[QUOTE=David29;40828908]Yes it would. If you had purchased the game originally, you would have still discovered that you loved the Crysis series. And you can't prove you wouldn't have purchased it at some point. There is always the potential that you might buy a game - the only exception being if you genuinely do not want to play the game, in which case you wouldn't bother to pirate it in the first place.
"Look, a chocolate bar brand I have never heard of before! I'm going to steal it - but that is ok because I will now have an awareness of that particular brand! Everyone is a winner!"
You could download games fine but not watch videos? That sounds dubious at best. Besides, plenty of other sources of information exist which you can use.
Again - do proper research. If money is so tight for you at the moment the logical approach would be to do as much research as possible prior to buying a game to establish it's features and whether or not it is right for you. Your example is weak because if you had done some research you would have found out how C&C4 differed from previous titles.
No. It was more than that. Don't make assumptions like that.
Ok, now you are just sounding like a jerk.
I have no job. I am poor. I am [b]severely[/b] restricted as to what games I can buy. Have I ever regretted buying a game? Yes, once. Did I use it for justifying piracy? No.
What? Jesus Christ, no it's not. Pirating a song is illegally downloading a copy. What you are saying is that you are pirating music every time you listen to a song on the radio. If you actually want to continue with that argument then you are a monumental idiot.
You're right. Watching a video game isn't - that's my point. However, the 'owner' of a game is not the copyright holder. They just hold a copy of the game. They do not have the right to pass a copy of the game to anyone else. If you think they do, then you need to brush up on the basics of copyright law.
No. What you are talking about is obtaining a copy of the music - just like obtaining a copy of a game. You do not obtain a copy of a song by 'listening' to it - 'listening' is a biological function in which your brain makes use of your ears to process soundwaves. You must be some sort of strange cyborg if you can stream files to your computer hard drive by listening to something.
Negatory.
Admittedly YouTube is a grey area - but the official line from YouTube is that all music that is used in the videos is either provided directly by the original copyright holder or is allowed to be used with their permission. The fact that they do actively enforce this rule by removing audio from videos that violates this rule proves this fact. Thus people who go to YouTube and listen to music do so on the assumption that they are doing so legally.
Game reselling is a grey area for me and I'm not sure if I am for or against it. All I will say is that it is only acceptable as long as the original owner does not hold onto a copy of the game after resale/giving it away.
Actually, I was referring to the millions of people who are being inconvenienced by shitty DRM. Yes, the games developers and publishers are responsible for making the shitty DRM and they share some of the blame - but ultimately you are the root cause. Think about it - you are part of the reason why bad DRM exists.
I swear to God, if I ever catch you bitching about DRM...
Then do something else - something more proactive than piracy. Boycott their games. Bitch to the developers and publishers if you have to. It does work (see EA reference SimCity 5).
No. Piracy = bad[b].[/b] Full stop. There is no justification for piracy. It hurts sales - and there is no evidence that the weak justifications you presented (e.g. recommendations) actually offset this enough to not make it an issue (or if they offset it at all). It hurts everyone - and incidentally the people who get hurt most are the ones who deserve to be hurt the least (such as indie developers and the average Joe honest customer).
You say you can't afford games - then wait until the prices drop. You say you don't know what the game is like - then do some research. Ultimately, piracy is the product of greed, lack of patience and a refusal to take responsibility.[/QUOTE]
Im not going to replay and correct everything you said, there is simply too many wrong things, but I will correct a few big problems you said.
Firstly, In the past 5 years I have not purchased many big games, the ones I did purchase...
Crysis warhead, wars, 2, BF3, COD MW3, COD BO.
Those are the only games I have purchased (that are big - not indie).
I may have also purchased C&C3, but if I remember correctly it was longer than 5 years ago.
Now, I only bought MW3 and black ops for the ability to play multiplayer in zombies and the 'single player multi' thingy.
BF3 I have purchased that played it for 3 hours, and never touched again- hated that game.
I only purchased crysis because I have tried crysis before and loved it.
If I did not purchase crysis before ((as you can see)) I would have never tried it.
My computer could not run Crysis 2 very well, and it was not a very good game imo.
As we all know, I would have purchased Crysis 2 and not the older games which was why I loved crysis.
Crysis 2 is no where near as good as the originals, and even if I had purchased Crysis 2, I would have never recommended the original crysis series to anyone, nor bought the original games.
The problem with your statements is that you are comparing a digital copy; where it costs the company nothing to give it out for free to an item with takes time to make, produce, ship, etc.
You don't simply make one chocolate bar, and give it to millions of people.
You cannot play a song- you listen to it.
Think of it like this--- Pirating a song--- downloading it
Pirating a game -- downloading it
Now- do you play a song? or do you listen to a song?
I play a game, you cannot play a song, you listen to a song-- Streaming the song is the same as download it.
If I download the song, upload it to my website and allow EVERYONE to listen to it for free does that mean that I am the only one who pirated?
Well, I will stop correcting you there, and just ask you...
Have you ever played a game which was not yours?-- ie. borrowed a game from a friend?
Used an adblocker
watched a TV show and skipped over the ads
Looked at the website's content before the full webpage will done loading
looked at a non official YouTube video
Jailbroken/rooted your device
Overclocked your Hardware?
All of that can be classified as piracy--
Piracy is a slang term for getting something for nothing- and in most cases you will be doing one of the above things.
How about I will add this
Selling your Computer/couch/any device 2nd hand?
Currently when you buy a TV you know you can always sell it later on if you get a better one, or don't want it.
but what if I say you cannot?
That is exactly what game companies are doing. They are not allowing me to sell things that I bought, furthermore, they are not even allowing me to share my account, or give my games away for free.
The only reason they have for this is that they make more money by everyone having to buy a new copy of the game.
#edit
Just a little tip: There is no such thing as piracy- it is a made up term for getting something for nothing.
Listening to a song on the radio and not listening to the ads is one example-- but the difference is the radio stations are allowed to put those songs there, 99% of all youtubers are not. All those songs you hear in the background, in the intros and even endings are not allowed to be there- and you listening to them is the same as pirating.
Pirating does not necessarly mean downloading (when you stream a song it gets downloaded into a temp folder which gets deleted later), if this was true I could get one person to download a game, and we could all stream the game files from his computer and it would be perfectly legal and allowed.
[QUOTE=Kubar;40838361]Firstly, In the past 5 years I have not purchased many big games, the ones I did purchase...
Crysis warhead, wars, 2, BF3, COD MW3, COD BO.
Those are the only games I have purchased (that are big - not indie).
I may have also purchased C&C3, but if I remember correctly it was longer than 5 years ago.
Now, I only bought MW3 and black ops for the ability to play multiplayer in zombies and the 'single player multi' thingy.
BF3 I have purchased that played it for 3 hours, and never touched again- hated that game.
I only purchased crysis because I have tried crysis before and loved it.
If I did not purchase crysis before ((as you can see)) I would have never tried it.
My computer could not run Crysis 2 very well, and it was not a very good game imo.
As we all know, I would have purchased Crysis 2 and not the older games which was why I loved crysis.
Crysis 2 is no where near as good as the originals, and even if I had purchased Crysis 2, I would have never recommended the original crysis series to anyone, nor bought the original games.[/QUOTE]
Well, there is a demo for Crysis - so your whole argument is moot.
Also, stop saying "I would not have tried it" - because you cannot categorically prove that. If you pirate a game, it demonstrates at least some interest in said game. There is every possibility that you may have bought the game at some point in the future once the price had dropped to a level where your interest warranted buying the game.
[QUOTE=Kubar;40838361]The problem with your statements is that you are comparing a digital copy; where it costs the company nothing to give it out for free to an item with takes time to make, produce, ship, etc.
You don't simply make one chocolate bar, and give it to millions of people.[/QUOTE]
So it's wrong of me to compare physical goods to digital goods? Ok, I'll remember that...
But the point of my analogy was not regarding re-distribution but rather that there is a lost sale as a result and you taking benefit of the product without paying [b]appropriate[/b] and [b]accepted[/b] compensation - recommendations do not fall under either of those categories.
[QUOTE=Kubar;40838361]You cannot play a song- you listen to it.
Think of it like this--- Pirating a song--- downloading it
Pirating a game -- downloading it
Now- do you play a song? or do you listen to a song?
I play a game, you cannot play a song, you listen to a song-- Streaming the song is the same as download it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I do play songs. I go to iTunes and press the 'play' button. See how that works?
The problem is that your arguments are very badly worded. If, in your initial argument, you had just talked about downloading music instead of listening to it, it would have made things so much easier. Listening - as I noted previously - is the actual bodily process of hearing soundwaves. It does not download music to your computer - that is called 'downloading' (or 'streaming' under certain circumstances). By saying that listening to music is piracy, you are saying that a person could be sat in at work listening to a non-computer-based radio and you would be conducting piracy.
No. Music piracy is download a copy of a musical piece illegally from illegal sites. Game piracy is exactly the same thing.
[QUOTE=Kubar;40838361]If I download the song, upload it to my website and allow EVERYONE to listen to it for free does that mean that I am the only one who pirated?[/QUOTE]
It depends. If you claim that you have permission to us the music and everything is legal, then yes you are - as everyone that visits the website will be of the impression that they are doing nothing wrong. However, if the visitors knowingly download the music and are aware that you don't have permission to use it then they are conducting piracy.
[QUOTE=Kubar;40838361]Well, I will stop correcting you there, and just ask you...
Have you ever played a game which was not yours?-- ie. borrowed a game from a friend?
Used an adblocker
watched a TV show and skipped over the ads
Looked at the website's content before the full webpage will done loading
looked at a non official YouTube video
Jailbroken/rooted your device
Overclocked your Hardware?[/QUOTE]
Borrowed a game: Once, a long time ago back before I was aware of the issues surrounding piracy.
Ads: You clearly didn't read anything I said regarding these and why it's a completely irrelevant argument.
Website content: What? How the hell is that piracy in any shape or form?
YouTube: Again, you haven't read what I said about this and why all YouTube videos are fine to watch.
Jailbreaking/rooting my device: Never done that.
Overclocked hardware: Never done that.
[QUOTE=Kubar;40838361]All of that can be classified as piracy--
Piracy is a slang term for getting something for nothing- and in most cases you will be doing one of the above things.[/QUOTE]
No they can't. I think only one or two of the things you mentioned there comes close to piracy - which is only acting to reinforce the notion that you have no understanding of what piracy and copyright infringement actually is.
[QUOTE=Kubar;40838361]How about I will add this
Selling your Computer/couch/any device 2nd hand?
Currently when you buy a TV you know you can always sell it later on if you get a better one, or don't want it.
but what if I say you cannot?
That is exactly what game companies are doing. They are not allowing me to sell things that I bought, furthermore, they are not even allowing me to share my account, or give my games away for free.
The only reason they have for this is that they make more money by everyone having to buy a new copy of the game.[/QUOTE]
Remember earlier on in this post when I said:
"So it's wrong of me to compare physical goods to digital goods? Ok, I'll remember that..."
You're doing the exact same thing. Piracy advocates have this annoying tendency to call us out for comparing games to physical products - but then when it suites them they are happy to do exactly the same.
I accept they can't be compared - and that's why I do acknowledge the argument that piracy and theft isn't exactly the same. But there are differences between digital redistribution and physical redistribution very different. For one, digital products don't degrade and so it doesn't encourage re-buying of products. Furthermore, as I pointed out in my last post, a person can sell or give away a game and keep hold of a copy for themselves. This means that for every one copy sold, there could be one hundred redistributions made in a short amount of time - one hundred people having copies of the game for only one sale.
[QUOTE=Kubar;40838361]#edit
Just a little tip: There is no such thing as piracy- it is a made up term for getting something for nothing.
Listening to a song on the radio and not listening to the ads is one example-- but the difference is the radio stations are allowed to put those songs there, 99% of all youtubers are not. All those songs you hear in the background, in the intros and even endings are not allowed to be there- and you listening to them is the same as pirating.[/QUOTE]
No - you're just being silly now. You're making things up to try and match your arguments.
First - just trying to claim piracy is made up is just stupid. It's another name for copyright infringement - and I would like to see you deny that that exists as well.
Second - I have already explained how adverts and YouTube are terrible examples. I shall do so again for your benefit:
Adverts: You are not legally or morally obliged to watch adverts. TV and radio stations operate on the understanding that people may not watch/listen to their adverts. Clearly you don't understand how advertising works, because otherwise you would know that a radio station receives the same amount of money for an advert regardless of how many people are listening during the advert's slot.
YouTube: Videos are expected to adhere to the rules of YouTube by default and YouTube does act on anyone who breaks the rules. Therefore, people watch knowledge on the safe assumption that everything is legal. It's like if you went onto Wikipedia and someone had put up a load of child porn on a page you visit - would you have committed a crime for visiting that page? No - because the rules of Wikipedia mean that you rightfully visited that page expecting it to be safe and legal.
[QUOTE=Kubar;40838361]Pirating does not necessarly mean downloading (when you stream a song it gets downloaded into a temp folder which gets deleted later)[/QUOTE]
Er... You still downloaded it - ergo, streaming is downloading.
[QUOTE=Kubar;40838361]if this was true I could get one person to download a game, and we could all stream the game files from his computer and it would be perfectly legal and allowed.[/QUOTE]
What you are saying here makes no sense. Surely if it was true then that would make it [b]illegal[/b].
Overclocking a piece of hardware is the same as piracy? Reading a page before it fully loads is the same as piracy? Taking something you have no right to without paying is okay as long as you are now mentally aware of its existence?
Only in Kubar's world.
[QUOTE=Kubar;40838361]Im not going to replay and correct everything you said, there is simply too many wrong things, but I will correct a few big problems you said.
Firstly, In the past 5 years I have not purchased many big games, the ones I did purchase...
Crysis warhead, wars, 2, BF3, COD MW3, COD BO.
Those are the only games I have purchased (that are big - not indie).
I may have also purchased C&C3, but if I remember correctly it was longer than 5 years ago.
Now, I only bought MW3 and black ops for the ability to play multiplayer in zombies and the 'single player multi' thingy.
BF3 I have purchased that played it for 3 hours, and never touched again- hated that game.
I only purchased crysis because I have tried crysis before and loved it.
If I did not purchase crysis before ((as you can see)) I would have never tried it.
My computer could not run Crysis 2 very well, and it was not a very good game imo.
As we all know, I would have purchased Crysis 2 and not the older games which was why I loved crysis.
Crysis 2 is no where near as good as the originals, and even if I had purchased Crysis 2, I would have never recommended the original crysis series to anyone, nor bought the original games.
The problem with your statements is that you are comparing a digital copy; where it costs the company nothing to give it out for free to an item with takes time to make, produce, ship, etc.
You don't simply make one chocolate bar, and give it to millions of people.
You cannot play a song- you listen to it.
Think of it like this--- Pirating a song--- downloading it
Pirating a game -- downloading it
Now- do you play a song? or do you listen to a song?
I play a game, you cannot play a song, you listen to a song-- Streaming the song is the same as download it.
If I download the song, upload it to my website and allow EVERYONE to listen to it for free does that mean that I am the only one who pirated?
Well, I will stop correcting you there, and just ask you...
Have you ever played a game which was not yours?-- ie. borrowed a game from a friend?
Used an adblocker
watched a TV show and skipped over the ads
Looked at the website's content before the full webpage will done loading
looked at a non official YouTube video
Jailbroken/rooted your device
Overclocked your Hardware?
All of that can be classified as piracy--
Piracy is a slang term for getting something for nothing- and in most cases you will be doing one of the above things.
How about I will add this
Selling your Computer/couch/any device 2nd hand?
Currently when you buy a TV you know you can always sell it later on if you get a better one, or don't want it.
but what if I say you cannot?
That is exactly what game companies are doing. They are not allowing me to sell things that I bought, furthermore, they are not even allowing me to share my account, or give my games away for free.
The only reason they have for this is that they make more money by everyone having to buy a new copy of the game.
#edit
Just a little tip: There is no such thing as piracy- it is a made up term for getting something for nothing.
Listening to a song on the radio and not listening to the ads is one example-- but the difference is the radio stations are allowed to put those songs there, 99% of all youtubers are not. All those songs you hear in the background, in the intros and even endings are not allowed to be there- and you listening to them is the same as pirating.
Pirating does not necessarly mean downloading (when you stream a song it gets downloaded into a temp folder which gets deleted later), if this was true I could get one person to download a game, and we could all stream the game files from his computer and it would be perfectly legal and allowed.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia"]all this can be summarized in one single word.[/URL]
You're going on insane tangents and picking straws and making insane statements like nothing.
[U]People who are trying to troll/flame this thread are just wasting all of their time typing out gigantic comments...[/U]
Now, before people tell me how fucked up my views are, let me state them first.
[B][U]Software Piracy - Software piracy is the illegal copying, distribution, or use of software.[/U][/B]
So what is it that actually makes it illegal? It's the people who make copy after copy of games, and sell them for a different price, being higher or lower than the retail price, to make their own money. That's the bad part.
Now, personally, I have not heard of many people getting busted for piracy. I know it has happened, but I just haven't heard of it too much.
When someone buys a copy of Black Ops 2 from Best Buy, a portion of the sales go to Best Buy (because they are the people making it possible for Treyarch and Activision to make money), and the rest goes to Treyarch and Activision for being the real creators of the game. By copying a game that you didn't create, and then going out and selling it, you taking the entire profit, is piracy. The company is not getting it's money for rightfully making the game, so you are technically stealing.
Downloading a game from TPB to try specifically for your own use is just fine. The company doesn't make any money, and neither do you. So what's the problem?
I am literally 100% sick of people telling me that downloading games is illegal.
[QUOTE=Squerl101;40910578][B][U]Software Piracy - Software piracy is the illegal copying, distribution, or use of software.[/U][/B]
So what is it that actually makes it illegal? It's the people who make copy after copy of games, and sell them for a different price, being higher or lower than the retail price, to make their own money. That's the bad part.[/quote]
What? It's illegal whether you sell it or not. Selling dodgy DVDs is a thing of the past anyway.
[quote]Now, personally, I have not heard of many people getting busted for piracy. I know it has happened, but I just haven't heard of it too much.
When someone buys a copy of Black Ops 2 from Best Buy, a portion of the sales go to Best Buy (because they are the people making it possible for Treyarch and Activision to make money), and the rest goes to Treyarch and Activision for being the real creators of the game. By copying a game that you didn't create, and then going out and selling it, you taking the entire profit, is piracy. The company is not getting it's money for rightfully making the game, so you are technically stealing.
Downloading a game from TPB to try specifically for your own use is just fine. The company doesn't make any money, and neither do you. So what's the problem?[/quote]
You've taken something for free that wasn't supposed to be available for free.
[quote]I am literally 100% sick of people telling me that downloading games is illegal.[/QUOTE]
But it is and you've came into a debate thread so people are probably going to tell you it is. It's the law, whether you like it or not.
[QUOTE=halflife_123;40911627]What? It's illegal whether you sell it or not. Selling dodgy DVDs is a thing of the past anyway.
You've taken something for free that wasn't supposed to be available for free.
But it is and you've came into a debate thread so people are probably going to tell you it is. It's the law, whether you like it or not.[/QUOTE]
Which is why I state my opinions, and I am open to criticism.
[QUOTE=Squerl101;40911691]Which is why I state my opinions, and I am open to criticism.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to babble about the morals of piracy but I would at least say that the 'opinions' you gave are factually incorrect. It doesn't matter if you're selling movies/games etc or not, it's still illegal to download them in the first place if it's not from a legal provider of such services.
[QUOTE=Squerl101;40910578]Downloading a game from TPB to try specifically for your own use is just fine. [b]The company doesn't make any money[/b], and neither do you. So what's the problem?[/QUOTE]
I have highlighted the problem. The whole point of the gaming industry is that the developers actually receive money in exchange for the gaming experience they produce.
[QUOTE=Squerl101;40910578]I am literally 100% sick of people telling me that downloading games is illegal.[/QUOTE]
Because it is (at least - downloading games you haven't paid for is).
[QUOTE=David29;40916501]
Because it is (at least - downloading games you haven't paid for is).[/QUOTE]
Not where I live it isn't ( or any other software for that matter) only the Uploader can be punished by law.
Also I'd like to raise a topic for discussion.
If say someone/group of people modifies the content of a game, by removing things like DRM, or annoyances in the game's code.
Could it technically be considered their product, although the game company did all the heavy lifting, it still technically is, the hacker's version of the final product.
[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;40916835]Not where I live it isn't ( or any other software for that matter) only the Uploader can be punished by law.[/QUOTE]
But it is where Squerl101 lives - so isn't that kind of beside the point?
[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;40916835]Also I'd like to raise a topic for discussion.
If say someone/group of people modifies the content of a game, by removing things like DRM, or annoyances in the game's code.
Could it technically be considered their product, although the game company did all the heavy lifting, it still technically is, the hacker's version of the final product.[/QUOTE]
Can I take 'Hamlet', change one word and say I wrote it? Answer that and you have the answer to your own question.
I pirate single player games, and buy games that I want to play multiplayer on.
[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;40916835]If say someone/group of people modifies the content of a game, by removing things like DRM, or annoyances in the game's code.
Could it technically be considered their product, although the game company did all the heavy lifting, it still technically is, the hacker's version of the final product.[/QUOTE]
No, that's plagiarism (or at least very similar to it). And although we can debate on the ethics of piracy (point of this thread of course), I think we can all agree that without a doubt that plagiarism is unethical. It can also lead to very serious penalties on the grounds of copyright infringement.
I'm just going to add my point of view here:
I usually pirate because of 2 reasons:
- If the game did not interest me enought to incite me to pay for it. What goes on in my mind is usually something like "yes this sound like it can be fun/an interesting concept, but that's not something I'd be ready to spend 60 euros on".
It usually is stuff like the big productions: for exemple I like doing the solo campaign of Call of duty, but I'd never pay 60/70 euro for it. I have no interest in the multiplayer, so I see no reason to buy a product where I won't be using most of the content. If they were selling a version with the solo campaign only, for like 10-15 euros, I would probably buy it (because I consider it to be like a movie, you don't get involved and just watch a storie).
It also includes games that I'm not that interested in, but that still managed to catch my attention. An exemple would be the assassin's creed last games. I pirated the first, found it entertaining so I bought the second one when it was on sale. I never finished it, that's why I decided not to buy the next episodes unless big changes were made. I pirated the 3rd one and I'm glad I didn't buy it considering I didn't even play it more than 2 hours.
Smaller games that are usually cheaper usually end up bought because spending less than 15 euro is a lot easier than gambling 60-70 on a single game than can disapoint you.
I don't consider that pirating these games costed the developper a sale, because I wouldn't have bought it anyway. And that's not an asumption, I know myself and I know how I decide to spend my money.
- If I didn't like the developer's selling practices. Day one DLCs, pre-order bonuses are usually a big no-no for me. I'll just compare bioshock infinite to Metro Last light.
I pre-ordered Bioshock Infinite because I liked both previous games. The season pass made me hesitate but not enought to change my mind.
I almost bought Metro Last light 3 times because I liked the first game and friends were telling me it was great, every time I went to the store page to buy it I saw the ranger DLC that was cut out from the game to encourage preoders, and every time it made me change my mind. I ended up pirating it, I actually enjoyed the story and I will surelly buy it when I see it on sale and think about playing it again. But I won't pay 60 euros for it now that I've finished it, so yes me pirating the game costed them a sale. But without that middle finger that is cutting content to encourage pre-sales, I would have bought it full price.
I do piracy because:
1)I don't want to pay for something that I'd not like to play after one hour of gameplay.
2)It's really hard to get a copy here.
It's a use for piracy that makes sense, yeah. A lot of games don't have demos to try out, so people finding a way to test these products is understandable.
As for my personal stance on piracy, I can't say much against it considering I'm guilty of it myself. I pirate games because I never have any money to buy them with, have no job, have no relatives willing to buy crap for me, and have no opportunity to get a job as much as I'd like to due to life circumstances that'd take far too long to explain. Basically speaking, my life is a boring routine of sitting in one spot and I can't get a job or any money outside of holidays, so I resort to piracy to get something that makes me forget my life for a while that I can't afford otherwise. I feel like an assbag for not being able to pay, honestly, but it's either piracy or soul-crushing boredom in my case. In the rare event that I do get money, I'll gladly buy some games and switch away from piracy for as long as I can afford to, but eventually I have to go crawling back.
I'm not gonna take any sort of moral high road on this. I'm an asshat who can't afford things, yet needs entertainment and can't deal with boredom well.
I only ever use it to test if it runs ok on my PC, and if the gameplay actually interests me a bit (only the first 20-30 mins) then if I feel it deserves a purchase and feels like the developers actually put effort into it, I buy it.
I've done this with:
Bioshock Infinite
Gunpoint
Metro LL
Kerbal Space Program
Alan Wake
The S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series
I pirate games, software and stuff, I finish it / use it a lot, if I really liked it I buy it (unless it's overpriced)
[QUOTE=eirexe;41179284]I pirate games, software and stuff, I finish it / use it a lot, if I really liked it I buy it (unless it's overpriced)[/QUOTE]
I do the same. I would say that 90% of my games on steam are games I pirated at one time or another.
Really depends on the game honestly, I bought a physical copy of starcraft 2 because I loved the first game.
However indie games and well most games tend to have outrageous prices for what they offer and everyone would just rather get them for free.
To be honest, It only depends, I mean yeah, Pirating is bad for the developers, But of the said pirate its heaven.
I have seen people use Pirating for a try before you buy, yeah, alot do.
But the fact of the matter is if its a small company (Does facepunch count as a small company? If so i will use them) Their current game released to the public (Until Rust goes live/Open beta) Is Garry's Mod,
now if someone pirated it, They won't make money so they can upgrade the site and keep devolving more content for its generous consumers.
Point of the matter is its bad for the game developers, Good for the Pirates.
Pirating is good for things you have lost, I have purchased many games,music and software over the many years, some have been lost due to moving or upgrades to newer hardware and so on, So pirating these things should not be illigeal as we hava right copy our data, old games that are no longer supported and music and other software I have bought these things I will NOT go buy another copy of a music cd that i lost. and the same goes with games, example I lost my copy of dawn of war warhammer 40k i went and downloaded it as i still had my legit cd keys.
Lasty I do not want to hear the idiotic statement comparison of piracy being equal to theft, theft is lost of a physical object that cannot be duplicated, if i lost hat i wouldnt take another one as thats is actual theft where as piracy is copying of data there is no loss of anything as its not physical, it be the same as losing a printed copy of a picture and just reprinting it theres no loss of anything as the picture is digital and cannot be lost.
If I pirate something, it's to see if I like it, I can't get it anywhere else, or because I already have a copy of it any way.
Games I do this frequently with, due to the lack of demos these days and the price of games in general. I can't justify dropping $60+ on something I can't be sure I'll enjoy. If it'll make you feel better, pirating something is always the last course of action for me, after all other options have been tried.
I've posted here forever ago but here's something new I've thought up. I am referring to PC GAMES.
Piracy is never justified. If you can't buy the game, you are not allowed to play it. It's that simple.
If the publishers/developers did something business related that you don't agree with, you are not entitled to get the game for free. If it's really that big of a deal to you, you can BOYCOTT the game to show that you're not okay with what they're doing. Saying "grr I hate this" and playing and enjoying the fucking game anyways is dumb as hell and makes no sense.
The only time downloading and not paying for a game is justified is when there is LITERALLY no way to obtain it. In most cases, this isn't really a thing because of sites like GOG. Any game worth playing is already available digitally, or is dirt fucking cheap on amazon.
I think piracy is justified to circumvent detrimental DRM. Nobody, paying customers in particular should have to deal with that shit.
You pay for a product you agree to the terms in which you bought it on. Piracy is illegal, and is never justified in any circumstances. Game has DRM? Boo hoo. Go cry and play your PS4 (that being said, I hate the XBox One for the stupidity of Microsoft regarding its announcement) and be done with it. If you think pirating a game is better than paying for it, then don't buy any games with your Steam account. After all, free would be better than a ridiculously low price, no?
Though I love the hilarity of the games like Borderlands that make it funny when people pirate the game.
My thoughts exactly.[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;36723485]That can be done just as easily by checking out the pertinent thread in Games General, or looking on Youtube for reviews or perhaps the early parts of a Let's Play, or reading a customer review...
There's seriously many different ways (quicker then pirating too) to see if a game is any good then simply pirating the entire game and "promising" you'll stop playing once you determine if the game is good or not.
Pirating is pirating, no matter how many excuses you give to say otherwise.[/QUOTE]
the big issue i have with piracy is that people feel the need to jump through moral hula-hoops to justify them not wanting to pay for a product that costs money
i like money
piracy lets me keep my money
i like piracy
How I see the internet is that pretty much everything on the internet is free. Piracy is just a method of making things free on the internet.
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