging has to include: [release] • product name • product licence number • quantity of product in the bottle • complete list of medicinal and non-medicinal ingredients • recommended use (including purpose or health claim, route of administration and dose) • any cautionary statements, warnings, contra-indications and possible adverse reactions associated with the product • any special storage conditions [/release] Maybe it's different in the UK[/QUOTE] Probably is. I think the NHS still funds homeopathy to some degree, which is completely unacceptable. That shit needs sorting out.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30749824]2 parts hydrogen 1 part oxygen 1 part midichlorians[/QUOTE] Fixed.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;30750735]Probably is. I think the NHS still funds homeopathy to some degree, which is completely unacceptable. That shit needs sorting out.[/QUOTE] If it's used for an useful purpose, i.e. dealing with people who've had chronic illnesses for years with no visible cause and getting them off GP waiting lists, then that's fine. Anything else, no. And homeopaths shouldn't be allowed to give any medical advice about anything their patient hasn't been referred for beyond 'see a doctor'. Herbal medicine is okay, in some respects, but I'd imagine in the majority of cases, using standard medication would be better for you. I'd rather use a pure (or mostly pure) active ingredient, as opposed to a herbal one. If a herbal remedy performs better in medical trials, then we need to find out why, and incorporate that into modern drugs.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;30752290]If it's used for an useful purpose, i.e. dealing with people who've had chronic illnesses for years with no visible cause and getting them off GP waiting lists, then that's fine. Anything else, no. And homeopaths shouldn't be allowed to give any medical advice about anything their patient hasn't been referred for beyond 'see a doctor'. .[/QUOTE] no because he'll then go on and spread the word that he's been 'cured' like the guy above who got poked with sharp bits of metal this is why these stupid fucking scams still exist. they need to be completely wiped out. what's wrong with a sugar pill if that's what's needed?

Doctors prescribe it just to make a quick buck. Then ,you'll go back, and he/she will sell you real medicine...