• Taxation, and your views on what people should pay.
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why shouldn't the military be taxed???
Tax everyone on the amount of services they use. Because thats what tax essentially is a bill for the NHS/Police/Eduation Why should someone pay more for exactly the same services? They shouldn't its insanity to think so. So everyone should pay the same.
[QUOTE=Jacada;25149335]Tax everyone on the amount of services they use. Because thats what tax essentially is a bill for the NHS/Police/Eduation Why should someone pay more for exactly the same services? They shouldn't its insanity to think so. So everyone should pay the same.[/QUOTE] everyone uses police and education.
My opinion stands on a tax based on a percentage of income that is constant for all people.
Progressive income tax.
inheritance tax is the worst thing ever.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;25154137]inheritance tax is the worst thing ever.[/QUOTE] Why? Even with it there, you still have idle rich idiots like Paris Hilton who do nothing for their money and are so rich that they're above the law.
The problem with taxing rich and poor people is kinda... Well; The tax percentage hurts a poor man more than it hurts the rich man. Sure the poor man loses practically less money but that money is probably much more important to him, than what the rich man loses.
We should tax people equivalent marginal dollar utility values. [editline]02:28PM[/editline] As soon as I finish my thought reading machine.
[QUOTE=Jacada;25149335]Tax everyone on the amount of services they use. Because thats what tax essentially is a bill for the NHS/Police/Eduation Why should someone pay more for exactly the same services? They shouldn't its insanity to think so. So everyone should pay the same.[/QUOTE] thats kinda like the flat rate taz thing
I view Income tax as wrong as it is unconstitutional and thought this was relevant [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAD6Obi7Cag[/url]
[QUOTE=jgerm529;25161891]I view Income tax as wrong as it is unconstitutional and thought this was relevant [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAD6Obi7Cag[/url][/QUOTE] first off what does that vid4eo have to do with anything and 2nd they had a cort case were a jugde even said not paying income tax is techically not illegal
Show me the court case and because it's money for nothing! lol It was supposed to be humorous as in some people work hard for their money while others don't do hardly anything.
Well I am going to go to college and my projected outlook says I'm going to be making some pretty darn good cash so I support whatever the taxation system is now.
Oh and Fuck living in New York we have the highest taxes of any U.S. State. I need to move.
[QUOTE=Earthen;25131307]I'm Finnish... I visit every summer I read about my country[/QUOTE]Then it seems absolutely bizarre you know nothing about it, and fairly disgusting you're using our suicide rate to push your own political agenda. [editline]03:54PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Earthen;25131486]If people are taught to help others before they help themselves and they have to, that is quite depressing. When someone tells you that you can't follow your own ambitions unless you help everyone else is bullshit. They should be teaching these children to have aspirations and the system/state should be influencing people to seek grandeur.[/QUOTE]Where the hell are they taught that? EDIT: You visit every summer? Where do you currently live?
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;25121666]>everybody who is poor is a lazy idiot who didn't try you have no idea how our economy/capitalism works.[/QUOTE] No one know how it works because it doesn't work. [editline]04:41PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Bletotum;25121877]So everyone should be made to have the same amount of money, by taking an amount from the rich that increases higher than proportion? If everyone is getting the same amount of money after taxes despite occupation, sounds like communism. Plus the rich DO need their money, if they're investing it into their business. Of course I mean in general, not the mega corporations.[/QUOTE] The rich don't need their money, once you can pay for the basics easily with a little to spare, happiness doesn't increase with money, proven fact. [editline]04:45PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Treybuchet;25144597]Oil industry: not that oil is a key part of pretty much fucking everything, not at all.[/QUOTE] Why is a dangerous substance so vital to our culture?
I like the UK's tax banding, could do with some tweaking but it seems better than a flat tax that could mess with people on lower incomes.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;25146407]25% flat sales tax applied in the same manner as VAT, where the consumer never actually sees the tax. Apply this to every kind of sale that takes place. Apply larger tax returns to those making less. And no tax for life for military/LE/FD Remove all other forms of taxes. I'm not saying my way is right or the best, I'm just throwing my opinion out there.[/QUOTE] Finally someone with a good idea. Everyone here seems to be for huge income taxes that in the end, only hurts everyone. Most of you guys want people to be relying on the government for care that they should be able to provide themselves. We make all of these programs that are supposed to help poor people. We make so many, that we have to raise the taxes that the poor people pay, which in turns just makes them poorer. A smart thing to do is to remove all forms of income tax, create a federal sales tax, and give lower income families prebates (monthly money) to help pay the increased sales tax. Everyone gets to keep the money they earned, and spend it how they see fit, instead of sending it to the government and the government spending it one useless programs that do almost nothing to benefit anybody. Removal of income tax and a introduction of a Federal Sales tax might not be the best way ever, but it is far better than anything we are doing now.
Communism's the right way to go [img]http://whatsup.lixlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/shitstorm.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;25154137]inheritance tax is the worst thing ever.[/QUOTE] Too true.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;25123642]Sorry if it seemed anti-semetic. I was just saying the Jewish peoples had made the case very well known. Infact, its a widely acknowledged event in mankind that is frowned upon. Wait... WTF does this have to do with taxes?[/QUOTE] [img]http://fathertheo.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/jew-stereotype.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Earthen;25131307]I specifically said mental strain. Everybody can undergo physical strain and your job does not require you to work yourself to death. Unfortunately some people have to do certain jobs, you didn't work in school or maybe you did and are making money to pay for college. Whatever your reason... anybody can do manual labour. Skilled labour consists of anything that requires a certain degree of education of intelligence. I find it despicable that you simply say that somebody who works in an office doesn't do anything and never feels stress or hardship. Every job is stressful to a certain extent, however, I'm talking strictly about the job, not being without a job. So that analogy about the guy getting hurt is wrong and he probably didn't follow proper safety instructions. An executive gets paid more because he makes more decisions, he has to take much more responsibility and it is a job that requires much more skill than being a construction worker.[/QUOTE] Obviously you didn't read a thing I said, yet you're talking out of your ass. Why don't you go work a labor job for a while. Go build high-rises in the summer and come back and tell me labor work is easier than an executive job. Don't make a distinction between mental strain and physical strain, at the end of the day its the same thing. Of course you wouldn't know that, because you obviously haven't done either of them.
Taxes should be set by the income you make in a year plus average cost of living in that area. So if you make 10,000 a year you will be considered to pay 500$ a year to taxes because of your average cost of living and income. so 500/12 gets your monthly payment. 41 $ a month. Which seems reasonable right? Well a person making 50,000 a year can lose more than that, say 10,000. That's 20% income tax leaving them with 40 thousand to live off. Which is easy enough. So the poor guy is paying 5% tax because of his low income and the other guy is paying 20%, however because they both work hard, they still keep a great sum of their hard (or not so hard earned) wealth. the poor guy keeps 9,500 and the upper middle guy keeps 40,000. However we get mr. big wig 30 million a year (in his pocket, not his business's fund that is a seperate account if he is doing legit business) here and he's taking 30 million home to his personal account each year, that's a shit load more than he really needs considering it's the left overs from his company's income. So if he was even living luxury, he would spend about 5 million a year. That's 25 million doing nothing. so we decide it's ok to tax him 20 million a year, which is 2/3rds or ~66% income tax, leaving him with 10 million or twice what he spends in a year on his luxury life. This form of taxation would cause mr.bigwig to rethink how he withdraws his money for income and would then maybe take just what he needs and invest the left overs in his business or community or something. It would also cause as little impact on the poor guy and allow him to live off minimum wage with a slightly comforting life style.
[QUOTE=Capn'Underpants;25234939]Taxes should be set by the income you make in a year plus average cost of living in that area. So if you make 10,000 a year you will be considered to pay 500$ a year to taxes because of your average cost of living and income. so 500/12 gets your monthly payment. 41 $ a month. Which seems reasonable right? Well a person making 50,000 a year can lose more than that, say 10,000. That's 20% income tax leaving them with 40 thousand to live off. Which is easy enough. So the poor guy is paying 5% tax because of his low income and the other guy is paying 20%, however because they both work hard, they still keep a great sum of their hard (or not so hard earned) wealth. the poor guy keeps 9,500 and the upper middle guy keeps 40,000. However we get mr. big wig 30 million a year (in his pocket, not his business's fund that is a seperate account if he is doing legit business) here and he's taking 30 million home to his personal account each year, that's a shit load more than he really needs considering it's the left overs from his company's income. So if he was even living luxury, he would spend about 5 million a year. That's 25 million doing nothing. so we decide it's ok to tax him 20 million a year, which is 2/3rds or ~66% income tax, leaving him with 10 million or twice what he spends in a year on his luxury life. This form of taxation would cause mr.bigwig to rethink how he withdraws his money for income and would then maybe take just what he needs and invest the left overs in his business or community or something. It would also cause as little impact on the poor guy and allow him to live off minimum wage with a slightly comforting life style.[/QUOTE] That is a horrible idea. What right do you have to be taking more than half of someones money just because it is "more than they need." Why do you get to decide how much he needs? Are you him? No. Yeah he's not going to spend 30 million dollars, but that doesn't mean you need to be taking 20 million away from him just because you can.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;25256695]Why do you get to decide how much he needs? Are you him? No.[/QUOTE] He's trying to be a politician. :downsrim:
[QUOTE=Funcoot;25256695]That is a horrible idea. What right do you have to be taking more than half of someones money just because it is "more than they need." Why do you get to decide how much he needs? Are you him? No. Yeah he's not going to spend 30 million dollars, but that doesn't mean you need to be taking 20 million away from him just because you can.[/QUOTE] yea poor people spending 10 hours a day in a job that gives 7$ an hour dont deserve that money, that rich guy needs it to buy solid gold pizzas and magic hookers
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25257127]yea poor people spending 10 hours a day in a job that gives 7$ an hour dont deserve that money, that rich guy needs it to buy solid gold pizzas and magic hookers[/QUOTE] You're acting like people don't get paid for their jobs. If they don't like their wages, they are free to work else where. I'm saying this as a delivery boy too, so I don't make much. It's just simple fact. You have no right to decide whether or not someone is "making too much."
[QUOTE=Funcoot;25260052]You're acting like people don't get paid for their jobs. If they don't like their wages, they are free to work else where. I'm saying this as a delivery boy too, so I don't make much. It's just simple fact. You have no right to decide whether or not someone is "making too much."[/QUOTE] i dont see hwo your opinion could be fact but think about it, there money could be used for so much more and i would say someone that is working hard for it (that poor guy) deserves more money then what hes getting
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25260079]i dont see hwo your opinion could be fact but think about it, there money could be used for so much more and i would say someone that is working hard for it (that poor guy) deserves more money then what hes getting[/QUOTE] That is the government confiscating personal property. That money belongs to said person, not the government. "Hey, you have a lot, so we're going to take half."
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