[QUOTE=miscreanity;27864072]Who takes the reigns, or tries to? What's to prevent anyone from gaining power before the almighty central computer dictates life on the global commune?[/QUOTE]
Well the computer would be the first thing we do. The first thing we are going to try to do is get an assessment of the resources on the planet.
Sure the lhc does take in a lot of energy. I meant most dont.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27864229]Well the computer would be the first thing we do. The first thing we are going to try to do is get an assessment of the resources on the planet.
Sure the lhc does take in a lot of energy. I meant most dont.[/QUOTE]
And how would the computer enforce its orders? Again, who would maintain it?
Where are your facts on the energy consumption of research? Archaeology and anthropology still require supplies, transportation, etc...
How would it enforce giving resources? By either transporting resources to the middle of a city or if possible giving it directly to someones house. And like I said yes different research costs different things an archaeology project shouldn't cost that much. It would have to send people to the site they are digging, and use a few machines that were most likely already made for digging. Yes I know there is more to that but nothing that I can see that would require a huge amount of resources. Sure we would need men to help but nothing that big on resources.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27864619]How would it enforce giving resources? By either transporting resources to the middle of a city or if possible giving it directly to someones house. And like I said yes different research costs different things an archaeology project shouldn't cost that much. It would have to send people to the site they are digging, and use a few machines that were most likely already made for digging. Yes I know there is more to that but nothing that I can see that would require a huge amount of resources. Sure we would need men to help but nothing that big on resources.[/QUOTE]
We haven't even gotten to resource distribution - still stuck at orders. How would the computer be able to guarantee that its orders were enforced, let alone transport them, if it has to rely on human support? Will it be charismatic enough to woo the population? How will this mystical computer keep enough order to support itself?
You're still getting caught up in the details while missing the big picture. It would certainly help if you ran your own business and went through the difficulties inherent in herding humans/cats.
[QUOTE=miscreanity;27864747]We haven't even gotten to resource distribution - still stuck at orders. How would the computer be able to guarantee that its orders were enforced, let alone transport them, if it has to rely on human support?[/QUOTE]
I dont think it would require a human to transport it. Also It wont transport a single item through half the world. Most resources would be made by the city unless they couldn't. Once the resources were made they would be put turned into items next to or in the city. Maglev trains or other on rail transportation would then send it to either a place in the middle of the city or directly to the person if it could be shipped by underground systems.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27864867]I dont think it would require a human to transport it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27864229]Well the computer would be the first thing we do.[/QUOTE]
No robotic infrastructure means human labor.
Good thing it would be the first thing we do. It also wouldnt be that hard. we already have computer systems that take demands. Another thing we would probably put on the list of things that we should do is end world hunger. We have the ability to take almost the purest nutrition from food so that way we could pack a lot of food in small space. sadly even though chicken noodle soup tastes better its not going to feed them for long and is used to feed many children in ending world hunger charities.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27865485]Good thing it would be the first thing we do. It also wouldnt be that hard. we already have computer systems that take demands. Another thing we would probably put on the list of things that we should do is end world hunger. We have the ability to take almost the purest nutrition from food so that way we could pack a lot of food in small space. sadly even though chicken noodle soup tastes better its not going to feed them for long and is used to feed many children in ending world hunger charities.[/QUOTE]
You do [i]not[/i] want to go there... Tell you what, I'll let you live for now without enduring my thesis on hunger. But if I ever catch you at a Zeitgeist rally, I'm going to drop your brain into a meat grinder and use it to spew your grey and white matter back into your skull. Hopefully rearranging enough to prevent cyclical reasoning from putting you into another infinite loop.
On that note, it's been fun! Now I'm off to write about the holographic universe...
[QUOTE=miscreanity;27865612]Tell you what, I'll let you live for now without enduring my thesis on hunger[/QUOTE]
Could you tell what it is exactly. You think there isnt enough food in order to feed the people on the planet. especially with hydroponic farms that could make food in a desert.
Oh and also you didnt answer the transportation thing.
Ugh. The Venus Project is a fictional idea. It won't happen, and even if it did, it'd fail for a simple reason: Computers are dumb. Letting them make major decisions is suicide.
[QUOTE=Jookia;27866053]Computers are dumb. Letting them make major decisions is suicide.[/QUOTE]
Yea thats why netflix and many other businesses are using computers for distribution. Its not really that hard. someone sends request, they supply it. This is something stores have been doing for years.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27866114]Yea thats why netflix and many other businesses are using computers for distribution. Its not really that hard. someone sends request, they supply it. This is something stores have been doing for years.[/QUOTE]
Do you understand how computers work? Computers require people to program them. Programs have bugs. Programs have back doors. Computers get viruses.
What if somebody sent a request with some kind of exploit in it to break the system and then used it to gain all the resources?
Is this why so many stores and other companies that use computers got viruses and then the whole system was destroyed? The only difference is that the person would have nothing to gain from breaking something that gives out resources. also You really think there be no checks or anything or no way to reboot it like what computers can do today?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27866256]Is this why so many stores and other companies that use computers got viruses and then the whole system was destroyed? The only difference is that the person would have nothing to gain from breaking something that gives out resources. also You really think there be no checks or anything or no way to reboot it like what computers can do today?[/QUOTE]
Okay, you don't understand what I've said.
Motive: Get more resources than others.
How to: Be a programmer, put a carefully hidden backdoor in the system's code.
Also, rebooting won't remove backdoor code. It'd just disable it, then the rogue programmer could just enable it again with whatever trigger.
Or consider this: It's a single point of failure. Somebody breaks the entire system, chaos.
Also, as for checking, a talented and determined programmer can hide backdoors in code for it to pass inspection, then they trigger it. The backdoor could take over the entire system, giving them ultimate power.
2 hours and 41 minutes?
aw hell nah
First if they already can get the resources they want then there would be no use doing this and 2 there isnt going to be just 1 computer. of course there will be other systems it would be able to switch to and of course it will be checked to make sure there is nothing wrong with it. Why dont you see this happen to companies. Why isnt there some magic back door that someone put into the windows system and uses it to take over the system? A huge amount of money and resourced are on computers. why dont they do this to bank computers or the stock market? Those programs were made and they even would have a motive to do so unlike the one you are talking about.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27866483]First if they already can get the resources they want then there would be no use doing this and 2 there isnt going to be just 1 computer. of course there will be other systems it would be able to switch to and of course it will be checked to make sure there is nothing wrong with it. Why dont you see this happen to companies. Why isnt there some magic back door that someone put into the windows system and uses it to take over the system? A huge amount of money and resourced are on computers. why dont they do this to bank computers or the stock market? Those programs were made and they even would have a motive to do so unlike the one you are talking about.[/QUOTE]
You can't just check a system to make sure if there's nothing wrong with it if you hide something.
This happens to companies. Look at the recent Gawker exploit.
There are backdoors in Windows.
Bank computers? It probably has happened, I don't know of it personally though.
Stock market? How would you use a computer to cheat the stock market?
You know nothing about how computers work internally, it's not as simple as you make it out to be. You seem to be unable to grasp that computers running the world wouldn't work, there'd be too many possibilities for bugs, exploits or backdoors that it's a ridiculous idea to even consider it.
I might leave this thread, it's no use trying to show sense to people to don't want to see genuine criticism and problems, and want to live in an imaginary world of hope.
You could use it to fuck everyone over in a stock market. If you didnt realize this computer pretty much do rule the world. think how fucked up the world could get if you tampered with some important things. You are assuming that people will for some reason want to mess with the computer and 2ndly there would be no way to fix it. What would he gain from this? some how resources are only going to one persons house? dont you think people would then notice really fast who is doing this, use a backup program which would have been premade. If it is this easy to just mess with the most important computer in the world why have we not seen the governments computer systems go nuts because some programmer just felt like messing with the U.S.
You're a brick wall. Goodbye.
Good argument. But really through out this whole thread you showed that you cant think of a good argument if this is the best you can do.
I honestly tried to explain that computers running the world would be a bad idea due to bugs, exploits and backdoors. Even if nobody tampered with anything, bugs could still mess up the overall system or possibly break it.
Let me put it this way: Could anything convince you that the cult and its wacky ideas are bad?
Yea a good argument. The world we live in today needs computers in order to work and they even have a motivation but yet you don't see it. Computers mess up way less then humans. This is why they are being used by businesses like netflix like I said before. All you do is make bad arguments and expect think they are awesome and because It doesn't work on me you think it must be my fault.
Maybe my arguments were full of too much technobabble or whatever. I dunno, obviously you didn't get the message of what I was saying as you keep replying to my argument with stuff about how computers are used in businesses, not addressing what I was actually saying.
Anyway, let's drop the argument. Let's say I was wrong.
What would make you turn on the venus project? What evidence would you take?
Probably evidence showing that technology isnt currently good enough or something.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27866932]Probably evidence showing that technology isnt currently good enough or something.[/QUOTE]
Ok, what's the most advanced thing talked about in that movie?
Oh I guess using geothermal technology to be a major part of were we get are energy from. while its not necessary it would help a lot. If tapped correctly would be able to supply all of earths energy needs but yet we currently only have the technology to be used in places like Iceland.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27867026]Oh I guess using geothermal technology to be a major part of were we get are energy from. while its not necessary it would help a lot. If tapped correctly would be able to supply all of earths energy needs but yet we currently only have the technology to be used in places like Iceland.[/QUOTE]
Then that's evidence that the technology isn't good enough?
Ugh, don't answer that. I don't care anymore. I'm sorry for writing in a very condescending and angry way.
But like I said its not needed and would but be very helpful also the only thing required would be to figure out how to dig deeper then people are currently doing with the technology. There already is scientist who think they solved that problem.
all this "hey, this guys crazy right *elbow* none of this shit ever works, lets forget him" is exactly what they talk about in the video. The current system has defense mechanisms built in, which is why it has lasted so long. this defense mechanism is you, the brainwashed masses pretending that humans are selfish. if brought up right, they wont be. its a common factual misinterpretation to say anything otherwise.
the only thing i agree with is that a move to this system would be violent, difficult to get running, and could end in nuclear Armageddon if someone decides "if i cant be at the top... nobody will" and presses the big red button during some kind of revolution.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;27872744]all this "hey, this guys crazy right *elbow* none of this shit ever works, lets forget him" is exactly what they talk about in the video. The current system has defense mechanisms built in, which is why it has lasted so long. this defense mechanism is you, the brainwashed masses pretending that humans are selfish. if brought up right, they wont be. its a common factual misinterpretation to say anything otherwise.[/QUOTE]
selfishness evolves naturally in every system with life and it is automatically successful because of it. In a system populated only by selfless humans, the selfish ones are going to wield the most power.
don't believe everything you see on the internet. Consider, for a moment, who exactly is being brainwashed - you're making a pretty giant assumption based on information provided by just a single video.
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