Homeopathy doesn't do shit, why do doctors prescribe it? - General

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;30720819]No I meant that both are stupid throwbacks to the middle ages, the only similarity is that idiots think they work when modern science can make much better ones.[/QUOTE] herbal medicine > artificial medicine in many cases, imo i personally prefer the idea of putting natural substances into my body rather than a chemically engineered compound formulated in a lab for MAXIMUM EFFECT HRUGHHHH obviously modern medicine is a good thing, because you cant solve everything with an herb, but herbal medicine is VERY useful and still holds its place in the modern world

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30752901]i personally prefer the idea of putting natural substances into my body[/QUOTE] every substance is natural

[QUOTE=st0rmforce;30750719]I was talking about homoeopathy.[/QUOTE] homeopathic "remedies" can't have side effects well, water intoxication if you take a lot

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Once had a Homeopathy person come in for a class. She started talking about how she took loon feathers watered down by whatever they do. She said she felt lonely around lakes because the loon was going extinct. Then there was the awkward part after class when everyone made the exact same loony joke.

[QUOTE=JDB;30755751]Once had a Homeopathy person come in for a class. She started talking about how she took loon feathers watered down by whatever they do. She said she felt lonely around lakes because the loon was going extinct. Then there was the awkward part after class when everyone made the exact same loony joke.[/QUOTE] There are 5 species of loon and only one is "near threatened" glad she did her research

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;30725541][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1G3QhmGdv0[/media][/QUOTE] Energy equals mass times the speed of light -> E=mc^2, Stephen Hawkings, nothing has mass, hnnnnngg Sweet Jesus kill me now In other news, it's funny (or not, actually), because for the more common dilutions, you'd have to ingest more water than there is on the planet to get a single molecule of the original ingredient

[QUOTE=st0rmforce;30741975]Did you know that colds aren't very serious and you will get better naturally? Just because you started taking some placebos and started getting better, doesn't mean that the placebos caused you to get better. It could just be that you were already as sick as you were going to get when you started taking them. Once you're at your worst, you can only get better.[/QUOTE] duh, you get better on your own. i'm just saying these menthol throat tablets as well as these anti-congenstants are deffinetely working, i can barely feel my throat and i can breathe well out of my nose. [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] Ok wow i must be using a different sort of "homeopathic" because what she is saying is utter bullshit. what i'm using is mostly minimalistic\less intrusive medicines (that you could make at your house if you wanted to) [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] omg she is a fucking moron "you cannot create/use energy" [editline]27th June 2011[/editline] if i had to guess what humans looked like based off her i would guess they looked like this: [img]http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/electricalcontractors/images/vibrate.jpg[/img]

apply directly to the forehead

Placebo effects are important.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30752901]herbal medicine > artificial medicine in many cases, imo i personally prefer the idea of putting natural substances into my body rather than a chemically engineered compound formulated in a lab for MAXIMUM EFFECT HRUGHHHH obviously modern medicine is a good thing, because you cant solve everything with an herb, but herbal medicine is VERY useful and still holds its place in the modern world[/QUOTE] This is where I disagree. Herbal medicine can and often works but I believe that it is less trustworthy than what is chemically formulated in the lab (or more realistically, factory). Modern medicine has determined the active compound and produced a product with only that active compound and excipients that have tolerated side-effects (more or less, none). With herbal remedies, it's hard to determine what else you're taking. It's hard enough to predict the side effects of one compound. Imagine if we throw in many more, at the same time. "Natural" doesn't mean anything when you're talking about your health. If you have a problem with "Maximum Effect" then feel free to tell drug companies that they don't need to make drugs as potent. Of course, the problem is that potency can be correlated with specificity and without specificity, side effects occur. [editline]28th June 2011[/editline] I accept that herbal, "natural" remedies work but I would never choose a herbal remedy over whatever tablet was out of the market that treated the same thing. And I would definitely never pay more for one.

What I hate is when these homoeopathic medicine people who advise against modern medical advances such as vaccinations, as they put way to much trust on ideas which have received so much evidence against them.

[QUOTE=Sumap;30758846]What I hate is when these homoeopathic medicine people who advise against modern medical advances such as vaccinations, as they put way to much trust on ideas which have received so much evidence against them.[/QUOTE] Lets send them back to Turkey in the age of smallpox and see if their Quackery even affects the course of time.

The thing that bugs me is that shit like Zicam is unregulated because it's classified as a homeopathic remedy, not a drug, so it doesn't have to pass FDA guidelines here in the US, so it gets sold next to [I]real[/I] medications without going through any testing or confirmation of their claims. Thank god they are typically so diluted that they don't do shit. Meanwhile, Zicam caused hundreds of people to permanently lose their sense of smell, while in terms of homeopathy, it should be very non-potent because of how little the active ingredient was diluted.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;30754755]every substance is natural[/QUOTE] everything that exists is natural

Natural as in not man-made, but chemistry is chemistry, and it's even better to isolate the working chemical instead of using a plant with all kinds of other substances in it that might have a negative effect.

[QUOTE=sp00ks;30760526]everything that exists is natural[/QUOTE] there are some elements that do not occur in nature which have been synthesised in laboratories

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;30764414]there are some elements that do not occur in nature which have been synthesised in laboratories[/QUOTE] You mean compounds? And most compounds that are synthesised in labs are based off naturally occurring compounds or already existing ones.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;30764414]there are some elements that do not occur in nature which have been synthesised in laboratories[/QUOTE] Being created in a laboratory is no less a natural process than being formed in the heart of a star. [editline]28th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=halflife_123;30764977]You mean compounds?[/QUOTE] No he doesn't.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;30765133] No he doesn't.[/QUOTE] Woopsie, I didn't really pay attention to the context, my bad. My opinion on homeopathy: it's immoral to give people 'medicine' that has no evidence to show it's better than a placebo, people need to be educated and I'm sure anyone who is not a complete idiot can understand (after being fully informed of how homeopathy 'works') that it does nothing. This stuff needs to be regulated: if practitioners claim it is medicine and actually does something, then have it tested and approved like medicine and then we'll see who's laughing.

Homoepathy is scientifically proven to not work.

It works great if you're thirsty.

Placebo effect, this is why this kind of treatment can somewhat effective to certain people.

I was actually sick for 2 years and when that happened I was literally taking anything. I tried this, herbs, acupuncture, and so many other "organic" methods. They are a load of shit. I tries it and lost another month of my life. It doens't help you in any way and makes you lose money. But hey, what would I expect when Stanford couldn't even figure out what I had

[QUOTE=mix999;30773433]Placebo effect, this is why this kind of treatment can somewhat effective to certain people.[/QUOTE] Pretty much, if you can convince people to treat themselves by fooling them into thinking the medicines work, is it really that bad?

[QUOTE=Nerbil;30777423]Pretty much, if you can convince people to treat themselves by fooling them into thinking the medicines work, is it really that bad?[/QUOTE] Yes, if you're swindling exhorbitant amounts of money from them by doing so.

[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;30777819]Yes, if you're swindling exhorbitant amounts of money from them by doing so.[/QUOTE] And purposefully throwing doubt upon the safety of conventional medicine and vaccination.

Placebo effect; nuff said. However none of these "homeopathic medicines" ever work for me because i know about the placebo effect and therefore cancel it out when im taking such remedies.

[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;30777819]Yes, if you're swindling exhorbitant amounts of money from them by doing so.[/QUOTE] If you use the placebo effect in a universal healthcare system to clear patients who suffer from 'chronic' illness or injuries/pain which seem to have no clear cause (and quite often is no cause, apart from the patient's mind) from waiting lists, then you could increase efficiency and reduce costs. Or give people who ask for antibiotics for colds placebos as well. But you'd have to be ethical about it - you couldn't just say that it was some new wonder drug. For instance, saying a pill 'helped your brain and nervous system cope with and repair the cause of pain' would be correct. But I'm not sure that would be ethical either.

What about giving people real medicine that actually works? That way they'll get the benefit of the medicine and all the positive thoughts because they believe they'll get well.