[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50764526]What exactly is the reasoning behind that? It seems that using nukes against something like sarin gas is momentously extreme.[/QUOTE]
If you don't have a nerve agent to retaliate with, how else are you supposed to deter their use against you? You can't go down the escalation ladder; conventional weapons aren't in the same league as nerve agents. Your only option is to go up to tactical nuclear weapons.
[editline]24th July 2016[/editline]
The British would probably have used nuclear weapons in the Gulf War as well if Saddam gassed British troops. Royal Navy vessels at the time still carried WE.177A tactical nuclear bombs that were used as depth charges for their helicopters that were also compatible with RAF aircraft.
[quote]Bismarck damage map at the time of her sinking on May 27th 1941[/quote]
[img]https://my.mixtape.moe/yzznhl.jpg[/img]
[quote]Desert Storm- Burning oil wells blackening the sky in Bagdhad during the three weeks of coalition air strikes.[/quote]
[t]https://my.mixtape.moe/qxbxgu.jpg[/t]
[quote]Vietnam- American soldiers and Vietnamese civilians examine some horseshoe crabs at the beach.[/quote]
[t]https://my.mixtape.moe/bblkox.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=download;50765010]If you don't have a nerve agent to retaliate with, how else are you supposed to deter their use against you? You can't go down the escalation ladder; conventional weapons aren't in the same league as nerve agents. Your only option is to go up to tactical nuclear weapons.
[editline]24th July 2016[/editline]
The British would probably have used nuclear weapons in the Gulf War as well if Saddam gassed British troops. Royal Navy vessels at the time still carried WE.177A tactical nuclear bombs that were used as depth charges for their helicopters that were also compatible with RAF aircraft.[/QUOTE]
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_All_Bombs]But there are conventional weapons clearly more powerful than nerve agents[/url]
[editline]23rd July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=gman003-main;50764605]Nukes can be small. The B57 pictured has a maximum yield of 20kt, downright tiny for a nuke. The B61 pictured had a setting (it's a Dial-a-Yield bomb) as low as 300 tons, which is within an order of magnitude of the largest non-nuclear bombs. So it's suitably sized for tactical battlefield use - taking out an artillery position that's firing gas shells, for example.
And yes, it *is* overkill, deliberately. Our nuclear arsenal scares the crap out of everyone, and knowing that an anthrax or sarin attack will be met with hydrogen bombs means that nobody wants to escalate that far. It works - during both Gulf Wars, Saddam didn't use chemical weapons on Coalition forces, despite possessing rather large stocks of them.
And because deterrence with nukes works, America scrapped and destroyed its bioweapons stockpiles, and is in the process of destroying its chemical weapons stockpiles. They're dangerous to *us* just to have around, so it's overall safer for everyone. America eliminating its stockpiles let Russia safely eliminate their stockpiles, since they no longer have to fear such an attack from the US, again making the world and themselves safer. (And I've heard they have a similar policy but I haven't been able to confirm)[/QUOTE]
Except a chemical attack can spread as small as a few city blocks where as even the smallest of nuclear bombs will completely devastate an entire city. Even the must up-scaled chemical weapon barely comes out even with the lowest-scaled nuclear blast.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50765142][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_All_Bombs]But there are conventional weapons clearly more powerful than nerve agents[/url][/quote]
Nope.
Chemical weapons can be fired from most artillery guns and the smallest of attack aircraft. A weapon hat size requires a strategic bomber.
[quote]Except a chemical attack can spread as small as a few city blocks where as even the smallest of nuclear bombs will completely devastate an entire city. Even the must up-scaled chemical weapon barely comes out even with the lowest-scaled nuclear blast.[/QUOTE]
Also wrong. You're also making the mistake of thinking cities would be targets.
Chemical weapons are designed to kill people. Cities are where people are?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50765192]Chemical weapons are designed to kill people. Cities are where people are?[/QUOTE]
When you use a weapon you use it to achieve an objective. In the context of the Gulf War, using such a weapon against civilians doesn't achieve anything.
If the US was reponding to a chemical attack it would use nuclear (or chemical if they had them) weapons against the artillery position that fired them, the airfields that launched the air attack, the depot where the weapons are stored, and the chemical plant where they are made.
Your comment shows an incredible amount of naivety on the topic, passing Sobotnik's comments on the matter.
[editline]24th July 2016[/editline]
You've also failed to realise that responding with nuclear weapons crosses a clear line and gives an example to the rest of the world.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50765192]Chemical weapons are designed to kill people. Cities are where people are?[/QUOTE]
Most chemical weapons are designed for use against military targets. If you have NBC-protective gear, you're still heavily impaired by it, and it can deny terrain for a long period of time by battlefield standards. Without protective gear, it's very effective at wounding massive numbers of people - which in a military context is preferable to killing them. A dead soldier gets picked up after the battle is over. A wounded soldier has to be carried back on a stretcher, pulling twice as many personnel or more away from the fight. Chemical weapons were also good at penetrating fortifications and vehicles, at least traditionally - modern fighting vehicles are hardened against NBC attack.
Chemical weapons are really only good against a civilian population for terrorism or genocide, not strategic warfare, where you want to disrupt an enemy's ability to produce munitions and materiel. Mustard gas could kill the workers but would leave the factories standing, just waiting for new workers. A regular bomb would work better.
[editline]24th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50765142]Except a chemical attack can spread as small as a few city blocks where as even the smallest of nuclear bombs will completely devastate an entire city. Even the must up-scaled chemical weapon barely comes out even with the lowest-scaled nuclear blast.[/QUOTE]
The smallest of nuclear bombs is the 10-ton yield setting on the SADM nuclear munition, designed for special operations usage. This would not devastate an entire city, not by a long shot. Even the kiloton-scale nukes would not level most large cities - it would take a truly massive warhead to destroy a city on the scale of NYC or London.
But more than that, you seem to not understand where chemical weapons would be used. They are, almost universally, [I]tactical[/I] weapons. They are used on the battlefield, on the front lines, not on the home front. A chemical WMD attack of that sort would be responded to with a nuclear attack [I]of that sort[/I]. Bush would not have nuked Baghdad had Saddam used gas shells against attacking forces - we would have used them against military forces, the artillery formations that fired the shells or the airfields the bombers flew from. If nukes were used at all - the policy is only that we [I]may[/I] respond to any WMD attack as though it were nuclear, not that we [I]must[/I]. It's tied into our no-first-use policy - we will not use nuclear weapons against a force that has not used weapons of mass destruction.
[editline]24th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=download;50765208]You've also failed to realise that responding with nuclear weapons crosses a clear line and gives an example to the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]
Expanding on this point:
The WMD equivalence principle takes the for-the-love-of-god-do-not-cross-this-line of nuclear weapons, and moves it downward. Nuclear-armed nations are afraid of using their nukes for fear of provoking a nuclear response. America treating chemical or biological weapons as though they were nukes means that every nation possessing them will stay south of that line, [I]because[/I] no amount of chemical or biological weapons can match the instant lethality of the American nuclear arsenal.
The England to France crossing after France increases security checks
[img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/23/21/368A2A5700000578-3704887-image-a-16_1469304854441.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/24/01/36871A9E00000578-3704887-image-a-17_1469321087952.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/23/12/368711CB00000578-3704565-image-a-26_1469271777266.jpg[/img]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0CYp2tN.jpg[/IMG]
Thought this was neat and interesting but not really funny, so I'm dropping it here.
[t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Indonesia_Ethnic_Groups_Map_English.svg/2000px-Indonesia_Ethnic_Groups_Map_English.svg.png[/t]
Ethnic map of Indonesia.
[i]The suburbs of Toronto Canada, 50 years ago.[/i]
[img]http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/09/201198-Don-Mills-mall.jpg[/img][img]http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/09/201197-suburbs-eglinto-near-kennedy-f1257_s1057_it8656.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/09/20100814-scar1961.jpg[/img][img]http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/09/201198-drive-in-kennedy-better-s0065_fl0160_it0010.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/09/201198-scarborough-s1464_fl0002_id0001.jpg[/img][img]http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/09/20197-suburbs-north-york-1964-f0217_s0249_fl0133_it0016.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/09/201197-suburbs-west-dean-park-1961-s1464_fl0021_id0003.jpg[/img][img]http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/09/201197-suburbs-near-queensway-royal-york-1961-s1464_fl0017_id0009.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/09/201197-suburbs-near-queensway-royal-york-s1464_fl0017_id0013.jpg[/img][img]http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/09/201197-suburbs-etobicoke-1960s-s1464_fl0002_id0011.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/09/201197-suburbs-strip-mall-etobicoke-1960s-s1464_fl0003_id0002.jpg[/img][img]http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/09/201197-suburb-anon-1960-s1464_fl0002_id0007.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/09/201197-suburbs-anon-1963-s1464_fl0019_id0004.jpg[/img][img]http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/09/201197-suburbs-dufferin-401--1960-s0065_fl0050_id0007.jpg[/img]
Just found these, couldn't not share them
[T]https://puu.sh/qeSyv/4c73c4b18f.jpg[/T] [T]https://puu.sh/qeSyK/3ff802ad1a.jpg[/T]
Fuckin' perfect shots, cant imagine what it must've been like for this to just be a thing that happens. But i suppose sometime they'll be saying that about something we'd consider mundane today, best get your photos of the city bus for the foamers of tomorrow
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;50776811]Just found these, couldn't not share them
[T]https://puu.sh/qeSyv/4c73c4b18f.jpg[/T] [T]https://puu.sh/qeSyK/3ff802ad1a.jpg[/T]
Fuckin' perfect shots, cant imagine what it must've been like for this to just be a thing that happens. But i suppose sometime they'll be saying that about something we'd consider mundane today, best get your photos of the city bus for the foamers of tomorrow[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of a book I had filled with pictures like that of old steam engines called The Spirit of Steam. In fact, I believe one of those is in it. I wish my scanner hadn't died on me cause there's some really nice pics in there
[IMG]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2007/07/28/us/crash600.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE]A photo taken by a reporter from The Arizona Republic newspaper catches the immediate aftermath of two news helicopters colliding in Phoenix, AZ on July 27th, 2007. The helicopters were filming a police chase in the area when N215TV from ABC 15 (on the right) drifted into the path of N613TV from Channel 3 (on the left) and collided, sending both crashing into Steele Indian School Park. All four aboard both helicopters died in the crash.
The videos below show the ABC 15 broadcast at the moment of the crash, and the one below that is a 3D simulation of the events of the crash.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;V0wPrf6aCBU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0wPrf6aCBU[/video]
[video=youtube;nyQygLTqDUo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyQygLTqDUo[/video]
[vid]http://i.imgur.com/B5luOWO.webm[/vid]
I wonder how sensitive the amputated foot is. They've taken care to reattached the nerves so she can maintain full control over the ankle joint, but I wonder if they've extended it to ever nerve.
[QUOTE=racerfan;50787244]
[video=youtube;V0wPrf6aCBU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0wPrf6aCBU[/video]
[/QUOTE]
Ugh, the moment they cut back to the news station you can hear a faint scream. Just awful.
[QUOTE=meppers;50787553][vid]http://i.imgur.com/B5luOWO.webm[/vid][/QUOTE]
Fuck it I much rather have my legs both amputated
At least its symmetrical
Posted earlier in Coolest/ugliest weapons:
Today was the day the Korean war ceasefire was signed:
[IMG]https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2016/07/remembering-the-korean-war/k02_AP50010101603/main_1500.jpg?1469643436[/IMG]
[QUOTE]In this undated photo from North Korea's official Korean Central News Agency, distributed by Korea News Service, North Korean combatants plunge together with the tank unit in Seoul during the Korean War. #
[/QUOTE]
[IMG]https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2016/07/remembering-the-korean-war/k08_517823516/main_1500.jpg?1469643436[/IMG]
[QUOTE]This picture was taken by a USAF RF-80 photo reconnaissance plane of actual strafing attacks by 5th Air Force planes on North Korean targets. This shows a small village housing North Korean vehicles and troops. Burning jeep in the background and a T-3V Tank. #
[/QUOTE]
[img]https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2016/07/remembering-the-korean-war/k37_AP5306181172/main_1500.jpg?1469643436[/img]
[QUOTE]GIs and Korean service corpsmen stack up an enormous pile of empty artillery and mortar shell casings at a collecting point near the front, pointing to the huge amount of lead thrown at the enemy in four days of fighting for outpost Harry, on June 18, 1953. #
[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2016/07/remembering-the-korean-war/493235/[/url]
I wonder what they do with spent casings like that. Do they get recycled?
[vid]http://i.imgur.com/EJv9mhk.mp4[/vid]
[sp]it's an atlas v rocket[/sp]
Fucking chemtrails I tell you
[editline]2nd August 2016[/editline]
This is fucking hypnotizing
[video=youtube;V87VXA6gPuE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V87VXA6gPuE[/video]
[img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/cfc5d5b37585791052f9e209a96d0a16/tumblr_obaqu669si1qkbpm3o1_1280.jpg[/img]
[i]A leopard with a unique eye lifts her head after a hunt in Botswana. Photograph by Wayne Wetherbee.[/i]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50786088][IMG]http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/02900/02919v.jpg[/IMG]
(1920, US)[/QUOTE]
Looks like she's gonna reach the top next year
[editline]3rd August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50786088][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/gVbeUXe.jpg[/IMG]
(1898, US)[/QUOTE]
But Florida wasn't American in 1798, and why exclude the Philippines?
"manila"
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50786088]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/gVbeUXe.jpg[/img]
(1898, US)[/QUOTE]
ah, I remember the good old days before they invented mexico
[IMG]https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2016/08/3800-inmates-crammed-into-a-philipp/q23_584673032/main_1500.jpg?1470244116[/IMG]
[QUOTE]inmates sleep on the ground of an open basketball court in the crowded Quezon City jail in Manila on July 21, 2016. #
[/QUOTE]
[IMG]https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2016/08/3800-inmates-crammed-into-a-philipp/q15_584673036/main_1500.jpg?1470244116[/IMG]
[QUOTE]Inmates sleep on the ground of an open basketball court on July 21, 2016. #
[/QUOTE]
[IMG]https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2016/08/3800-inmates-crammed-into-a-philipp/q01_584671940/main_1500.jpg?1470244116[/IMG]
[QUOTE]Inmates sleep on the steps of a staircase inside the Quezon City jail at night in Manila on July 21, 2016. #
[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2016/08/3800-inmates-crammed-into-a-philippine-jail-built-for-800/494315/[/url]
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.
Auxiliary Pics V BRUTALISM 𝔸 𝔼 𝕊 𝕋 ℍ 𝔼 𝕋 𝕀 ℂ
