Taxation, and your views on what people should pay.
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[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;25121955]Notch is a rare example.
Having million + dollars is more than enough to coast by as a normal person. Donate your money to places where its needed.
But yet, its your own hard earned money, so do what you will with it. But if you're making ample amounts of money, be prepared to be taxed.[/QUOTE]
I know he's rare, but if I were him and were losing higher for the sake of being more successful, I would view it as having been forced to give away free copies. Unrelatedly, notch only gets 40% of minecraft sales. Crazy sweden taxes.
Like others have said, cost and income is directly proportional to your income bracket. If you are poor, you spend less on things, but it is still a large amount of your small income. The rich spend lots on things, because they make so much money.
[QUOTE=titopei;25122019]Give me liberty or Give me death![/QUOTE]
eat the rich
If/when I make $200K+ if I work in industry/research, I'd be happy to have half my money after the first 80K taken away.
[QUOTE=Bletotum;25121907]so notch sells minecraft and makes 100K+ a day, that is not his own hard work making his own game by himself?[/QUOTE]
lol yeah he coded a 1 bit game and makes more money than hard workers make
fairness
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;25121954]I was about to write about that but I didn't want to start the storm.
I honestly think communism has a good basis.
Except even the people filling the important jobs get paid shittily, so... meh.[/QUOTE]
I consider myself a Communist but arguing about it over the internet is pointless. Most people I've talked to are really misinformed on Communism so trying to educate them through arguments is a waste of everyones time.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;25122065]Like others have said, cost and income is directly proportional to your income bracket. If you are poor, you spend less on things, but it is still a large amount of your small income. The rich spend lots on things, because they make so much money.[/QUOTE]
i still don't think they spend enough to put a large dent in their 6+ digit incomes. i mean, how are there still people who have billion dollar fortunes? wouldn't they have spent most of it?
[QUOTE=Bletotum;25122064]I know he's rare, but if I were him and were losing higher for the sake of being more successful, I would view it as having been forced to give away free copies. Unrelatedly, notch only gets 40% of minecraft sales. Crazy sweden taxes.[/QUOTE]
Only 40% of 600K+ a week. That's enough to support many tens of families.
ever wonder why there are fat poor people
it isn't because they are lazy
it's because they are taxed a lot and can't afford decent, natural food and instead must buy pre processed, unhealthy shit
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;25122056]what are you talking about? what kind of expenses would cover most of a billion dollars?[/QUOTE]
Business costs. Rich people have private employees by the hundreds, and not just maids. Doctors, lawyers, accountants etc....
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;25122009]If somebody makes 1 billion dollars a year, their expenses probably cover most of that money. Giving away half of your money is stupid.
I hate the "hurr if you are rich then giving half of your money should be ok"
Its not. As a rich person, I hate the prospect of having to give away half of my income. We can barely afford staying rich in the first place.[/QUOTE]
My family had their home foreclosed because the interest rate near doubled, declared bankruptcy, and had to give up my college fund in order to pay for basic bills and food. We didn't have a home for a few months.
But obviously, the government should be much more concerned about you, because you can't afford to be "rich".
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25122093]lol yeah he coded a 1 bit game and makes more money than hard workers make
fairness[/QUOTE]
You do know 1 bit is monotone, right?
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25122093]lol yeah he coded a 1 bit game and makes more money than hard workers make
fairness[/QUOTE]
This is the kind of argument I hate the most.
It is ENTIRELY fair. People agree to buy the game from him, therefore a fair sale.
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;25122103]ever wonder why there are fat poor people
it isn't because they are lazy
it's because they are taxed a lot and can't afford decent, natural food and instead must buy pre processed, unhealthy shit[/QUOTE]
Its not because they are taxed a lot, its because they are poor in the first place. If you only make 50 bucks a week from unemployment checks, you would want to spend as little as you could on food. Fast food is insanely cheap.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;25122110]Business costs. Rich people have private employees by the hundreds, and not just maids. Doctors, lawyers, accountants etc....[/QUOTE]
Uh, businesses are separate from private people in tax law for a reason.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;25122110]Business costs. Rich people have private employees by the hundreds, and not just maids. Doctors, lawyers, accountants etc....[/QUOTE]
how come they still have billion dollar fortunes though? i don't understand how they can still have so much money in the bank if they are spending it all.
Bletotum: The inherent problem with things you say is that at some point you claimed that the poor were lazy, and that it is their own fault.
Hint: This makes you an asshole
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;25122009]
I hate the "hurr if you are rich then giving half of your money should be ok"
Its not. As a rich person, I hate the prospect of having to give away half of my income. We can barely afford staying rich in the first place.[/QUOTE]
It is very common for poor to middle class people (and even rich people who "pity" the poor) to want to tax the rich more, it is the sheer volume. It is popular to hate the rich because there is never as many rich as there is poor.
That said, fuck taxes. I don't care what religion or creed or how much money you have in the bank. Fuck taxes. It doesn't pay for giving money to the poor, it pays for giving guns to the military, wasting, legislating your life, your morality, your choices. A very very very very very very very very very very very small fraction of taxes actually goes to the poor. That is because the government is inefficient because it [b]isn't their money[/b].
It's easy to spend other peoples money haphazardly. It isn't easy to stick to your virtues in time of hardship.
Most people tie happiness directly to economic prosperity, that is cynical and you are a horrible person if you believe that to be true. Starving and homeless is one thing, eating shit food and having a shit car is another thing entirely.
tl;dr you are all being bribed by the government.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25122093]lol yeah he coded a 1 bit game and makes more money than hard workers make
fairness[/QUOTE]
Its called capitalism. People who actually apply themselves other than doing a daily grind at a shit job, will naturally do better.
If you want everybody to get same pay for same work, go to north korea or some other communist country.
Fun Fact:
Income Tax is Uncostitutional.
[QUOTE=that1dude24;25122112]My family had their home foreclosed because the interest rate near doubled, declared bankruptcy, and had to give up my college fund in order to pay for basic bills and food. We didn't have a home for a few months.
But obviously, the government should be much more concerned about you, because you can't afford to be "rich".[/QUOTE]
What you're saying is the exact thing I'm saying here. Your interest got higher, consider that a percentage. In the ideality I'm trying to explain, it would not have doubled because you'd pay a flat percentage of what you earn. You would not have lost your home.
hell, I never had a college fund to begin with
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;25122151]how come they still have billion dollar fortunes though? i don't understand how they can still have so much money in the bank if they are spending it all.[/QUOTE]
Ever hear of saving money? Rich hoard the money they don't spend.
[QUOTE=s0beit;25122164]It is very common for poor to middle class people (and even rich people who "pity" the poor) to want to tax the rich more, it is the sheer volume. It is popular to hate the rich because there is never as many rich as there is poor.
That said, fuck taxes. I don't care what religion or creed or how much money you have in the bank. Fuck taxes. It doesn't pay for giving money to the poor, it pays for giving guns to the military, wasting, legislating your life, your morality, your choices. A very very very very very very very very very very very small fraction of taxes actually goes to the poor. That is because the government is inefficient because it [b]isn't their money[/b].
It's easy to spend other peoples money haphazardly. It isn't easy to stick to your virtues in time of hardship.
tl;dr you are all being bribed by the government.[/QUOTE]
do you like driving down roads? having public transportation? living in a city? having social programs? taxes pay for EVERYTHING the government does ok. without taxes you'd be living in a 3rd world shit hole.
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[QUOTE=Uberman77883;25122197]Ever hear of saving money? Rich hoard the money they don't spend.[/QUOTE]
how can they afford to hoard so much money? i was under the impression that rich people had to spent most of their VAST incomes. if they can afford to hoard such huge amounts they can afford to pay more taxes
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;25122197]Ever hear of saving money? Rich hoard the money they don't spend.[/QUOTE]
which is actually most of it. Which goes to further the point that they need their income's taxed more, because money in the bank is not money helping the economy, and beyond a point is not money you need.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;25122176]Its called capitalism. People who actually apply themselves other than doing a daily grind at a shit job, will naturally do better.
If you want everybody to get same pay for same work, go to north korea or some other communist country.[/QUOTE]
North Korea isn't Communist, just putting it out there..
[QUOTE=s0beit;25122164]That is because the government is inefficient because it [b]isn't their money[/b].[/QUOTE]
I would prefer nobody pay taxes in the first place.
The goddamn government should find a way to make money on it's own.
Let the cities raise money honestly from it's citizens if it wants a better road. If the citizens care they'll donate. edit for lachzor: What the fuck, the only way we'd be a third world country without tax is if we wanted that.
eventually you'd be fucking tired of your bumpy ass road and donate a little bit
What the fuck does someone do with over 200K a year anyway?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;25122199]do you like driving down roads? having public transportation? living in a city? having social programs? taxes pay for EVERYTHING the government does ok. without taxes you'd be living in a 3rd world shit hole.
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how can they afford to hoard so much money? i was under the impression that rich people had to spent most of their VAST incomes. if they can afford to hoard such huge amounts they can afford to pay more taxes[/QUOTE]
I can tell you first hand, as a person who lives in a technically rich income bracket, my family can BARELY afford to stay rich. When you get more money, you spend more money. It is directly proportional, you have to save all you can to prepare for any kind of instability or you WILL lose all of your money and go broke.
[QUOTE=Bletotum;25122245]I would prefer nobody pay taxes in the first place.
The goddamn government should find a way to make money on it's own.
Let the cities raise money honestly from it's citizens if it wants a better road. If the citizens care they'll donate.[/QUOTE]
sounds like a anarchist commune to me.
[QUOTE=Stupideye;25122243]North Korea isn't Communist, just putting it out there..[/QUOTE]
Technically speaking North Korea doesn't even have an economy.
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