Not necessarily bad, it depends on how bad you push yourself (but then again, this applies to everyone). If you drink so much that you puke absolutely everywhere, then that's probably a sign of taking it too far. You can still have the time of your life and barely be able to walk without ending up like that. Just don't do it at midnight and walk the streets with your friends acting like a bunch of hooligans, I'm surprised no police came for that (was still a great night).
So yeah, as long as you don't push your body and keep it on private property, it's fine. Best thing to consider is not to cause harm to yourself or others. I'm not justifying the events I've been through though, those shouldn't have happened but hey, you only live once (not using that as a justification, but rather the reason I've done stuff like that anyways).
Theres chicks as old as 14 or even 13 drinking here just to "feel cool and because going out at friday night woooo".
In short, gotta get down on friday.
But I guess its ok since its once in a full moon...
I have no problem with underage drinking as long as the parties involved are responsible with it. It's one thing to have a couple of beers every now and then to relax. It's quite another to go out every Friday with the sole intention of getting plastered.
tbh the main reason underage drinking goes so wrong a lot is because of the availability of super-strength shitty cider at low prices (well, it's to blame for a lot of things) because obviously it's actually not that hard to get a drink underage, and at that age you haven't often experienced what a good drink is like so you basically go for value for money - and when it's less than a fiver for 2-3l of 6% cider it doesn't come much better in a units per pound sense.
Most people aren't mature enough so they ruin it for those who are. The drinking age should be lowered to 16.
[QUOTE=maximizer39;35111361]Most people aren't mature enough so they ruin it for those who are. The drinking age should be lowered to 16.[/QUOTE]
IMO 18 in the US. Lowering it by 5 years sounds like too much, so suddenly. People need to get used to that shit
I don't feel comfortable with people trying to learn how to drive if they drink. Your first few years at the wheel are the unsteadiest, and if there's a chance you'll get drunk, you'd be a massive risk to not only yourself but those around you.
Kids get a lot of shit lumped on them and labelled as "trying to impress the crowd" but the fact is the vast majority of alcohol consuming "adults" that go out clubbing every weekend and get blind drunk are pathetically immature and are actually less responsible in their alcohol consumption and actions than teenagers are, so paint me indifferent.
I don't know if it's just a by product of our culture, but people in western society don't seem to actually mature until they hit their 30s. Uni students are the fucking worst when it comes to this btw.
yes and that is because maturity is awful
ITS TOTTALLLY GREAET U R AWSME IF U DRK YNG CUSE YRE BADD SS BROO
Nah, just joking, but I started drinking at 17 and ALL my friends when they were 15. I felt like Barney when he is the designated driver all the time.
What is the fascination with drinking? Beer tastes like shit anyway and same goes for all the other alcoholic beverages that I have tried. People tell me "Oh you have to drink a lot of it until you start enjoying it." That just means that you talk yourself into liking it when in reality, it is still shit.
i only enjoy drinking if its a nice bourbon or wine or gin after a long day at work
the only other reason to drink is to get laid
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;35187965]What is the fascination with drinking? Beer tastes like shit anyway and same goes for all the other alcoholic beverages that I have tried. People tell me "Oh you have to drink a lot of it until you start enjoying it." That just means that you talk yourself into liking it when in reality, it is still shit.[/QUOTE]
There are many experiences that are shit the first time but become heavily enjoyable after experience, Dwarf Fortress for example. It's not a matter of talking yourself into it or it wouldn't be such a wide spread phenomena, it is about not being deterred by first impressions and giving it a chance.
Shit tasting is subjective, people learn to love things that they hated at first, and they learn to hate things they loved. Alcohol is no different to spicy food in that way.
I was 18 when I started drinking, and not much at that; now I hardly touch the stuff apart from the odd social event/dinner. It's not that I was driven off it, its just it never really interested me that much.
I do remember studies that claim alcohol can have an adverse affect on the developing brain, but it seems all the publicized ones are focused on heavy binge-drinking and related deaths, not casual one a week 'mood enhancing' drinking so its hard to offer a direct opinion.
More or less, I'm not going to say is a huge problem, but why take the risk; hell if anything its over-rated anyway.
I think the problem with alcohol is that it is engrained into the culture of the world now. Eventually, it will hopefully start to become looked down upon like tobacco is slowly becoming. This is not a fast process, it will probably take several hundred years before the problem is solved.
To be honest, it should be banned entirely. But if that happened now, it would just breed a black market of potentially impure alcohol (either intentionally or unintentionally made impure by the supplier or creator of the product).
There's much safer drugs that will give you a better experience than alcohol, but because it's a social norm more people will adopt drinking rather than turning to illegal drugs like marijuana because of perceived danger (getting robbed, killed etc) or propaganda that makes them think it will cause medical problems for them.
some kids just enjoy it because it makes them a little tipsy. they know theyre limits. My girlfriend is one of those people. She is 17 but partakes in that. She openly tells me that she would never get to the point of blackout drunk because its not fun anymore.
Now there are kids that go out to get blackout drunk, which i just don't get. You don't remember your night and you risk nearly killing yourself if you go too far
you drink underage to get fucked up and party and its usually alongside ganja so your really fucked up and your dancing like insane and hooking up with every girl just like licking them
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;35187965]What is the fascination with drinking? Beer tastes like shit anyway and same goes for all the other alcoholic beverages that I have tried. People tell me "Oh you have to drink a lot of it until you start enjoying it." That just means that you talk yourself into liking it when in reality, it is still shit.[/QUOTE]
we must be drinking completely different stuff then because my prime reason to drink alcoholic drinks is because I like the damn taste.
Really it more depends on what age you mean when you say under-age. Like 18-20 it's alright as long as you don't binge, but on someone like 10 (yes that has happened) it can really mess you up.
There's a real reason why the drinking age is conveniently set so that you can drink once you get out of gradeschool, because high-schoolers are idiots, most of the experiences listed here are from kids that are presumably intelligent. You all should note, most high-schoolers are not intelligent.
I went away on a class trip to italy just a couple weeks ago, the drinking age there is 16, and when 16 year olds can get openly drunk, oh boy, do they ever, moreso because of their peers than because of their actual want to drink.
I guess since I've lived among two different cultures I can give my two cents. In the states I notice that a lot of my peers treated drinking in an irresponsible manner; and it often led to serious consequences. I'm not going to say that all American teens are irresponsible drinkers, but a lot of people I know are.
Now, I moved to Greece and the culture completely changes. There's no set limit for drinking in pubs/tavernas, and you can purchase any alcohol at any store at any age. You know what's odd? There doesn't seem to be as big of an issue here as I've seen in the states. It's treated very casually here rather than "The Forbidden Fruit" mentality us Americans often have.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;35210890]I guess since I've lived among two different cultures I can give my two cents. In the states I notice that a lot of my peers treated drinking in an irresponsible manner; and it often led to serious consequences. I'm not going to say that all American teens are irresponsible drinkers, but a lot of people I know are.
Now, I moved to Greece and the culture completely changes. There's no set limit for drinking in pubs/tavernas, and you can purchase any alcohol at any store at any age. You know what's odd? There doesn't seem to be as big of an issue here as I've seen in the states. It's treated very casually here rather than "The Forbidden Fruit" mentality us Americans often have.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and now greece is doing so well with that mentality, look how their economy has prospered in... you get the point. (That's a joke by the way.)
The truth is, it really is a drug, one that has very very little upsides to it. I myself am for completely legalization of anything that does not harm anyone but yourself, but not among minors, because the truth is, minors are really, really, really bad decision makers, in order to be a good drinker, you have to drink responsibly, and minors can barely do anything responsibly.
I started drinking when I was a minor (a few months before my 17th birthday - I'm pretty big + a lot of places aren't stringent on ID before 9-10) and I only got really drunk once or twice. I think that I probably went through all that in a fairly responsible way because I actually started drinking at pubs in town - and I'm not talking about schlubby drinking dens with 2 widescreen sky tellys and a sticky carpet, I actually started going to real ale pubs and stuff - and the atmosphere is so different. I think it's not necessarily about people starting too young or whatever - it's an issue of role models. I hung out with people of pretty much all ages who drank for the pleasure of drinking a good beer and talking to people, I learned that you don't have to even get tipsy to have a good night out. Essentially I learned moderation and how to pace my drinking, and that it's not how drunk you get, but how you enjoy what you're doing and drinking.
also how does alcohol have few upsides? Have you ever experienced a good drink?
[QUOTE=lil timmy;35211508]I started drinking when I was a minor (a few months before my 17th birthday - I'm pretty big + a lot of places aren't stringent on ID before 9-10) and I only got really drunk once or twice. I think that I probably went through all that in a fairly responsible way because I actually started drinking at pubs in town - and I'm not talking about schlubby drinking dens with 2 widescreen sky tellys and a sticky carpet, I actually started going to real ale pubs and stuff - and the atmosphere is so different. I think it's not necessarily about people starting too young or whatever - it's an issue of role models. I hung out with people of pretty much all ages who drank for the pleasure of drinking a good beer and talking to people, I learned that you don't have to even get tipsy to have a good night out. Essentially I learned moderation and how to pace my drinking, and that it's not how drunk you get, but how you enjoy what you're doing and drinking.
also how does alcohol have few upsides? Have you ever experienced a good drink?[/QUOTE]
It's all about mentality, rather than the actual alcohol itself, chemically, alcohol only makes you less intelligent, which in turn lowers your inhibitions and instinct, none of that is a good thing. When you go out drinking, you talk about stuff, which is why people love it, but you really shouldn't need alcohol to do that, in fact, alcohol just makes the conversations worse. The other upside is it lets you bang similarly drunk people, but in all actuality, if you're just drinking so you can bang drunk chicks, you aren't that much better than date rapists.
Have you ever actually been out drinking at all? Ever? Have you even been inside a nice bar?
Let's set a few things straight - I enjoy drinking. I enjoy the sensation of alcohol taking effect - whether it be one pint of beer at lunch or a special night out. I generally buy and drink quality products that I really enjoy the taste of - a good whiskey or beer or wine is the same as enjoying a good meal or a good book. The brain on alcohol, by the way, is not necessarily "less intelligent" yes, your reactions are slowed and if you drink enough your higher functions are impaired (I've been there myself) but A: conversation is eased - the wheels of socialising are greased - and since you're more relaxed, things flow better. You don't need a lot for that to happen - I feel a lot more at ease after 2 drinks or so.
And seriously, are you implying that people who go out to drink are always out to take advantage of other drunk people for sex? That's a minority of people and it's an awful example. I'm beginning to think that you really haven't ever been out for a drink - or if you did, you went out with the wrong crowd.
[QUOTE=Black Milano;35030659]Victimless crime. They're ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
It's a victimless crime UNTIL the drunkard goes drive a car and crash or worse, killed someone by knocking them down.
Drinking is bad for you and kills you.
Doing it earlier just means you're not gonna be fully developed.
well yes drinking can kill you if you go wildly overboard with it on a regular basis. Normal, responsible drinking - depending on which studies you read - either has fairly minimal effects, negligible effects or minor positive effects.
And frankly I'm not bothered which one of those it is.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;35211664]It's all about mentality, rather than the actual alcohol itself, chemically, alcohol only makes you less intelligent, which in turn lowers your inhibitions and instinct, none of that is a good thing. When you go out drinking, you talk about stuff, which is why people love it, but you really shouldn't need alcohol to do that, in fact, alcohol just makes the conversations worse. The other upside is it lets you bang similarly drunk people, but in all actuality, if you're just drinking so you can bang drunk chicks, you aren't that much better than date rapists.[/QUOTE]
Get off it. Who cares if you are less intelligent while intoxicated, you aren't going to doing particularly brain intensive tasks then anyway. Inhibitions do lower, that IS a good thing because most people are way too deep in their self-consciousness that they don't realise they're fine, alcohol forces them to let their guard down and see what happens. Instinct is a broad term but along with the decline in higher functions, base functions become more predominant. What falls is your sensory input, reaction time and strangely enough you cannot automatically read emotion on people's faces, trust me it's far more difficult.
"Conversations worse", that's a lovely statement. Lowering inhibitions can make you more trusting and connect better with someone because you aren't overthinking it, unless your normal conversations are on Consequentialism vs. Deontologicalism and your brain forbids you from talking about anything less. Also your statement on drunk sex is hilariously wrong, I'd recommend you look into the actual effects of alcohol in normal occurances rather than the far end.
like 90% of the arguments against drinking in this thread just lend credence to the idea that people on the internet probably don't get out much
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